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Model TT Aftermarket Body Questions/advice
Hello,
I'm new around here but just recently came into possession of an interesting truck body that may be of value and interest to this community.
I have been working on a Farm/work truck project resurrecting a 1960 Willys Jeep truck. It was a factory Cab Chassis which is how I found it in a Junkyard. I have been seeking some sort of body to affix to it and came across this old body from a farm in southwest Iowa.
As you can see it is a Ford body. Based on dimensions it is a Ford TT flatbed body, 8.3 feet long and a little over 6' wide. The long sills are about 32" apart and it has the "Food Truck" script embossed in the rear plate. By all the information I can find it is clearly a TT body dating no later than 1929.
I was, however, not having any luck IDing the body which did not seem to match up to any of the builders known to produce ford factory grain tanks.
After a lot of searching and google fu I was able to identify the body as having been built by the Badger Body Manufacturing company.
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I'm new around here but just recently came into possession of an interesting truck body that may be of value and interest to this community.
I have been working on a Farm/work truck project resurrecting a 1960 Willys Jeep truck. It was a factory Cab Chassis which is how I found it in a Junkyard. I have been seeking some sort of body to affix to it and came across this old body from a farm in southwest Iowa.
As you can see it is a Ford body. Based on dimensions it is a Ford TT flatbed body, 8.3 feet long and a little over 6' wide. The long sills are about 32" apart and it has the "Food Truck" script embossed in the rear plate. By all the information I can find it is clearly a TT body dating no later than 1929.
I was, however, not having any luck IDing the body which did not seem to match up to any of the builders known to produce ford factory grain tanks.
After a lot of searching and google fu I was able to identify the body as having been built by the Badger Body Manufacturing company.
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The Badger body Mfg company was(and still is) based in Omaha, NE and from what I can tell was an aftermarket up fitter of truck bodies.
The Decals found on the front corners of the body and the consistent build details seem to support this being a commercially produced body and from what I can see a well made one at at that. There is still clear evidence of the black paint that had been applied to the wood. a lot of attention was paid to durability with cast iron backing plates for the removable carriage bolts and the well shaped and laid out woodwork. The iron endplates and metal mating pieces are also signs of good attention to detail.
I have so far simply washed the decades of dust off of it using a flush of cold water.
my questions lie in what I should do with this body.
1) is this an important piece, IE should I be seeking a home for it where it can be properly preserved and appreciated.
2) doe it have any intrinsic value beyond the curiosity of it
3) if its not particularly valuable what steps should I be taking to preserve it(varnish over as it is, leave it be etc.
4) Would replacing missing hardware with like replacements diminish its value
5) is the Upper body itself of greater value than the flatbed or vice-versa
6) is there anything else I should consider doing with it, measured drawings, photo survey etc.
7) does this have value to someone in this community? ie should I sell it to someone who can properly appreciate and show it.(should I sell, make me an offer)
8) anything I forgot to ask?
what would you do if you had found this gem?
The Decals found on the front corners of the body and the consistent build details seem to support this being a commercially produced body and from what I can see a well made one at at that. There is still clear evidence of the black paint that had been applied to the wood. a lot of attention was paid to durability with cast iron backing plates for the removable carriage bolts and the well shaped and laid out woodwork. The iron endplates and metal mating pieces are also signs of good attention to detail.
I have so far simply washed the decades of dust off of it using a flush of cold water.
my questions lie in what I should do with this body.
1) is this an important piece, IE should I be seeking a home for it where it can be properly preserved and appreciated.
2) doe it have any intrinsic value beyond the curiosity of it
3) if its not particularly valuable what steps should I be taking to preserve it(varnish over as it is, leave it be etc.
4) Would replacing missing hardware with like replacements diminish its value
5) is the Upper body itself of greater value than the flatbed or vice-versa
6) is there anything else I should consider doing with it, measured drawings, photo survey etc.
7) does this have value to someone in this community? ie should I sell it to someone who can properly appreciate and show it.(should I sell, make me an offer)
8) anything I forgot to ask?
what would you do if you had found this gem?
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washed out top tier removed
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Hello Jason,
I will begin with some info. TT truck production ended in 1927. From then on it was AA trucks. It appears that you have a TT or AA Stake bed with wood floor. The grain bed MAY or may not have been original to the truck. The upper "box" is a Grain bed addition which appears to be a conversion from Badger. I say this based on a farmer may have purchased the truck as a flat bed, stake panel bed, or specifically to have Badger build a grain bed for it. Being able to multi task would have been a big benefit for a farmer.
