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Babbitt Material

Post by keen25 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:58 pm

Where is the best place to buy Babbitt material? Who has the formula that is the best grade or one that is the same composition as the Ford model T? Thank you. Erick


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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by Erik Barrett » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:57 pm

I buy government grade #2 from United Metals. They publish their formulae online and it is what Ford used for model T’s.


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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by Kerry » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:15 pm

If your only doing 1 engine then buy the babbitt from the T vendors. I don't know about your area but down my way if you want babbitt from a metal merchant supplier you can only buy in bulk, which is fine if doing several engines.


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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by Kohnke Rebabbitting » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:21 pm

Erik Barrett wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:57 pm
I buy government grade #2 from United Metals. They publish their formulae online and it is what Ford used for model T’s.
Not the same as Fords, Erik.

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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by Dan Hatch » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:15 pm

Here a place that makes Ford babbitt. http://stores.acrosales.com/fordbabbitt/
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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by modernbeat » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:04 am

While there is debate about what is the "best" Babbitt, there are a number of similar materials to what Ford specified.

You can buy smaller quantities here:

https://www.kappalloy.com/babbitt-alloy ... urakapp-2/

https://www.kappalloy.com/kappatinningt ... -1-lb-jar/
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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by Erik Barrett » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:24 am

Herm, please elaborate. I’d like to learn more.


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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by Kohnke Rebabbitting » Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:46 pm

Erik Barrett wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:24 am
Herm, please elaborate. I’d like to learn more.
I will try to do it tonight, Mr. Erik, I am pouring in a 1903 Olds, today.

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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by Dropacent » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:11 pm

Here it is !
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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by Kerry » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:24 pm

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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by Kohnke Rebabbitting » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:47 pm

Just because babbitt has Ford in the babbitt, does not mean it came from the Ford Factory, it may be 86-7-7, but it didn't come from Ford.


The babbitt in the Ford Garages, that we got with Wilson tools, that was Ford Babbitt, all had Ford Imprinted in the bar, and written out, Just like the Model T, and A, signs.

We have had a lot of Babbitt that was Printed Ford in it, but was lead Babbitt. Henrys, Gyp parts.

Most all Bearing Manufacturers, used Grade No. 11, specified by car builders.

We use Grade No. 11, and also a lot of Grade No. 2.

We don't use much of 86-7-7, Ford formula, as it machines dirty.

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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by John E. Guitar » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:28 pm

Just in case anyone in Australia stumbles across this thread, I use Consolidated Alloys "Auto" white metal.

http://www.cagroup.com.au/wp-content/up ... s-2017.pdf

http://www.cagroup.com.au

You can buy it direct from them or order it through a reseller like Blackwoods or Bunnings Trade.


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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by Dropacent » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:34 pm

BUT IT SAYS “GENUINE “. Thought I’d go fishing with that pic and I caught a big one !


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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by Erik Barrett » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:19 am

Herm, thanks for the input. I will stick with grade 2. My book on rebuilding model A’s claims that Ford went to a cheaper lead base babbit because they thought the more robust, larger crankshaft did not require the more expensive grade. Maybe that is why the Ford name is on some lower grade babbit ingots? Just a thought. Is your Oldsmobile project a curved dash one cylinder? Always an admirer of your work and formidable experience. The oldest thing I have done bearing work on is a 1904 B Ford.

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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by BuddyTheRoadster » Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:09 am

Herm, how do you chose when you use Grade No. 11 and when you use Grade No. 2 Babbitt?


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Re: Babbitt Material

Post by Kohnke Rebabbitting » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:49 pm

Erik Barrett wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:19 am
Herm, thanks for the input. I will stick with grade 2. My book on rebuilding model A’s claims that Ford went to a cheaper lead base babbit because they thought the more robust, larger crankshaft did not require the more expensive grade. Maybe that is why the Ford name is on some lower grade babbit ingots? Just a thought. Is your Oldsmobile project a curved dash one cylinder? Always an admirer of your work and formidable experience. The oldest thing I have done bearing work on is a 1904 B Ford.
Grade 2 is fine, we use it some times. Buddy, it all depends on price, and availability.

Yes, that was in, I think early V-8's. The Early Ford V-8 Forum would know.

Yes, Ford tried Lead, a Copper Lead, it didn't work out, so they went to a Cadmium Sliver alloy.

The V-8 Ford Ron Bearings were never repoured, as they wear on out side, and in.

The olds is a Curved Dash, 1903. we have don a Shott " SP " A Yale, and I can't think of the other.

Herm.

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