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by Drkbp
Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:56 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Need help reading part drawing on a Ford racer
Replies: 23
Views: 697

Re: Need help reading part drawing on a Ford racer

Just a little drift from the trim piece..... Drawing 116 in the Drop Box had an interesting "Also 3 13/16 eng" note added in the left lower corner. A reference to the 3-13/16" bore x 5" stroke, 228.3 cubic inch engine that Frank Kulich raced as the 3 Car against the Mason 6 Car in the June 1912 Algo...
by Drkbp
Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:53 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Period Picture- Hump"T"y Dump"T"y
Replies: 17
Views: 1456

Re: Period Picture- Hump"T"y Dump"T"y

Appears to be the same two trucks and drivers in each photo. Took a shot of each dumping.
Almost looks like the driver with the white shirt has shades on.
Cool photos. 8-)
by Drkbp
Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:51 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: That was fast. High resolution photo of Fords and other racers, 1911 Hill Climb
Replies: 11
Views: 828

Re: That was fast. High resolution photo of Fords and other racers, 1911 Hill Climb

Rob, Thanks for driving us cross eyed!! :D Great street photograph (and others of course)..! Can any of y'all tell what number the other Case is behind the 52 car? It seems to have a 9 on the fuel tank?? Jagersburger was driving the 37 car but I can't see it. He drove a "tooth" Case in the Indy but ...
by Drkbp
Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:57 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Is this a Model T? Algonquin Hill Climb 1911
Replies: 26
Views: 1422

Re: Is this a Model T? Algonquin Hill Climb 1911

Rob, You are absolutely correct that the 12 car had entered a (Division) C race. You are also correct the Elis Joubert 13 car (Class B) was also entered in the same 161 to 230 displacement (Division) C races as Frank Kulick. Elis Joubert didn't start but that makes no difference. He was registered, ...
by Drkbp
Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:03 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Is this a Model T? Algonquin Hill Climb 1911
Replies: 26
Views: 1422

Re: Is this a Model T? Algonquin Hill Climb 1911

The New Orleans Mardi Gras racer, 12 car pictured above, was a A.A.A. Class 2B "Stock Chassis Racer". There is nothing in that photograph that I can see that would indicate otherwise. Please comment if you see something. The term "stock" doesn't mean a chassis off the assembly line in a literal sens...
by Drkbp
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:18 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Is this a Model T? Algonquin Hill Climb 1911
Replies: 26
Views: 1422

Re: Is this a Model T? Algonquin Hill Climb 1911

Wayne, Others will probably have photos even though that history is hard to come by. Rob is the best in getting great photos! However, the 1911 A.A.A. Rules allow "Stock Cars" and "Stock Chassis Racers" to have any ratio that will "fit in the standard production pumpkin". The sky is the limit on the...
by Drkbp
Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:00 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Is this a Model T? Algonquin Hill Climb 1911
Replies: 26
Views: 1422

Re: Is this a Model T? Algonquin Hill Climb 1911

Rob, you're moving ninety miles an hour.... :lol: To answer your Stock vs. Non-Stock question in your 9:34 am post...and your "renumber the cars" during the events comment a little later.... 1911 A.A.A. Rules apply in this meet at Algonquin so: STOCK VS. NON-STOCK 1. A.A.A. Stock chassis racers qual...
by Drkbp
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:23 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Is this a Model T? Algonquin Hill Climb 1911
Replies: 26
Views: 1422

Re: Is this a Model T? Algonquin Hill Climb 1911

Rob, I believe you may be confusing the 1912 Algonquin with the 1911 regarding the 228/410's. I'll check what I have. Also, there were six different Fords that raced in the 1911 Algonquin. Lanahan was first listed as driver in the Stock Ford chassis 49 car but Gruener ended up being the driver of re...
by Drkbp
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:14 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Is this a Model T? Algonquin Hill Climb 1911
Replies: 26
Views: 1422

Re: Is this a Model T? Algonquin Hill Climb 1911

Rob, Great photos! In your first photo, it appears we are looking at the rear of the 389.9 cubic inch "42 car" after the race, or at least the morning run. That is the torn "tie on" 42 number hanging down on each side of the pumpkin. ;) The "64 car" is the small fuel tank 389.9 cubic inch Kulick dro...
by Drkbp
Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:59 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford scrip hubcap wrench questions
Replies: 5
Views: 544

Re: Ford scrip hubcap wrench questions

Early V8.
Probably fit my '35 oil pan drain plug. ;)
by Drkbp
Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:02 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: brass gas line from lamps to carbide tank
Replies: 6
Views: 488

Re: brass gas line from lamps to carbide tank

Colin,

Does your '12 radiator have the 1/2" gas hose holes in the side plates near the bottom?