Value, the same as Beauty, is in the eye of the Beholder. To you, or me, it has great value as a grain bed. To others, the stake bed is the valuable part and the upper is just trash. As to the price, as with all old things, it's worth whatever someone will pay for it. You should look up Dallas Landers on this forum and look at the bed he MADE/restored for his TT, absolutely outstanding. The only 8 in 1 operational I have seen, and worth a mint. I believe the bed to be later as you spoke, which the steel bed indicates. Mine is a 1920 with the entire bed being made of wood, upper and lower. I believe yours to be later than 1925 as I have seen a 1925 stake bed with wood stake panels, exactly like yours. I do not know exactly what year Ford began the stamped steel stake bed option.
What to do with your bed. It appears to be in great shape overall. My grain bed is a hand crank dump type but I have seen non-dump grain beds as well. You could complete the hardware, replace damaged/rotted wood, and mount it on your truck. I believe it would work well on a TT or an AA. I am not sure how well it would work on the truck you pictured it on. Frame strength and weight distribution being of prime concerns. IF it is just for display, I think it would be fine. BUT, if you plan on actually loading it with anything, it might be a problem. As you replace hardware, you might look for one or two chains that run from side to side, at or near the top of the sideboards to hold the boards together so the weight of the grain did not push outward and break the uprights. I'm sure you will be able to find photos of the inside of grain beds on line.
Thanks for posting photos. Got me all excited.
Good Luck,
Terry
I will begin with some info. TT truck production ended in 1927. From then on it was AA trucks. It appears that you have a TT or AA Stake bed with wood floor. The grain bed MAY or may not have been original to the truck. The upper "box" is a Grain bed addition which appears to be a conversion from Badger. I say this based on a farmer may have purchased the truck as a flat bed, stake panel bed, or specifically to have Badger build a grain bed for it. Being able to multi task would have been a big benefit for a farmer.
Value, the same as Beauty, is in the eye of the Beholder. To you, or me, it has great value as a grain bed. To others, the stake bed is the valuable part and the upper is just trash. As to the price, as with all old things, it's worth whatever someone will pay for it. You should look up Dallas Landers on this forum and look at the bed he MADE/restored for his TT, absolutely outstanding. The only 8 in 1 operational I have seen, and worth a mint. I believe the bed to be later as you spoke, which the steel bed indicates. Mine is a 1920 with the entire bed being made of wood, upper and lower. I believe yours to be later than 1925 as I have seen a 1925 stake bed with wood stake panels, exactly like yours. I do not know exactly what year Ford began the stamped steel stake bed option.
What to do with your bed. It appears to be in great shape overall. My grain bed is a hand crank dump type but I have seen non-dump grain beds as well. You could complete the hardware, replace damaged/rotted wood, and mount it on your truck. I believe it would work well on a TT or an AA. I am not sure how well it would work on the truck you pictured it on. Frame strength and weight distribution being of prime concerns. IF it is just for display, I think it would be fine. BUT, if you plan on actually loading it with anything, it might be a problem. As you replace hardware, you might look for one or two chains that run from side to side, at or near the top of the sideboards to hold the boards together so the weight of the grain did not push outward and break the uprights. I'm sure you will be able to find photos of the inside of grain beds on line.
Thanks for posting photos. Got me all excited.
Good Luck,
Terry
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Re: Model TT Aftermarket Body Questions/advice
Jason, you have probably seen these photos of the inside of that Badger building. But I attached them for others to see too.
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Here is another Badger photo.
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Terry,
Thanks for the reply, I looked at all kinds of references on these flatbeds and the Embossed "ford Truck" logo combined with the 32" spacing seems to indicate its for a TT. The later AA bodies looked very similar but they all had a Sill spacing of 42ish inches from what I could find.
As to future use, the truck Im working on is mostly meant to be a funky old truck for tooling around picking up or delivering projects, transporting lumber or gardening supplies etc. I do not expect it to see any real heavy loading. Its kind of a rat rod farm truck with all the patina and parts that conceivably
might have been available in its time. I could certainly see an old bed getting shuffled onto a new chassis every couple of decades.
Condition wise the entire things is in sckingly good condition. there is surface rust for sure but no rotted holes in the floor and the uppers are near perfect except for some cracks in the rear door panels. as you mentioned cross chain wise, in some of the pictures you can see that when I got it an additional tier had been added on top. the skewer(for lack of a better description) across the front boards matches the others on the lower tiers and there was an additional full length board for the top tier at the back. so I suspect that was the original configuration for the body.
there are some dents but really no perforating rust anywhere.
thanks again for the input.
Jason
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Yes I had come across those pictures. Im in south dakota and not more than a couple of hours from Badger and at some point will be reaching out to them to see if they might have some information from their past.
