Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
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Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
I've done this before, but maybe I've slipped a cog. Seems like this thing doesn't want to budge. Am I forgetting something?
The inevitable often happens.
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
Some can just be a pain, even using a puller twice the size of yours, lucky I have many spare ones because sometimes the only way to get the sucker off is with heat, even slicing with a hot stick.
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
Screw the puller extra tight, add a big hammer blow to the end of the screw. Repeat as needed.
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
Got it.
"Give me something to stand on and a long enough lever, and I can move the earth."
"Give me something to stand on and a long enough lever, and I can move the earth."
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
I’d concur with Jack P suggestion.
When I was ‘young’ someone made the same suggestion to me. In for a nickle, in for a dime what did I know? They told me to go so tight it was just before the center wanted to cock...and then every time I walked by it rap it with a 3 pound maul. Same advice, do it as many times as necessary. I did it diligently and was fast becoming a non-believer.
While eating lunch the following weekend at a table just in the house with only the screen door between...there was a sound like someone threw a really big rock at the main garage door. I ran out, there was the 3 jaw laying lazy...mission accomplished!
When I was ‘young’ someone made the same suggestion to me. In for a nickle, in for a dime what did I know? They told me to go so tight it was just before the center wanted to cock...and then every time I walked by it rap it with a 3 pound maul. Same advice, do it as many times as necessary. I did it diligently and was fast becoming a non-believer.
While eating lunch the following weekend at a table just in the house with only the screen door between...there was a sound like someone threw a really big rock at the main garage door. I ran out, there was the 3 jaw laying lazy...mission accomplished!
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
They can be pretty stubborn at times. A Ford puller is best but. . .
Put pressure on it with your puller and heat the ROUND portion CAREFULLY and SLOWLY with a torch. Usually a very small amount of heat will allow the gear to pop loose, and from there its a steady pull to remove it.
Put pressure on it with your puller and heat the ROUND portion CAREFULLY and SLOWLY with a torch. Usually a very small amount of heat will allow the gear to pop loose, and from there its a steady pull to remove it.
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
I have a puller just like your big one. It used to be my "go to" persuader until I got my press.
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
My favourite tool is an hydraulic/grease filled puller.Their power is greater than a screw type, and it is applied in smaller, smoother increments. I have never found a gear which will not immediately succumb to its persuasion.
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
They can be a real bear...That one is worth having the right puller...
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
I have a ford driven gear puller. I put the puller on the gear and then clamp one of the arms tight in the vice. I had one gear so tight I had to hang on the end of my 3 foot long cheater pipe to get it to pop loose. They can be a bear to remove.
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
I use this homemade puller with great succes .
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
Stevens Speed-Up Tools also made a puller similar to Toons.
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
There is nothing better than a genuine Ford script driven gear puller. I see them frequently for sale on ebay from $25-$50. I was lucky when I got mine when the price was around $10. Been using it for over 55+ years. As mentioned above, a sharp blow with a hammer will usually break them loose.
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
Larry, could you post a picture of yours. Thanks Jim
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
Like Dan McEachern says. The last past one I removed was in beautiful condition, so I wanted to use it and not damage the gear in any way. I put a LOT of pressure on it with a good (fairly large!) gear puller, and it wasn't budging a bit! And I hit the puller with one of the largest ball-peen hammers I have, and it didn't budge. So I got the torch out. Left the puller under considerable pressure, began heating the gear carefully with the torch, careful to not put any heat on the drum it was stuck to, then hit it lightly with a medium hammer. The thing popped loose. I shut off the torch, cranked wildly with a big wrench on the puller, and the gear slid of easily. It wasn't even hot enough to to not pick it up in my fingers (It has been measured! I can pick up something that is 160 degrees Fahrenheit.) Nowhere near hot enough to hurt the gear. It actually gets hotter than that in a running engine. It often doesn't take much of a temperature differential to make a big difference. And usually, once these type gears break loose from where they have been for a very long time, they go the rest of the way with ease. ("Usually")
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
I'm not real fond of taking pictures, but the puller is shown in any Ford parts book on the tool page, and I believe it's also shown in the Ford Service book pulling a driven gear.
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I used the original tool and then sold it thinking I would never need it again. Fingers crossed.
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
Here's the thread where Mark O. shows the use of the OEM puller (the one he later sold).
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/70 ... 1487704581
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/70 ... 1487704581
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
The Ford puller is 4006, 1936X, 3Z-611, or 5Z-326 depending on when it was made.
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
Wow Anthonie, that is a nicely built puller. Steve I would definitely check the oil lines and all oil holes for debris. Good luck on everything.
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Re: Removing the #3317 driven gear: Am I doing it wrong?
Hard to beat this type of puller !!