Ken
by Drkbp
Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:00 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: 1914 Body changeover date
Replies: 8
Views: 495

Re: 1914 Body changeover date

Ed, Thanks for the June 9, 1913, early date. I assume you have the metal coil box? If so, pretty well confirms the switch to the new coil begun in March 1913 was over by June 1913. The new coil won't fit the wood coil box. Same here on the '13 fenders, pipe plug engine, two piece drive shaft housing...
by Drkbp
Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:41 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: 1914 Body changeover date
Replies: 8
Views: 495

Re: 1914 Body changeover date

Jeff, You are probably referring to the note below dated July 1, 1913. It has been a while since we discussed these early 1914 style Touring cars. Most likely brought about by the weak design of the 1913 style Touring bodies. I have 312,4XX which is a July 1913 and it is a 1914 style Beaudette Touri...
by Drkbp
Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:21 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Towncar-Old Photo
Replies: 6
Views: 655

Re: Towncar-Old Photo

The Town Car photo Scott posted above was in the New York Auto show that ran from December 31, 1908 through January 7, 1909. Ford had all five body styles shown. The Coupe and Touring car are behind the Town Car, Roadster and Laundaulet. The row of Fords along the aisle are two-pedal so I imagine th...
by Drkbp
Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:34 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Low head, no Ford on it
Replies: 12
Views: 1127

Re: Low head, no Ford on it

Joe, I believe I have one of the heads you describe. Just took the pictures below. I ran it on my July 1913 Touring (U.S.) until I could get the correct head. Low head, "thumbprint" combustion chamber with a "3 - 18" which should indicate March 18th ___(no year). What appeared to be a similar/matchi...
by Drkbp
Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:51 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: "The Ford Cheaper than a Horse"
Replies: 4
Views: 645

Re: "The Ford Cheaper than a Horse"

Ford worked a strong newspaper advertising program with their dealers.
Here is another "Cheaper Than A Horse" add.
May/June period of 1908, Winona, Minnesota
by Drkbp
Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:15 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: '24 T Barn Find
Replies: 20
Views: 1548

Re: '24 T Barn Find

Looks like a nice runabout and I would love to have it. :) It does appear to have a very faded 1980 Texas Vehicle Inspection sticker that would expire in August of 1981. With that plate, seems to indicate the car was street legal in Texas in 1980-81. Looks like a "runner"! Just needs a top and a qui...
by Drkbp
Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:28 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Small difference in 1913 Victor 1 side lamps
Replies: 4
Views: 384

Re: Small difference in 1913 Victor 1 side lamps

Thanks for posting the variation of the spade mount. The mount on the right appears to be a casting? The Victor Lamp Company and Corcoran Company were both owned by Thomas Corcoran and some of his brothers. The Victor "1" lamps seem to be a set that Mr. Corcoran could get together quickly to get a p...
by Drkbp
Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:42 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Running Board Acetylene cylinder ?
Replies: 12
Views: 1214

Re: Running Board Acetylene cylinder ?

Ivan, The 20 inch tank is called a "B" tank at the welding supply houses where I find a few Prest-O-Lite offset valve tanks mixed in with the regular tanks. They are not the old style tank with the pressure gauge on the bottom which can't be filled here in the U.S. Marty, Keith has shown the best pe...
by Drkbp
Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:52 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: What do you do when the boss says “I want you to build a car that will beat the fastest racer in the world?”
Replies: 59
Views: 4403

Re: What do you do when the boss says “I want you to build a car that will beat the fastest racer in the world?”

The real highlight of the day is the "50 second track record" for our guy against "Wild" Bob Burman with the V radiator Ford Special racer pictured above! :) And the $1,000 bill... :D But there was another couple of great races easier to see in another news clip of the days events. ;) (Red dots on a...
by Drkbp
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:55 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Hand cranking, left versus right hand
Replies: 25
Views: 2028

Re: Hand cranking, left versus right hand

Interesting post. Although I'm not quite 100% ambidextrous, I use whichever hand is "most convenient" to whatever I am doing; wrench, screwdriver, hammer, drawing etc. Years ago when I brought my first T home, a 1914, I had to crank it to get it off the trailer. I used the left hand which "seemed" t...
by Drkbp
Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:58 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Has anyone had experience with LED bulbs in a acetylene headlight?
Replies: 11
Views: 1116

Re: Has anyone had experience with LED bulbs in a acetylene headlight?

As Allan says, Mangin mirror reflector.

