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Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:47 pm
by D.Yoder
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Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:52 pm
by D.Yoder
2020 will be the last Chickasha :cry:

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:26 pm
by FreighTer Jim
Glad to see you made it !


FJ

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:43 am
by Johnnybuick
Blimey :shock: ..its like the bargain Tables for womens bras at walmart..

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:18 am
by George N Lake Ozark
JohnnyB, I was about to say an old fashion basement rummage sale at Macy's. :lol:

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:19 am
by George N Lake Ozark
Get your Jelfies here folks and post .

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:27 pm
by Steve Jelf
The fairgrounds wi-fi is turned on this year, so while I sit here waiting for people to buy my precious goods I'll post some pictures

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1926 Packard


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1930 Frankiln


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1935 Ford

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:32 pm
by BobD
Wow, that is a nice Packard,’35 Ford etc. Keep them coming Steve. Inclement weather in northern AZ and on the I-40 corridor prevented my attendance this year. :cry:

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:42 pm
by Steve Jelf
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1899 Stanley. I'm mighty ignorant about these, but I suspect mostly original running gear with some modern parts added.

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Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:48 pm
by Steve Jelf
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1926, $3300.

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:57 pm
by Ruxstel24
Steve Jelf wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:48 pm

1926, $3300.
What engine is this ?

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:00 pm
by BobD
Appears to be a 1933 Buick ohv straight 8.

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:01 pm
by Ruxstel24
BobD wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:00 pm
Appears to be a 1933 Buick straight 8.
The black coupe...ahhh ;)

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:05 pm
by HaroldRJr
Nice photos of some very nice and interesting cars Steve,....we appreciate your efforts!

I attended a couple of the Chickasha swap meets several years ago (....when I first met you and Mike Walker) and in looking at your pictures, it really does look to me like the whole "swap meet thing" is on a gradual decline. Hate to hear that next year will be the last one, but it really does make sense I guess. I'd be interested on your "take" of the whole situation Steve; does it seem to you like attendance/participation is somewhat less than previously years? And, if the whole event does seem a bit "slower" than in previous years, I wonder how much of that is due to Craigs List, E-Bay, on-line sales, etc, etc, and how much of the decline is due to adverse weather forecasts prior to the meet are the reason,....??? Maybe a combination of all to that, huh?

Anyway, thanks again for the great pictures Steve (gotta' love that Packard, right?) and they do kinda' make me wish I'd gone again this year Steve,....but it's a "long"......way from Seattle,......harold

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:16 pm
by Alan Pfau - Michigan
Thanks for posting the pictures Steve; for all of us can't be there. This is a "bucket list" meet for me, and by the sounds of it I better do it next year!
I hope you sell (and buy) lots of "treasures"!

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:02 pm
by Steve Jelf
"You could fire a cannon through the place and not hit a soul."

It's not really that bad, but there are a lot of empty spaces. People die, get old and quit, move to the internet, get snowed in, etc. The last few years have brought a steady decline. Add the fact that there's a shortage of young folks getting into the prewar scene, and we get what we get. There are outstanding young folks coming along, just not enough of them.

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:09 pm
by jagiven
I love the old Stanley, would certainly would love to know more about it! Did you see the price?
Steve Jelf wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:42 pm

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1899 Stanley. I'm mighty ignorant about these, but I suspect mostly original running gear with some modern parts added.


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Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:08 pm
by TonyB
It’s true there are many empty spaces but there is a great deal of good stuff here and the camaraderie is just wonderful. I sold a good deal of heavy cast iron and bought lots of very expensive brass. When I get back to working on the 1909, you’ll all see the correct Jno Brown Model 60 lites and the E&J will be for sale. Also picked up the correct swivel and a hogs head for customers cars.
Quite a few empty space inside
Quite a few empty space inside
Lots of space outside
Lots of space outside
Swivel for customer
Swivel for customer
Hopefully the correct body tag for the 1909
Body tag for the 19090
Body tag for the 19090
I’ve packed new lamps so no pictures just yet. I promise to do it when I get home. I saw a huge pile of tack strips, probably should have bought the lot as folks are always asking
Tack strips
Tack strips
Finally I have always been interested in other pans to put under the Model T block. Today I saw a Himco cast iron pan. Looks kind of jnteresting.
I can’t add the picture, exceeded the limit. 😊😊

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:11 pm
by TonyB
Here is a photo of the Himco cast iron pan.
Himco pan for T block.
Himco pan for T block.

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:35 pm
by Dallas Landers
Thanks for some photos guys. I may never get to see it in person unless next year works out.
Steve if you buy that 26 RPU we could really confuse people at the OCF. Lol!