As you say, the body is not ideally fitted to the jeep. I have been debating different paths for the bed. one possible would be to reproduce this body at a slightly shorter scale to preserve this piece or perhaps sell on to someone to complete their project.
Thanks for the reply, I looked at all kinds of references on these flatbeds and the Embossed "ford Truck" logo combined with the 32" spacing seems to indicate its for a TT. The later AA bodies looked very similar but they all had a Sill spacing of 42ish inches from what I could find.
As to future use, the truck Im working on is mostly meant to be a funky old truck for tooling around picking up or delivering projects, transporting lumber or gardening supplies etc. I do not expect it to see any real heavy loading. Its kind of a rat rod farm truck with all the patina and parts that conceivably
might have been available in its time. I could certainly see an old bed getting shuffled onto a new chassis every couple of decades.
Condition wise the entire things is in sckingly good condition. there is surface rust for sure but no rotted holes in the floor and the uppers are near perfect except for some cracks in the rear door panels. as you mentioned cross chain wise, in some of the pictures you can see that when I got it an additional tier had been added on top. the skewer(for lack of a better description) across the front boards matches the others on the lower tiers and there was an additional full length board for the top tier at the back. so I suspect that was the original configuration for the body.
there are some dents but really no perforating rust anywhere.
thanks again for the input.
Jason
Edit,
Yes I had come across those pictures. Im in south dakota and not more than a couple of hours from Badger and at some point will be reaching out to them to see if they might have some information from their past.
As you say, the body is not ideally fitted to the jeep. I have been debating different paths for the bed. one possible would be to reproduce this body at a slightly shorter scale to preserve this piece or perhaps sell on to someone to complete their project.
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That looks like a Model A or B piston & rod.
Is that an old jukebox laying in the bed?
Is that an old jukebox laying in the bed?
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Jason, One viable option is to take OFF the grain bed. Then you would have a flat bed. It would be pretty easy to slap some lumber together for stake panels. Then you would have all sorts of options: flat bed, stake sides, 1 board level box, 2 board level box, 3 board level box, or full grain bed box.
IF, and I say IF, you can find any type of serial number, Badger MIGHT be able to give you info about the original order and customer. NOT necessary but sure is nice if you're as curious as I am. It all might depend on if Badger supplied the ENTIRE bed or just the grain box on the Ford supplied mounted TT bed. You might ask Badger IF they serialized their work and IF they did, where did they commonly put the serial number?
If you take care of the bed and box, I am sure you could find a TT guy to purchase it when you are through playing with it. Love those Big Boy Toys!
The "skewer" or cross tie bar, were often hand made by a blacksmith. I'm sure you could find a blacksmith close to you that could make copies. Most of the hardware on my bed looked to be hand made, but, then again, there was the distinct appearance the whole bed was hand made or at least NOT a product of a true carriage company in 1919-1920. If mine had not been left out in the weather for the 95 years before I bought it, it might have been in better shape. IF I remember correctly, I had 2 cross tie bars in the front and 2 in the rear. Terry
IF, and I say IF, you can find any type of serial number, Badger MIGHT be able to give you info about the original order and customer. NOT necessary but sure is nice if you're as curious as I am. It all might depend on if Badger supplied the ENTIRE bed or just the grain box on the Ford supplied mounted TT bed. You might ask Badger IF they serialized their work and IF they did, where did they commonly put the serial number?
If you take care of the bed and box, I am sure you could find a TT guy to purchase it when you are through playing with it. Love those Big Boy Toys!
The "skewer" or cross tie bar, were often hand made by a blacksmith. I'm sure you could find a blacksmith close to you that could make copies. Most of the hardware on my bed looked to be hand made, but, then again, there was the distinct appearance the whole bed was hand made or at least NOT a product of a true carriage company in 1919-1920. If mine had not been left out in the weather for the 95 years before I bought it, it might have been in better shape. IF I remember correctly, I had 2 cross tie bars in the front and 2 in the rear. Terry
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Did Badger make the “Snow Tractor “ ? I see one in the showroom pictures. Dan
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Dan, the sign in the back of this image says "Snow Motor" at the top and "Authorized Distributors" at the bottom.
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That body and the tag are most delightful to see.
Thanks so much for posting the pictures.
Rich
Thanks so much for posting the pictures.
Rich
When did I do that?
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Armstead Snow Motor. There's a promotional video on YouTube showing one in action. Towards the end of the film, it also shows the attachment installed on a Chevrolet Superior Touring Car.
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If I found a truck body like that, the hunt would be on for a TT chassis in similar condition. There are likely to be more of those than bodies in this well preserved form.
Allan from down under.
Allan from down under.