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Hand Crank Mod

Post by Thorlick » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:36 am

Rusty is ready and waiting for his engine so I am preparing to assemble and install same.
Rusty's engine ready to be assembled
Rusty's engine ready to be assembled
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I once read of someone doing a hand crank mod and thought that might be fun someday. Well, today is the day and although he is getting his original engine back, he is also getting this radical modification. I will outline it here in case others want to do this or something similar.

After replacing the pan's worn out front bushing with a new steel bushing courtesy of Erik Barrett (who did all the engine machine work) I drilled a starting hole in the front.
Small hole near edge of bushing.  Follow this with larger hole which breaks out the back of the bush, and file edges.
Small hole near edge of bushing. Follow this with larger hole which breaks out the back of the bush, and file edges.
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... and enlarged the hole whilst also drilling and tapping the crank handle to 1/4-28.
Bushing notched and hole in crank threaded with bolt in place
Bushing notched and hole in crank threaded with bolt in place
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Here is the completed modification.
Bolt inserted proud on side opposite the hand crank handle
Bolt inserted proud on side opposite the hand crank handle
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Here is what it looks like with the crank being held in the erect position.
spring holds bolt in the notch
spring holds bolt in the notch
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(to be continued TH)
Terry Horlick, Penn Valley, (Northern) CA
1927 Mountain Patrol Vehicle from the Los Angeles City Fire Department (L.A.F.D.)
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Re: Hand Crank Mod

Post by Thorlick » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:46 am

Here you see a close-up of the complete modification. My bolt was a broken 1/4" AN bolt from my junk pile. After threading the bolt and running it in so it is flush at the top side of the crank the bolt head will rest just above the outer surface of the bushing I need to grind about 1/8" off of this bolt to lower the head. Since this bolt is already drilled I will be putting a safety wire in there.
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The crank in the erect position.
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You can let the crank dangle like it normally does.
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Or by pushing the handle inward you can crank your car normally.
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Now you can see what I am doing. The N, R and S cars would leave their crank in an erect position, but the T saves on not drilling a notch and not inserting a bolt. The poor little T has it's crank hanging low, where it can ram into piles of snow or mud or just look flaccid. I want to see what Rusty would look like on Viagra!
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Respectfully submitted, TH
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Re: Hand Crank Mod

Post by doodlebugt » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:38 am

Hi Terry,
It was "Fast Frank" with the proud crank.
I've often thought about it.
Bruce (still drooping)
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Re: Hand Crank Mod

Post by Steve Jelf » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:22 am

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Frank in crank-up mode.

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Seamus has this upright-crank accessory on his 1914.
The inevitable often happens.
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Re: Hand Crank Mod

Post by Thorlick » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:04 pm

Steve,

Does Seamus have the driving light on the front axle in case he runs out of carbide?

We have a stretch of state highway between Grass Valley and Auburn which is posted "Daylight Safety Section". Theoretically you must run headlights or risk being cited unless you are female with suggestive clothing. When I had "Toady" (my 1913 Mountain Wagon model T) I used to flaunt this law whenever driving that road because I didn't want to have to clean up the carbide mess for just 28 miles of driving.

I also am "very concerned" about a recent law which mandates you illuminate headlights whenever you "turn your wipers on". Since I use my intermittent mode on Rusty when it is raining (reach up and wipe the wiper across the windshield when needed) I don't turn the lights on each time I wipe the wiper. If I turn the lights on in the daytime I would soon have a dead battery (as a sexigenarian... cool sounding attribute I can use for four more years... it is mandated that I forget to turn the lights off). I feel exempt from this law since I don't ever "turn my wipers on" when I use them (possibly they require a younger more attractive driver to be "turned on").

Ok, back to treating the model T hand crank affected with E.D.

TH
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Re: Hand Crank Mod

Post by Thorlick » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:15 pm

Steve, Seamus accessory is a bit hard to see. it is interesting indeed!
Seamus accesory crank holder.
Seamus accesory crank holder.
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TH
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Re: Hand Crank Mod

Post by mcenhillk » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:20 pm

I just happened to stumble across this accessory on Lang's this morning.

https://www.modeltford.com/item/3664CH.aspx

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Re: Hand Crank Mod

Post by RajoRacer » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:32 pm

Here's a later model stamped steel "OAKES" Krank-Loc on our '14 - I believe the early ones were cast.
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Re: Hand Crank Mod

Post by Loftfield » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:10 am

Thanks to Mr. Horlick for explaining the finer points of hand crank positioning. I now know why so many Model T's have that kinky leather jock strap, and the bells (balls?) suspended from the front axle on those cars that are more anatomically complete and correct.

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Re: Hand Crank Mod

Post by Thorlick » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:49 pm

Thomas, thanks. I used to hang an old model T magneto magnet below my differential with a bit of bailing wire. It was amazing how many folks accepted my explanation that it was to catch parts which had fallen off!

I took it off when I discovered that it slowed Rusty down whenever we crossed railroad tracks.

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Re: Hand Crank Mod

Post by TonyB » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:59 pm

I have one on my 1909, I had never seen one previously so I thought it was special. Now I see they are being reproduced, in brass no less, mine is cast iron.
All my other Ts have a cup and leather strap 😊
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