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:44 pm
by Nv Bob
Who ever there post some info on the stanley

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:42 am
by KWTownsend
If anyone finds any gas tank cover hinges for the metal cover at a reasonable price, please pick then up for me.
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Thanx,
Keith

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:13 pm
by Steve Jelf
I was going to stay at least until noon. I figured on Saturday morning there would be some customers who had to work and couldn't come yesterday. Nope. The place is deader than King Tut when it comes to selling anything. So I'll post pictures and go on up the road.

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1936 Hudson Terraplane project.

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Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:27 pm
by Steve Jelf
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John Regan visits with Elizabeth Estepp (Class It Up) and Mike Francis (Classtique). Mike makes the upholstery and tops, and Elizabeth installs them.

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1914 Studebaker
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Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:44 pm
by Steve Jelf
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The Geezer got to meet Hugh Hermphill of the Texas Transportation Museum in San Antonio.


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Paul Mikeska and Mike Walker braved the wintry wind in their outside location.

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Ford row.

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:47 pm
by Steve Jelf
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A fancy Ford with a fancy price (42 grand).

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:28 pm
by KeithG
Thanks for the nice pic's guys.

Keith

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:49 pm
by DanTreace
We packed up Friday and headed south early Sat figuring Sat would be flat. Only sold $50 worth on Fri, Thurs was the greatest , sold hundreds and found some little treasures too. Sad that this meet is ending so it’s the last. If the 2020 comes off may be same swan song, just few vendors and fewer buyers.
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This field used to be full up of sold spaces and lots of parts. :(

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:53 pm
by DanTreace
More pics
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Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:08 pm
by JTT3
I went to Chickasha this year to mainly see some old friends. Putting the parts aside is a little difficult since most of the relationships I built really developed from meeting and talking to the vendors or buyers over the decades. It’s almost been a monument for me, a place to remember fellow enthusiasts, acquaintances & friends over those years. Some that have passed, the Judge, uncle Jack, Brassman Jim so many more, others too tired to come but still missed. I often wonder if I’ve helped the hobby enough to be remembered in a positive way, hopefully I have the time ahead to do that. For Many of us this swap meet was/is more central, most everything that is big for our hobby are on either side of the coasts which makes it more difficult to attend or participate as a vendor if you live central.This year I really didn’t have anything to sell for obvious reasons but kept my spaces in the south building. I’m hoping that we won’t lose Chickasha or Perhaps a new version of it if Mark takes on the mantel.
Some of it is the majority of the middle to upper age range of our hobby members, lack of interest to be involved by younger folks or other than as a spectator, a younger generation that don’t have to or want to know how things work & human nature to run something down than to build it up. Setting low expectations and meeting them. I wish it weren’t so. I hope that next year, perhaps the last (30th) we can make it huge, if we’re going out, let’s go big, let’s not get all dressed up for nothing. I hope we can all help save something in the central USA for our hobby.
Best John

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:26 pm
by RustyFords
JTT3 wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:08 pm
...if we’re going out, let’s go big, let’s not get all dressed up for nothing...
I agree John.

This year was smaller than I've ever seen it. So, let's all attend the last one and send Chickasha off with a bang. I know I'll be there.

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:36 pm
by Steve Jelf
I see several reasons for the decline, and it's sad to see the prewar car world shrinking. There are wonderful young folks coming on the scene. I wish there were enough of them to keep the hobby going at the level we remember. Anyway, I'm already thinking of some things to take and sell next year when I see my fellow old car aficionados at Chickasha for the last time. I hope it will be a bang and not a whimper.

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:18 am
by BRENT in 10-uh-C
Steve Jelf wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:36 pm
I see several reasons for the decline, and it's sad to see the prewar car world shrinking. There are wonderful young folks coming on the scene. I wish there were enough of them to keep the hobby going at the level we remember. Anyway, I'm already thinking of some things to take and sell next year when I see my fellow old car aficionados at Chickasha for the last time. I hope it will be a bang and not a whimper.

Let me start by saying thanks to Dean for the first pic he posted of me in the gray & black coat gathering goodies. Also, shortly after this pic was taken I was able to meet THE Steve Jelf when he first arrived. That was cool for me! I later saw the 'Jelf-mobile' inside a couple of times but was never able to find him nearby to chat more.


What I find interesting in the PreWar world is that cars are selling when you watch pages such as the HCCA classifieds. The interest is still there. From the professional side of this, there is still interest in restoration of vehicles, so money is still being spent on/in the hobby. Funny thing though, I grew up in the hobby and as a kid going to club meetings in the 60s, I can remember guys talking in the meetings how they were the last group to want Model-Ts as everyone now wants 30s and 40s cars. Then in the 70s a new group of club members said the same thing about 50s and 60s cars would replace the Model-Ts and there would be no one to buy the Ts. Three or four decades later it was muscle cars that would be what everyone wanted and Model-T owners were dying. Fast forward another decade to today and Model-T still sell well. Also, there are more restored Model-Ts around now than what was around 25 years ago, so the hobby is not dying.

