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Timer felt installation

Post by Art Ebeling » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:21 am

I have had two knowledgeable guys try to explain the order of assembly of the timer felt seal and timer on my 11 Touring but I just don’t get it. One said the felt seal goes behind the timer between the timer and timing gear cover, the other said the felt goes inside the timer body between the timer and roller. This timer came with my car, I bought the felt and shield from a supplier. The felt seems too thick and the hole in it too small. The shield hole also is too small. With either of them installed they push the roller out beyond the hole for the pin. Can someone clarify the assembly or post some pictures? Thanks, Art
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Re: Timer felt installation

Post by Art Ebeling » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:27 am

Here is a picture of where the hole is without the shield or felt. Art
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Re: Timer felt installation

Post by Scott_Conger » Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:09 am

You have the wrong felt seal and shield. Those are for the later timer

See Royce's last post on this for what you should have: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/41 ... 1412247257
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Re: Timer felt installation

Post by Mark Gregush » Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:23 am

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/82 ... 1519055307
If you google; "mtfca; 1911 timing cover" there is a lot of info. I did a quick scan reading and the cover you have may be a repo. Do you have an early parts book that covers the year in question? (as in pre 1915) They are pretty good in covering the cars for the years it would cover and would be a good source of info.
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Re: Timer felt installation

Post by Walter Higgins » Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:22 pm

If you don't already have it, you should obtain for yourself a copy of the McCalley Comprehensive Encyclopedia CD that has all the parts and drawing lists. The correct felt is called out as:

T-474 3213 1909-12 1909-11 1909-11 Commutator oil seal. 2" o.d., 1-1/4" i.d., 3/16" thick felt

If you look at those dimensions, you'll see that it fits right inside the counterbore of your front cover with just enough thickness for compression.


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Re: Timer felt installation

Post by Art Ebeling » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:25 pm

Thanks for the information. I will have plenty to do tomorrow. Art

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Re: Timer felt installation

Post by Walter Higgins » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:04 pm

How did this shake out?


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Re: Timer felt installation

Post by Art Ebeling » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:56 pm

I ended up slicing the felt in half and put the timer body on, then the felt, then the shield( made one out if thin brass) then the roller, pin retainer and thin locknut from Langs. It looks like the VowellArt drawing of the 11 two piece timer but with the shield after the felt. Art

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Re: Timer felt installation

Post by Walter Higgins » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:19 pm

That may be how that non-factory drawing was made but that's not how it was originally. Let us know how that works out for you in service.

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