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1911 Touring Top help required

Post by Quickm007 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:55 am

Hi,


I finished my 1911 Touring restauration but I do not have the Top when I bought the car. I'm ready to go ahead with the top but I would like to know what is the dimension? I found that dimension bellow on MTFCA forum. I have the bows and I bought the top wood Bows laminated at Lang's but I would like to know how deep I shape the end of these bows to fit in the metal bows?

Any suggestion place for the top ? I heard classtique Upholstery do great job. I'm leaving in East part of the country near to the border and close to Plattsberg City in New York State.

Thank you in advance for the help.
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Re: 1911 Touring Top help required

Post by Quickm007 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:57 am

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Re: 1911 Touring Top help required

Post by R.V.Anderson » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:19 am

I don't have the drawing of the 1911 top but I do have the 1914 touring car top drawing.

The front and rear bows are driven into the sockets 7" and the two center bows 5". In addition:

On the front bow assembly, when the top is up, there should be a 1" to 1-5/16" space between the inside of the wooden bow and the top of the windshield.

On the second bow assembly, the distance from the center of the "eye" to the underside of the wood bow is 30-3/4".

For the third bow, the same dimension is 32-1/4".

On the fourth bow, the distance measured vertically from the top edge of the body sheetmetal to the REARMOST TOP EDGE of the fourth wood bow (this bow has a wedge fastened on top, so the rear edge is a bit higher than the front edge of the bow) is 29-1/2".

Hope this helps. The 1911 top could well be different because of the different windshield but this is all I have.

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Re: 1911 Touring Top help required

Post by Quickm007 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:48 pm

Thank you RV,

It is a good start for sure.
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Re: 1911 Touring Top help required

Post by Art Ebeling » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:02 pm

Are you asking how to shape or carve the ends of the wooden bows to fit into the top irons? I would also like that information. Art


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Re: 1911 Touring Top help required

Post by Colin Mavins » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:16 pm

This is a ford drawing for 1912 , the amount of bow that you are going to insert into the socket depends on the height of the bow as per your drawing your mounting holes are not at body level , the drawing show the mount hole is level with the top of the body. You need an proper height of the bow before you fit the bow to the socket.
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you will see in the 12 pic it shows the mounting point higher than the body line I hope I am making sense . Cheers Colin


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Re: 1911 Touring Top help required

Post by Scott Rosenthal » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:26 am

Hello Mario:
Note RV's comment about the wedge that is required for #4 bow. I'm not sure whether this is a strictly aesthetic adder, or whether this is intended to reinforce this bow. Seems logical this end bow will see more stress and therefore tendency to sag if this supplemented support wood is not in place. I made this from the same 1 1/2" wide white oak as the bows. It is both glued and screwed to #4 bow, then dressed to blend at outside edges. I saw a hand sketch of this here on the Forum, but not sure I have seen it on any of the various Ford top drawings.
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Re: 1911 Touring Top help required

Post by ivaldes1 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:43 pm

Classtique is good. The Classtique videos are ok starting point but Royce Peterson's article tells a lot more on how to do it: https://modeltfordfix.com/installing-a- ... r-model-t/

Others said it is about a 3 Saturdays job and that was my experience. My 82 year old Mother said fabric glue isn't cheating for the padding stitching so I did and it seemed to work fine without having to stitch.

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Re: 1911 Touring Top help required

Post by Scott Rosenthal » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:56 pm

Hello Mario:
I recommend you create an elevation view layout of this, to keep on top of the dimensions of the parts you are using. When I researched this top for a 12 I did a couple of years ago, I found that all sockets and all bows, are not created equal. These length and radius variations were large enough, where I was concerned about hitting key dimensional requirements, such as the lower horizontal edge of the top, relative to the top of doors.

If not already aware, free CAD is readily available, and very easy to use. I use an AutoCAD clone called Draft Sight. Hope this helps.
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Re: 1911 Touring Top help required

Post by KWTownsend » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:50 pm

Mario-
I shaped the bows to fit into the sockets using a draw knife. It is a trial and error fitting process.
Here are some pictures of the wedge on the 4th bow when I did my top:
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I have some other notes I will e-mail to you.

-Keith

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Re: 1911 Touring Top help required

Post by ivaldes1 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:59 pm

Mario, Wishing you well with your project top. When you first get the kit from Classtique it is a bit overwhelming because all these bewildering pieces of cloth come out of the box. With a little time it begins to make sense. Re-read Royce's article and watch the Classtique videos several times and it will work out. After you've done it once it doesn't seem too difficult. -- IV

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Re: 1911 Touring Top help required

Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:04 am

Here is a recent discussion going from never done it before to finished: https://www.mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3803

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Re: 1911 Touring Top help required

Post by Quickm007 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:53 am

Hi Thank you all for the advice,





It will be a nice journey and a delicate work to do for sure… I will receive my top early April and will start working at that time but I will prepare myself before with this all reading and advices for sure.



It’s gonna be a nice car at the end and another T survival car on the road again…
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Re: 1911 Touring Top help required

Post by Colin Mavins » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:39 pm

When Dad did our top which he made from the original top he use the the red book Model t Ford restoration handbook .The top came out beautiful and is how 53 years old it may be worth the read cheers Colin
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