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Hayes Wire Hubs

Post by olebmw » Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:15 pm

I need 2 rear Hayes Wire Hubs.


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Re: Hayes Wire Hubs

Post by Kevin Pharis » Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:47 pm

There are at least 3 non-interchangeable variations of Hayes wire wheels... please post pics or better describe what you need


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Re: Hayes Wire Hubs

Post by Allan » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:04 pm

The ones with which I am familiar often have flogged out keyways when you do find them. The brake drums have the spokes laced into them and these are not reproduced either. So, it is not uncommon to see Hayes front wheels adapted to Ford rear hubs. A speedster with yellow Hayes wheels was offered for sale recently with just such a set-up.

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Re: Hayes Wire Hubs

Post by olebmw » Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:17 pm

I have only seen one style of rear hub and two sizes of front hubs, there may be other rears I'm not aware of.
I've heard of using the large front hub and doing some machining to make a different tapered hub fit.
How is it done? Is the rear spoke flange used or machined down to fit a brake drum and the drum drilled for spokes?
Any instructions ,drawings or pictures would be appreciated. I may machine the centers and rivet the drums like the originals....
if I had some good measurements. Any help appreciated.


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Re: Hayes Wire Hubs

Post by Layden Butler » Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:45 pm

Hayes Wire Wheels for Model T Fords
Different rear hubs:
Demountable rim type wheels:
48 spoke with small brake drum ( 1919-1925)
36 spoke with large brake drum ( 1926-1927)
48 spoke with large brake drum ( 1926-1927)
Center demountable type ( pre 1919) (These are 3 pin drive from hub to wheel center)


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Re: Hayes Wire Hubs

Post by Layden Butler » Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:59 pm

Dan,
I believe the "large front hub" wheels you speak of were for Chevrolet. They are all 48 spoke.
Most conversions of Hayes fronts to become Model T rears is done by opening up the center of the front hub to slide over a stock Model T wood wheel rear hub which may have been turned down some. Then they are bolted together with the wood wheel 6 bolt pattern ( Hayes front hub gets drilled and threaded. No spoke work needed and can be taken apart later for possible spoke work. If they are welded together the back side spokes cannot be removed if need be.
Hope this helps.


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Re: Hayes Wire Hubs

Post by Allan » Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:28 pm

I babble a method to repair flogged out keywagys in the rear hubs, but the hub needs to be removed from the wheel to do it. Let me know if you require details.
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Re: Hayes Wire Hubs

Post by olebmw » Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:42 pm

Thanks for the information Allen and layden. I would like to read the keyway repair article, Allen


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Re: Hayes Wire Hubs

Post by tman12 » Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:58 pm

Hi From Iowa! I have a '23 Essex rear Houk hub with a bad keyway as well. I am wondering how it could be repaired? Thanks John


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Re: Hayes Wire Hubs

Post by Kevin Pharis » Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:32 pm

The simplest way to fix a wallowed out keyway would be to build a stepped key, and machine an oversize keyway slot in the hub. Problem is that a wallowed out key is a sign that the internal taper is worn. For every .001” of diametral wear/stretch in the tapered bore, there is .010” of linear movement. It’s not uncommon to find rear hubs that seat >.250” too deep on the axle, and no keyway repair will put these back into service


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Re: Hayes Wire Hubs

Post by Allan » Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:35 pm

"babble!" Where did that come from? I thought I had edited it out.
I have repaired three Hayes rear hubs which have had severely worn tapers and keyways. It involves boring out the centre of the hub, with a step half way. Then I machine a good standard model T wood wheel hub to suit, to the same pair of diameters but to a press fit. Once the machined section is pressed in, it is scotch keyed at both ends to lock it in place. I believe Scotch key has a different name in the USA.

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