What IS dying from my view is the desire to participate at swap meets. When you looked at Chickasha, the biggest thing that was missing was merchandise to purchase. I don't have to tell you guys how much work it is to load stuff on a trailer, drive across states to get there, set up and babysit the parts, then reload what doesn't sell and haul it home, -THEN put it back in the garage. It is a lot of work and most people who own the stuff don't feel like working that hard. There were plenty of younger generation people walking around however they were not carrying much. You did not see many wagons or carts being pulled loaded with parts either. Is it because there wasn't anything to buy -OR is it because hobbyists Replace instead of Restore these days and it is easier to call to order new parts?? I tend to think it is the latter because time has become to valuable of a commodity.

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:33 pm
by modernbeat
BRENT in 10-uh-C wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:18 am
...There were plenty of younger generation people walking around however they were not carrying much. You did not see many wagons or carts being pulled loaded with parts either. Is it because there wasn't anything to buy -OR is it because hobbyists Replace instead of Restore these days and it is easier to call to order new parts?? I tend to think it is the latter because time has become to valuable of a commodity.
We were parked close enough that with every purchase we made a trip back to the truck. And I think we made fifteen separate purchases, including another '26 frame.

Aside from the weather, which kept some people away, and the every-other year thing that a number of people do, I think the scheduling makes the swap meet unattractive to many. Loading in on Thursday, and then shopping Friday and Saturday is the issue. I'd schedule load-in on Friday, and the main shopping day on Saturday so more people could attend before the vendors decided to pack it in and leave.

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:28 pm
by BRENT in 10-uh-C
modernbeat wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:33 pm

I think the scheduling makes the swap meet unattractive to many. Loading in on Thursday, and then shopping Friday and Saturday is the issue. I'd schedule load-in on Friday, and the main shopping day on Saturday so more people could attend before the vendors decided to pack it in and leave.
Maybe ...but Joe initially set it up to be a Friday & Saturday meet with move-in at 4:00 PM on Thursday evening. That theoretically allowed vendors to arrive after work on Thursday (-or after traveling to Chickasha on Thursday) and have Friday & Saturday to vend, ...and then everyone would go home on Sunday. I don't think anyone ever anticipated it would draw attendees from Washington State, New York and Massachusetts, Mexico and Canada like it does --or like it did this year. Folks coming that far started arriving early to make sure they get there on time, and before you know it people start buying stuff in the hotel parking lot. Then the meeting place was in the fairgrounds parking lot. Once the fence was built, we moved under the bridge. At this point, I doubt it would change anything if Mike or Susie moved it to your schedule. If anything, it may hurt their business as some would not even buy a space. I remember when we used to pull up in the fairground parking area and there was a farmer from Texas that pulled up into the line with a 16' trailer loaded with A &T stuff he had bought at an estate. He probably got there around 2 in the afternoon was waiting to purchase a space when the Erslands opened the gate, however people started buying stuff from him in line. Before the gates had even opened, he sold everything on the trailer and he just pulled out of line to go home. Everyone but the Erslands were laughing about that. The next year they changed the rules that you had to have a sticker before you could pull into the line. Therefore at this point, I am not sure if the dates were moved back a day if things would change as vendors would still arrive on Thursday and most good stuff would be gone by Saturday morning when the gates would be opened.

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:12 pm
by TonyB
These are the lamps I mentioned earlier. They are Jno Brown Model 60. This includes the tail lamp which is a little different with a red lens and I believe was later changed to a Model 75.
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The last two are the top of the fonts. Clearly they both indicate Model 60 but are different.
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They are in beautifully restored condition and will really make the 09 stand out.

Sorry about the mixed up pictures but I cannot seem to controlwhrrecpictures arevlocated in reference to the text. ☹️

Re: Let Chickasha begin

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:34 pm
by modelt46
Regardng the model 60 Ford lamps and 75 tail light. I have always assumed the 60s for for 1910 model year Ts. They are used with model 15 head lights. I have a very nice pair of 60s for my 1910 and an unmarked tail light that is the same as the model 75. It is interesting that I also have a pair oif unmarked side lights that resemble model 60s. The carbide gas generator is also a Jhn Brown. My model 15s are allsmost perfect, if not perfect. I run a nice pair of 3 tier E&J on my 1910 because they look so nice. There was a set of 60s and a 75 sold at the meet. The asking price for the set I saw was $2000. The seller said it took 10 years to complete the set. I was told that a set was sold at the meet. I sure would like to find a top for the tail light. At the present I use an extra 1911 JB 105 (?) on my 1910. I have heard that some 1909s used a different tail light that was smaller. I have one that resemblels one pictured in a photo of a 1909. Whenever I part with my 1910 (I bought it at the age of 14 in 1946) the buyer will get any extra lights along with the T. I am a firm believer of back up items on your treasured T.