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So I did a video on assembling the transmission on the 27 engine (that I still have for sale). I stopped short of putting the pan on, lost my motivation and it got hot so I hit pause.

Last night I had that normal 2am "did I ____?" moment that some times in the past has brought me outside in my pajamas at 0F to see if there was anti-freeze in the car I was working on...

Anyway - not one person noticed my "Major F up" in this video!

https://youtu.be/S1khArmLN2Q

Tim, my attention span is too short to watch videos.

Allan from down under

I didn’t see the oil tube in place. That’s a major oh crap moment when you see it laying on the bench after the engine is together.

Erik Barrett wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:13 am

I didn’t see the oil tube in place. That’s a major oh crap moment when you see it laying on the bench after the engine is together.

Oops!

The oil tube is very important. But if you install an exterior tube, you might get by. The other thing I noticed is that you did not bend the cotter pins on the rod caps. They could come loose while driving.
Norm

I will look again but I think they are already bent... and no - it's not being assembled without the inside tube!

Norman Kling wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:04 pm

The oil tube is very important. But if you install an exterior tube, you might get by. The other thing I noticed is that you did not bend the cotter pins on the rod caps. They could come loose while driving.
Norm

Did you want a list of "f-ups" on your transmission assembly also?

Throw them up on youtube in the video comments if you want to. I'm not against constructive criticizm (please be kind).

speedytinc wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:30 am

Did you want a list of "f-ups" on your transmission assembly also?

I check the face of the transmission shaft, and the back of the crankshaft too, to make sure they are true.

Original Smith wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:02 am

I check the face of the transmission shaft, and the back of the crankshaft too, to make sure they are true.

The indicator test, after initial assembly of the trans center shaft & flywheel onto the crank, Must be done @ the top of the shaft(output plate bushing surface), just below the clutch hub surface & way low toward the flywheel. The results will tell you 1) aliment of the output plate part of the shaft & the drum part of the shaft.(sometimes worn off center from previous misalignment) 2)if the center shaft is in a bent condition.(out more @ the top than near the fly wheel) 3) if the misalignment is due to a miss drilling of the crank flange(surprisingly common){presents as out fairly evenly @ all 3 check points} 4) & the high spot(s) location to figure the direction of correction.
By resetting the flywheel/center shaft on the crank flange 180 degrees & re-indicating, you can get a better idea where the error lies in the 3 possibilities or combination of the 3 possibilities.
Cutting a little material off the OD of the center shaft (alone) will do NOTHING to change things. There are 2 pins that hold everything together tightly.
Its possible to enlarge alignment the pinhole to get movement in the desired direction. A small spot of weld in the right place can put pressure to get & keep the shaft in alignment
[these procedures cure the off hole pattern that you determined by seeing the out running @ all 3 check points on the center shaft]

If you had found a bent pattern(off @ the top, but not or less close to the fly wheel) Thats an out of square crank or center shaft flange.
A bent condition must be cured before fixing a missed hole pattern condition if both conditions are present.

It is critical that the center shaft is in a near perfect alignment or there are constant bending strains on the crank. With that, the 4th main must be perfectly centered.

Whats an except-able tolerance? I like a reading of .002 or less on the indicator (= out by .001")
Whats acceptable? If you built your transmission to spec. (.004-.005) bushing clearance. .004-.005. Any more than your bushing clearance is putting a strain on things every revolution.

Getting an acceptable alignment can take quite a bit of time.
Bolting a transmission on a motor rarely results in an acceptable alignment.

My audience is 18-30 year olds - I cut the camera for the 4 hours it took to align that. Just the basics for the generation with an attention span of 6 seconds.

TheSpeedsterProject wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:02 am

My audience is 18-30 year olds - I cut the camera for the 4 hours it took to align that. Just the basics for the generation with an attention span of 6 seconds.

Teaching any age of viewer how "not to" provides no service to the hobby. Maybe it sells more views?
Before you haphazardly attack a transmission(or any other T project), have a read of the service manual.
Thats a good starting point.

