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Topic author - Posts: 1959
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:39 am
- First Name: Tim
- Last Name: Juhl
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1917 Touring
- Location: Thumb of Michigan
- MTFCA Number: 50297
- MTFCI Number: 24810
- Board Member Since: 2018
What's happening here? Help!
Ok.... today should have been a great day. After many months, and a lot of effort on the part of myself and good friends I dropped my rebuilt engine back into the frame of my 1917 Touring today. Of course we picked a hot and humid day so the sweat was just rolling off everyone.
The problem is once the engine was in (tho' not bolted down yet, I observed that the pawl on the lever doesn't line up with the arm and bolt on the transmission. How can this be? Is there some adjustment I'm missing. Need some help here.
The problem is once the engine was in (tho' not bolted down yet, I observed that the pawl on the lever doesn't line up with the arm and bolt on the transmission. How can this be? Is there some adjustment I'm missing. Need some help here.
1917 Touring
1946 Aeronca Champ
1952 Willys M38a1 Jeep (sold 2023)
1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor
1946 Aeronca Champ
1952 Willys M38a1 Jeep (sold 2023)
1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor
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- Posts: 705
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:01 pm
- First Name: Michael
- Last Name: Pawelek
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1919 Touring, 1925 Coupe
- Location: Brookshire, Texas
- Board Member Since: 1999
Re: What's happening here? Help!
Same engine in the same frame?
Do the bolt holes for the engine mounts match the holes in the frame?
Does the ball on the wishbone match the cup on the pan?
Does the rod that the pawl is attached to move laterally in the frame?
Do the bolt holes for the engine mounts match the holes in the frame?
Does the ball on the wishbone match the cup on the pan?
Does the rod that the pawl is attached to move laterally in the frame?
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Topic author - Posts: 1959
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:39 am
- First Name: Tim
- Last Name: Juhl
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1917 Touring
- Location: Thumb of Michigan
- MTFCA Number: 50297
- MTFCI Number: 24810
- Board Member Since: 2018
Re: What's happening here? Help!
Michael, I can't answer all your questions. After we dropped the engine in we were all too pooped to do to much more. I figured I'd get into it tomorrow when I'll feel fresher.
It is the same engine - the hogshead was changed to allow installation of a starter. The pan was also changed to a later type but the holes appear to match up pretty well. I haven't installed the wishbone yet. I don't know if I can move the rod with the pawl on it from side to side - haven't tried.
It is the same engine - the hogshead was changed to allow installation of a starter. The pan was also changed to a later type but the holes appear to match up pretty well. I haven't installed the wishbone yet. I don't know if I can move the rod with the pawl on it from side to side - haven't tried.
1917 Touring
1946 Aeronca Champ
1952 Willys M38a1 Jeep (sold 2023)
1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor
1946 Aeronca Champ
1952 Willys M38a1 Jeep (sold 2023)
1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor
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- Posts: 192
- Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:36 pm
- First Name: Bryan
- Last Name: Ostergren
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1914 cut-off touring/pickup: 1922 Touring car: 1921 TT Dump Truck
- Location: Prescott, AZ
- MTFCA Number: 8082
Re: What's happening here? Help!
The clutch release arm has been bent inward at some point in time. I've run across this several times. Simply put some heat to the arm and bend it outward until the bolt lines up properly.
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- First Name: Allan
- Last Name: Bennett
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1912 van, 1917 shooting brake, 1929 roadster buckboard, 1924 tourer, 1925 barn find buckboard, 1925 D &F wide body roadster, 1927LHD Tudor sedan.
- Location: Gawler, Australia
Re: What's happening here? Help!
Bryan has nailed it. You can see the bend in the arm. If taking that bend out still does not get the bolt riding in the centre of the cam, there is no reason not to go a little further. Heat makes the bending easy, but it is not essential. I have bent them cold. Put a 12" crescent wrench across the arm and use a second wench across the first one and twist. The shaft and arm are a one piece forging and will take this kind of treatment.
Hope this helps.
Allan from down under.
Hope this helps.
Allan from down under.
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- First Name: Gary
- Last Name: London
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1911 Touring
- Location: Camarillo
- MTFCA Number: 16592
Re: What's happening here? Help!
You can also use a large box end wrench and bend it cold. I did it last week on mine after replacing the engine.
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Topic author - Posts: 1959
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:39 am
- First Name: Tim
- Last Name: Juhl
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1917 Touring
- Location: Thumb of Michigan
- MTFCA Number: 50297
- MTFCI Number: 24810
- Board Member Since: 2018
Re: What's happening here? Help!
Bend it eh? That was all I could come up with....I'm glad others have found that to be a solution. Thanks for your help.
1917 Touring
1946 Aeronca Champ
1952 Willys M38a1 Jeep (sold 2023)
1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor
1946 Aeronca Champ
1952 Willys M38a1 Jeep (sold 2023)
1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor
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Topic author - Posts: 1959
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:39 am
- First Name: Tim
- Last Name: Juhl
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1917 Touring
- Location: Thumb of Michigan
- MTFCA Number: 50297
- MTFCI Number: 24810
- Board Member Since: 2018
Re: What's happening here? Help!
Today was much better Following the suggestions I received from forum members, I wrapped the clutch lever shaft with a wet rag then heated the bent area of the lever with a micro torch. Using a large adjustable wrench I gave it a carefully calibrated "reef" and straightened it out. I now have what passes for neutral in a T and adjusted the clevis and bolt as per the Fahnstock technique recently finessed and published by Steve Jelf. I got a lot of work done today and am feeling more positive about the way things are going.....Thanks!
1917 Touring
1946 Aeronca Champ
1952 Willys M38a1 Jeep (sold 2023)
1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor
1946 Aeronca Champ
1952 Willys M38a1 Jeep (sold 2023)
1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor
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- First Name: Duane
- Last Name: Cooley
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 18 Runabout, 24 Runabout for 20yrs, 25 TT, late Center Door project, open express pickup
- Location: central MN
- MTFCA Number: 32488
- Board Member Since: 2015
Re: What's happening here? Help!
".....I gave it a carefully calibrated "reef" and straightened it out." You made my great day and evening even better Tim!
Excellent.
Excellent.
Since I lost my mind mind, I feel more liberated