Wanted: 1913 Touring Hardware
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Wanted: 1913 Touring Hardware
I purchased new leather straps that connect the top irons with T head pins when in the down position on a 1913 touring.
I would like to find 4 correct screws that attach the straps to the irons.
Does one of the vendors sell these screws or does someone happen to have extras to sell?
I would like to find 4 correct screws that attach the straps to the irons.
Does one of the vendors sell these screws or does someone happen to have extras to sell?
Gene Emering
Newton, New Jersey
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Re: Wanted: 1913 Touring Hardware
Gene, what you need to do is to punch a 1/8" hole in the leather that is 1/4" from the end of the strap, opposite the cotter key. Then, to be correct, use a #8 x 5/8" long round head brass screw and a #8 steel washer (NOT zinc plated!) to secure it to the socket. If you are using original sockets that are "loaded" with wood, use a wood screw. If your sockets are new, they are most likely "loaded" with pourable epoxy; in that case, you can use a machine screw. Either way, use a #8.
If your sockets are new and not already drilled for the key strap screws, let me know and I will give you the locations of the holes if you need that info.
If your sockets are new and not already drilled for the key strap screws, let me know and I will give you the locations of the holes if you need that info.
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Re: Wanted: 1913 Touring Hardware
Should have added that you can get the correct screws at any Home Desperate or any other hardware store.
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Re: Wanted: 1913 Touring Hardware
PS
Sockets are original and already drilled.
Thanks again!
Gene
Sockets are original and already drilled.
Thanks again!
Gene
Gene Emering
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Re: Wanted: 1913 Touring Hardware
FWIW - I purchased straps with T-cotters from RV for my '17 Touring. They are nickel plated which is correct for my car. I dug out the rotted original wood inserts and poured epoxy as recommended by RV and others. I then drilled and tapped the epoxy for #8 machine screws. I think the epoxy is a great idea as it lends much strength to old sockets, not to mention sealing them against rust. Anyone refurbishing sockets and bows should consider it.
1917 Touring
1946 Aeronca Champ
1952 Willys M38a1 Jeep (sold 2023)
1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor
1946 Aeronca Champ
1952 Willys M38a1 Jeep (sold 2023)
1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor
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Re: Wanted: 1913 Touring Hardware
Tim,
Thank you for the tip.
I do have one original screw that will not hold so the epoxy idea is a good one.
Gene
Thank you for the tip.
I do have one original screw that will not hold so the epoxy idea is a good one.
Gene
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Re: Wanted: 1913 Touring Hardware
Those leather straps are ridiculously and unnecessarily too long.
Cut them so they are just long enough with with little or no slack, keeping in mind the leather should project 1/4" past the screw hole as described by R.V. Anderson.
Cut them so they are just long enough with with little or no slack, keeping in mind the leather should project 1/4" past the screw hole as described by R.V. Anderson.
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Re: Wanted: 1913 Touring Hardware
The correct lengths of the "short" key straps used on Fords is 3-1/4" from the center of the key "eye" to the center of the punched hole for the mounting screw. These straps go on the front socket. On the "long" straps that go on the upright, the same distance is 5-1/2". It's hard to tell with certainty but from the photo it looks like both straps are the same length. If so then the straps on the front bow should be switched with a "short" pair. A touring should have a pair of each, long and short.
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Re: Wanted: 1913 Touring Hardware
Here is an original key strap.
Ignore the arrows - I used this photo in a prior thread a few years ago.
If I pushed the key all the way into the hole, the strap wouldn't sag as shown in the photo and it would lay flat against the socket. There isn't any slack to speak of, although the strap could have shrunk over the past 103 years.
I can't imagine the location of the screw hole was 100% precise on every single socket from car to car so some straps may have had more slack than others.
In any event, there was no reason that Ford would have wasted material and have those straps "flapping in the breeze" like shown in the second photo of the first post of this thread.
Ignore the arrows - I used this photo in a prior thread a few years ago.
If I pushed the key all the way into the hole, the strap wouldn't sag as shown in the photo and it would lay flat against the socket. There isn't any slack to speak of, although the strap could have shrunk over the past 103 years.
I can't imagine the location of the screw hole was 100% precise on every single socket from car to car so some straps may have had more slack than others.
In any event, there was no reason that Ford would have wasted material and have those straps "flapping in the breeze" like shown in the second photo of the first post of this thread.