6 seconds ? that is like forever dude !

speedytinc wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:13 pm

TheSpeedsterProject wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:02 am

My audience is 18-30 year olds - I cut the camera for the 4 hours it took to align that. Just the basics for the generation with an attention span of 6 seconds.

Teaching any age of viewer how "not to" provides no service to the hobby. Maybe it sells more views?
Before you haphazardly attack a transmission(or any other T project), have a read of the service manual.
Thats a good starting point.

Dude - I'm 3rd generation T hobbiest/professional and I've been rebuilding these things for forty years. We'll call the oil tube fiasco a "senior moment".
You want to add your precision information to the comment section under the video - I'll pin it to the top, good stuff but it would bore my audience into another video.

Kaiser wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:38 pm

6 seconds ? that is like forever dude !

Not my words - the "video experts" - my stats show who's watching after the first 30 seconds - the drop off is insane on most of them. Three million channels and nothing is on.... click click click.

Aren't you the guy that started or ended some big drama production here some 10 years ago or so ?????????????? Didn't you have some "resoration" shop or business that went South ?????

TheSpeedsterProject wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:57 pm

Kaiser wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:38 pm

6 seconds ? that is like forever dude !

Not my words - the "video experts" - my stats show who's watching after the first 30 seconds - the drop off is insane on most of them. Three million channels and nothing is on.... click click click.

Well, I guess if you're in the business of entertainment, versus education, that's what you do.

If you simply seek *clicks*, then something exciting - videos like "mowing a lawn" is the ticket...tens, hundreds of thousands of views (go figure)

There are several good channels (and getting better with each video) but so far, probably the best Model T "how to" videos EVER are Model T Tips, and it takes them around 5 years to get 1,000 views, so for videos, the business model of showing Model T videos (with preview panes which don't even show up in the video) is suspect - and pimping for views here isn't going to bounce the numbers much

Scott_Conger wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:14 pm

If you simply seek *clicks*, then something exciting - videos like "mowing a lawn" is the ticket...tens, hundreds of thousands of views (go figure)

There are several good channels (and getting better with each video) but so far, probably the best Model T "how to" videos EVER are Model T Tips, and it takes them around 5 years to get 1,000 views, so for videos, the business model of showing Model T videos (with preview panes which don't even show up in the video) is suspect - and pimping for views here isn't going to bounce the numbers much

https://youtu.be/6l1_pIClA2Q <--- This video has gotten 290,865 views so far. It's a mystery as to why but I'll take it!
I plan on doing more give-aways soon (T-stuff).

It has suggested that a T engine will be ok without the oil tube. Well, not really. External oil supply lines generally dump oil aft of the timing gears. Without the original oil tube this is the result.

One of our new members just lost #1 rod. Has an outside mag oiler that tested to flow oil. #1 wrist pin seized. #1 piston was dry. During the tear down the inner funnel was discovered plugged. The outside oiler didnt save the motor. The moral of the story is dont count on that oiler. I think a Texas T type hi volume oiler would have moved enough oil to make the inner line unnecessary.

speedytinc wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:20 pm

One of our new members just lost #1 rod. Has an outside mag oiler that tested to flow oil. #1 wrist pin seized. #1 piston was dry. During the tear down the inner funnel was discovered plugged. The outside oiler didnt save the motor. The moral of the story is dont count on that oiler. I think a Texas T type hi volume oiler would have moved enough oil to make the inner line unnecessary.

Yup. I had a similar experience. In addition to the mag post oiler, I also had an accessory internal oil line. Still, I lost the front main bearing. The inside oil line funnel was clogged with a broken off tooth from a fiber timing gear that shredded several years prior.

Well it's definitely not getting assembled here without one! I dropped another video yesterday - messing with the 28 chevy setup (intake) and the steering slop in the Suzuki gearbox on the fordor. I think I finally got a carb that will run when the engine is cold!