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I have a 1915/16 roadster that is not very original. It has two Kelsey "loose lug" wheels on the rear with one (I think) Ford rim and one (I think) Hayes rim. The front wheels are non-demountable.
I recently bought a parts car with two demountable front wheels (Ford, I think - they are not Kelsey loose lugs. Photo attached) in fair condition, but the rims (Hayes, I think) are very rusty.
I'd like to buy three serviceable rims, of whatever manufacturer will work with my wheels, so I can carry a spare tire-and-rim.
Martin

You need all four wheels to be same make. Rims do not interchange between different makes.
There is a chart in the Ford Service Bulletins that shows the difference. Dan

the wheel you are showing appears to be a Hayes.

Hayes and FORD 2845B rims fit it

Similarly, rims which will fit that wheel will also fit FORD wheels, so you have the option to mix/match within that range of combinations

I'd go further into this, but my searching/surfing shows that you've been exposed to all of this already on another thread, so here's info for anyone else interested.

You'd get the best results if you identified which rims you were looking for, in your subject line...2845B...go back to your post and use the "pencil" icon to revise it

Good luck

The wheel shown does appear to have the relief in the felloe edge at the lug holes, indicating a Hayes wheel. They will accept both Hayes and Ford lugged rims, so you have the best option in your wheels for a mix and match that will allow correct matching of rim and felloe.
Ford lugged rims will bolt up to your Kelsey loose lug felloes. Hayes will not. However, the four lug bolts will taking the "drive", so they must be monitored to make sure they stay tight. The rims will not wedge on the felloe as they are meant to. So, your spare should be a Ford lugged rim.

Hope this helps
Allan from down under.

Some Hayes felloes have a "dent" in the outer rim at each lug location to allow the lug foot to clear, others have a cut notch. It's hard to tell, but I think I see a faint indication of the "dent" in the picture, I would need a closer view to confirm. Here is a picture of a Hayes rim showing the lug "foot" that requires clearance, and a Hayes felloe with the clearance "dent".

If you can't find good original Hayes rims, there is a gentleman in Australia that makes new ones that are very nice, I bought a set for my 1924. They come in plain steel, or you can get them already plated for an extra fee. I ordered mine plated and they look great.

https://www.vintagerimsaus.com/

Mark, your photo shows the typical relief pressed into the outer rolled edge of the Hayes wheels with which I am familiar. I am aware that some felloes have no rolled edge, but have a straight up outer edge. Steve Jelf has shown photos of this type of rim. It is my belief that these are not Hayes rims, but rather they are from a different manufacturer. They are notched as they are to make them compatible with all the lugged rims used by Ford, including Hayes rims, making interchangeability possible over all cars.
I could be wrong.

Allan from down under.

A great source of information on demountable rims: Model T Times July/August 2014 "Demountable Rims Used On The Model T". A great article with lots of pictures. I use it often to help me figure out what rims and wheels I am looking at.

Thanks all! My "new" front wheels do have 4 slight "dents" so they apparently are Hayes. I'll contact Vintage Rims Australia.

You would be doing myself and I'm sure, others, a great favor if you eventually detail your transaction with Vintage.

I have a car which could really benefit from a new set of rims and am curious as to how the transaction and shipping go

for myself, thank you

Scott, email vintagerimsaus@gmail.com and I am sure Steve will help.

Allan from down under