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Hello,
Whenever I replace something on my early 1914 Touring car (Assembled October of 1913), I try to find parts matching the build date of the car. I was wondering where I could find a chart that shows the correct jack, correct air pump and correct tool set that came with the car. Any help would be appreciated.
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Thank you....Bryan
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I would check two places. First is the digital version of The Model T Encyclopedia (not the short version found on this website). Second would be the Cimorelli website. You're not likely to find tool kits as such by year, but I think the first source has info you can research, and maybe the second.

I'm not sure when this jack was introduced, but I think it was available by 1914.

bdtutton wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:23 pm

Hello,
Whenever I replace something on my early 1914 Touring car (Assembled October of 1913), I try to find parts matching the build date of the car. I was wondering where I could find a chart that shows the correct jack, correct air pump and correct tool set that came with the car. Any help would be appreciated.
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Thank you....Bryan
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I checked Cimorella's Library and open the 1914 Parts list. I think its reasonable to assume that the parts identified as "regular equipment" were all part of the tool kit (tool roll) https://www.cimorelli.com/mtdl/1914/default.htm
I have many of the ones in green box for sale. All Ford Scripted. Note 1387 Adjustable Wrench does not have the square tip
Also in looking through various Part Lists by year, I didn't see a jack referenced until 1924, that's not to see there wasn't just that it wasn't listed as regular equipment (which doesn't make sense not to have one)

The drawings of the hubcap wrenches have octagonal holes for the front axle nut????

Allan from down under.

1914

Tools included with the T.

Allan wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:06 pm

The drawings of the hubcap wrenches have octagonal holes for the front axle nut????

Allan from down under.

That is"artist license" by John Regan who made that chart of the styles of hub cap wrenches.


This is the '12-'23 style hub cap wrench, note the raised collars around the spindle nut and the hub cap.

Dan, I have an eye for these. I found two of the early three hole type on visit to Ford and More in Spokane. I had my wallet out on the counter to pay for them, and just happened to count the flats on the hubcap end. They were hexagonal!

Allan from down under.

I can't be 100% sure, but I believe the Buckeye jack was supplied in 1914 by Ford. They have a separate handle, and say Ford in block letters at the top of the jack. They were painted silver.

Here is a set that took me years to assemble for a representative 1915 set of tools.

Yes, the tire irons may not be correct...but at the same time this set was restored to be functional and roadside if needed. As a guy who held the land turtle record on changing a clincher tube that eventually became a near speed record...lol...I'll eventually get a set of the tapered forging irons, but they will stay in the box...lol.

I also have the T1923 tool shipping box...(actually a modern facsimile, with modern sisal nesting and a closure method that was 'normal' in the era.). Bruce list had said the box did start with the first 1909 and carried through at least for a decade or so. Some have held the dealers trashed the box at point of sale...my view is that the tools stayed in the box until the box fell apart. Who knows...but I've had fun.

Here is a set that took me years to assemble for a representative 1915 set of tools.

That's a very nice display. But those short little Ford tire irons should be for display only. They make changing a clincher tire the job from Hell. Mister Archimedes and I have discovered that a long lever is easier to work with than a short one. For tools that I actually use in the real world, I have found that some two-footers from Harbor Freight are ideal for changing clinchers, and that's what I take traveling.

I think George is dealing with loose ignition wiring while I install a new Wards tire. My tools are the Ford screw jack, HF irons on the ground, a valve wrench, and a 12 volt compressor. But some of those things are not original/authentic! Right. T.S.

Before Blockley tyres became avaialble, i would agree with Steve about the short T tyre levers. Longer is better. However the new Blockleys are so supple I am tempted to try mounting them with the T irons.

Allan from down under.

Original Smith wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:48 pm

I can't be 100% sure, but I believe the Buckeye jack was supplied in 1914 by Ford. They have a separate handle, and say Ford in block letters at the top of the jack. They were painted silver.

Just saw this photo posted today. Seems like a rather new T, can't read license plate year, but style jack makes sense as the one supplied by Ford as regular equipment for the 1913 model year.



Date of jack as regular supplied tools with the Ford, from a Nov. 1912 news article on the new 1913 model.

I bought a jack like the one in Steve's photo at Chickasha in 2010. The interesting thing is every component that goes into its making has an individual part number cast in it.
Our Canadian cars came with very similar jacks, supplied by Elite manufacturing or Auto Specialties. Occasionally I turn up one with a flip top that can be turned in to compensate for the different height of the rear axle tubes. There was one like this at the Bendigo swap meet on the weekend, but I passed on it. The base was so badly rounded off, probably by pushing the car off the jack rather than winding it down again, that I was doubtful that it could be straightened, even with red heat.

Allan from down under.

I'd go by the parts book for the year of your car. They are usually a year off from what they really used.

Has anyone researched the common model T screw jack to try to establish its in use date? I would think Trent, Mark Cameron or Ken Jones has looked up the Jack. All Kens research is now in the model T museum.

A bit more info https://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/4 ... 1395145625