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Kelsey split rims

Post by Acadia_john » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:42 pm

Need more information. Does anyone have pictures of the 1926 Kelsey split rim locking device on the rim that fits up inside the fellow? ( I may have included a photo thanks to the person who provided this photo ) I would also like to see photos of the pin that locked it together. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Kelsey split rims

Post by Mark Gregush » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:01 pm

Can't help with the pin but that shows me what might be missing from the 21" Canadian rim I have. (Pretty sure it's Canadian, has the holes for the rim spreader) Mine is maybe missing the loops the pin goes thru.
I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas! :shock:

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Re: Kelsey split rims

Post by Acadia_john » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:15 pm

Hi Mark, It is like the two halves of a small hinge. Each piece would normally be riveted to the rim but I am not sure how the halves lock It must have been a poor design as most that I have found are broken. Most Canadian cars seem to have had the Kelsey rims and as they failed they were replaced with Chev rims. I am hoping to have some locks reproduced when I get enough information. John


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Re: Kelsey split rims

Post by Scott C. » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:51 pm

Here are some pictures of one. One of the loupes broke off when I drove out the pin. The pin is 5/16" diameter x 1 1/8" long.

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Re: Kelsey split rims

Post by Acadia_john » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:28 pm

Hi Scot C. Thanks for the photos. That information is very helpful. I was wondering what type of fastener and what size was used in the wheel. I will put this information to good use. Happy motoring, John


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Re: Kelsey split rims

Post by Allan » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:41 pm

John, just be aware that if you need to replace the latch pieces, be sure to offset them as in the last few photos. The pin needs to be wholly on one side of the split. If you have the pin centred over the split, which seems intuitive, you will not be able to split the rim and mount tyres.

I have a number of these rims with varying degrees of damage to the latches. I have often wondered whether they could be replaced with a door hinge from a 26-7 T.

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Re: Kelsey split rims

Post by Acadia_john » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:02 pm

Hi Allan, We are planning to make new ones for my wheels. I tried a hinge but you would need the multiple barrels for stability. I plan to make these pieces so they will resemble the original only made stronger with better steel. John from Nova Scotia , Canada

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Re: Kelsey split rims

Post by Acadia_john » Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:34 pm

I take it that the pin that holds the two sides together is friction fit. I did not notice any fasteners on the pin. Does anyone know for sure?

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Re: Kelsey split rims

Post by FundyTides » Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:07 pm

These are exactly like the rims on my 27. There are no fasteners on the pin, they are just friction fit and never seem to move once in place.

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Re: Kelsey split rims

Post by Mark Gregush » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:27 pm

I would say slide fit and held in place by the two sides of the fellow.
I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas! :shock:

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Re: Kelsey split rims

Post by Scott C. » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:32 pm

Yes, just a slip fit and once mounted the steel fellow prevents them from coming out. That and probably the pressure from 32 PSI of air pressure in the tubes.

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Re: Kelsey split rims

Post by Acadia_john » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:25 pm

Thanks. The more information I get the easier it will be to make new ones.

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