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Tire Install with the Garbage Bag Trick

Post by Flivver » Sat Mar 25, 2023 5:35 pm

How I install a tire with NO TIRE LEVERS. No risk of scratching the paint on the wheels. https://youtu.be/LIaWMUB3FPk
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Re: Tire Install with the Garbage Bag Trick

Post by Allan » Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:06 pm

That is really clever. New tyres do make a difference. They are softer then, and heat will make them softer. I cannot believe how squeaky clean and dust free that woodworking shop is!!!!

If you don't want to bother, most newer tyre mounting machines will take 21" rims with ease. My fitter puts a little pad of electrical tape on the three holding fingers before he puts my rims on the machine. No contact with the rim. The rotating arm rolls on bead on, then he stuffs the tube in . The neat trick is the way the machine can be adjusted so that the mounting arm/roller sits an 1/8" above the second bead an d it too does not contact the rim. The whole deal takes a couple of minutes. No paint chips, no cursing, no bead damage, no sweat. He charges me $5 per wheel.

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Post by Flivver » Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:00 am

Great that you found a tire technician that takes care, Allen. Keep that guy!
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My fitter puts a little pad of electrical tape on the three holding fingers before he puts my rims on the machine. No contact with the rim.


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Post by Dave Young » Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:56 am

I use this same method on my T and Model A wire wheels. Only difference is I first bolt the wheel to the spare tire holder on the back of the car. Man, it’s SO easy it’s silly.

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Post by Flivver » Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:13 am

Great idea using the spare tire mount as a holder! I will try that. Thanks!
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I use this same method on my T and Model A wire wheels. Only difference is I first bolt the wheel to the spare tire holder on the back of the car. Man, it’s SO easy it’s silly.

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Post by Steve Jelf » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:11 pm

It's such a pleasure to see a how-to video that's well-produced. No bouncing hand-held camera, no inaudible dialogue mumbled off-mike, clear, well-lit shots that show what you need to see — very nice.
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Re: Tire Install with the Garbage Bag Trick

Post by RajoRacer » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:20 pm

When I attempted that procedure on clincher rims, it took me hours to get the bag remnants out from between the tire & rim ! Now I do it this way.
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Post by AndyClary » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:33 pm

I use a HarborFreight tire machine to hold the wire wheels and accessory wire wheels. I haven’t tried the bag. The drop center T and A wires are very easy so I don’t see any need for tricks. Clinchers can be a problem in cold weather.

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Re: Tire Install with the Garbage Bag Trick

Post by speedytinc » Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:28 pm

I dont see this trick as useful for clincher wheels. Different animal completely.
Clinchers have to be stretched. Drop centers have to be positioned in the drop.


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Re: Tire Install with the Garbage Bag Trick

Post by JohnM » Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:35 pm

Steven, I enjoy your videos. Your driving videos are well done. Good editing and sound quality, I can actually hear the car not just wind noise.

Your tips are excellent! If I may make a suggestion, at the point where it's time to push the beads on the wheel, I lay mine on a piece of cardboard on the floor. Stand kind of bowleged on the tire with your feet at 4 and 8 o'clock. Rock your weight from one foot to the other and work your way to 12 noon being careful not to pinch the tube between the bead and rim. This works well without the use of a trash bag, but I will try the bag next time.

Thanks, John

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Re: Tire Install with the Garbage Bag Trick

Post by Flivver » Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:07 pm

Thanks Steve.
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It's such a pleasure to see a how-to video that's well-produced — very nice.

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Re: Tire Install with the Garbage Bag Trick

Post by Flivver » Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:10 pm

Never thought to use feet - will try that. My arms get pretty tired from the 'CPR' method...Thanks John.
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Stand kind of bowleged on the tire with your feet at 4 and 8 o'clock. Rock your weight from one foot to the other and work your way to 12 noon being careful not to pinch the tube between the bead and rim.


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Re: Tire Install with the Garbage Bag Trick

Post by tdump » Mon Mar 27, 2023 12:09 am

I used the bag trick on a T tire after watching vids on the internet.Takes a while to pick the plastic out but it works
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Re: Tire Install with the Garbage Bag Trick

Post by TWrenn » Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:47 am

speedytinc wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:28 pm
I dont see this trick as useful for clincher wheels. Different animal completely.
Clinchers have to be stretched. Drop centers have to be positioned in the drop.
Agree. I tried it and it only worked barely half way around. Then the stretching issue won.
I took 'em to my local tire dealer that I always mention doing and the kid there has gotten so good, he barely leaves a mark.
Last set of 4 went on my red wire wheels on the Torpedo and not a scratch on one of 'em. For $20 a pop, it aint worth it for me to try em. For whatever reason, taking 'em off is a whoooole lot easier than puttin' em on!! :lol:

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Re: Tire Install with the Garbage Bag Trick

Post by Steve Jelf » Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:17 am

The first time I mounted new clinchers it was a half-hour-per-tire struggle. Since I bought some 24" irons and have had the experience of using them a few times, the job is much easier. In fact, when I mounted a couple of new clinchers last week I forgot to powder the second one and still had it on the rim in well under five minutes. Some practice with the right equipment has turned a frustrating ordeal into no big deal.
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