Gas is about as simple and reliable as it could get using a Prest-O-Lite setup :) .
by Drkbp
Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:42 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Early vs. Late 1913 Fenders
Replies: 22
Views: 1630

Re: Early vs. Late 1913 Fenders

Ed, Beautiful car! I have one of those "1913's" with a 1914 style body. I suspect yours is a Beaudette body touring.? ;) There will be a "B" on the kick panel if it is a Beaudette. They also have the bead along the lower edge of the rear tub. Apparently, the 1914 style touring car began to appear du...
by Drkbp
Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:51 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Stewart speedometer chains
Replies: 4
Views: 673

Re: Stewart speedometer chains

If your swivel and speedometer are functioning properly, be sure and "lay the chain" prior to attaching to the speedometer head or you invite a jam and broken link. To flip the links all in the same direction: Insert chain in the housing, attach both clutches to chain and screw cable onto swivel. Le...
by Drkbp
Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:28 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Interesting almost matching numbers.
Replies: 1
Views: 380

Re: Interesting almost matching numbers.

Allan,

Is the transmission stub shaft dated?

Ken P
by Drkbp
Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:13 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: New T owner with a few questions
Replies: 21
Views: 1916

Re: New T owner with a few questions

Lorien, The John Brown 16's also "fit" your runabout. You have plenty of headlights! :) I have a set on a my July 1913 '14 style touring. Most important part is the Mangin mirrors in them. The mirrors will also fit the Victor lamps that are on your car. A fellow has a post on the HCCA that he goes t...
by Drkbp
Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:59 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: New T owner with a few questions
Replies: 21
Views: 1916

Re: New T owner with a few questions

Do not try to move the windshield until until you turn the driver side hinge over the other way. It is on backwards.
The passenger side windshield hinge is on correct for it to fold to the rear. ;)

Then we can talk about a nice looking '14 :) with some Victor lamps we have to get lit! :D

Ken P
by Drkbp
Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:02 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: OLD PHOTO - Brass Era - Outback In A Ford
Replies: 9
Views: 1246

Re: OLD PHOTO - Brass Era - Outback In A Ford

Seems to be a 1915/16 chassis. Looks like it has the enlarged top radiator tank that was probably Australian. Maybe one of folks from there can comment on those. It does appear to have fork mounted electric headlights and three tier square kerosene side lamps. Canadian cars used spade mount side lam...
by Drkbp
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:33 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Old Phot- An early Model T
Replies: 17
Views: 2195

Re: Old Phot- An early Model T

I have some Victor gas lamps like that and I believe lamps with the additional reflector are called "double reflector". They do look larger but it may just be the additional silvered rim behind the glass.
by Drkbp
Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:38 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Carbide headlights Dash flames don’t meet!
Replies: 13
Views: 1828

Re: Carbide headlights Dash flames don’t meet!

Greg, I use a acetylene regulator to check my burners before I put them in the headlight. I put the burner in a small vise and run a hose to it, crack the regulator to about 3 psi and check that they burn correctly. A small in line valve before the burner helps when you use tank acetylene. The burne...
by Drkbp
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:23 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Carbide headlights Dash flames don’t meet!
Replies: 13
Views: 1828

Re: Carbide headlights Dash flames don’t meet!

Greg, It sounds like you have some burners that have been used with a carbide generator and have a slight lime buildup at the port opening. That will make the gas jet off center to hit the other jet on the burner. Also, check the two side ports on each tip and be sure they are clear. I have had some...
by Drkbp
Thu May 30, 2019 7:18 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford Special Racer, it's about a wrap.
Replies: 17
Views: 1599

Re: Ford Special Racer, it's about a wrap.

Beautiful!! :)
Love your idea about the magnetic numbers. I vote for "12".. :D
Get your goggles ready!! 8-)
by Drkbp
Thu May 30, 2019 7:08 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Old photo
Replies: 10
Views: 1318

Re: Old photo

Great photograph. Looks like a real Ford Delivery Car. :shock: Maybe one of the folks can comment further on that. :? It does have a Prest-O-Lite tank for the headlights which appear to be E&J. The sidelights are John Brown 100's and the front fenders appear to be 1913 style. Looks like the horn is ...
by Drkbp
Sun May 26, 2019 7:04 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Exhaust Deflector?
Replies: 3
Views: 605

Re: Exhaust Deflector?

I believe you are correct and it also protects the Stewart speedometer.
You can see the cable running from behind the shield to the right front wheel where the road gear is mounted.
The exhaust pipes appear to be the tapered like the early tail pipe.
Great photograph of an early Ford Model T racer.
by Drkbp
Sat May 25, 2019 5:22 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford special racing motor description- starting with the smallest
Replies: 13
Views: 1476

Re: Ford special racing motor description- starting with the smallest

Rob, It doesn't mean that the 141 cubic inch motor wasn't used at all. Just not in that race, that's all. The 1910 A.A.A. Rules you posted were just a short version. Here is the full blown A.A.A. Rules for 1911: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015080121703;view=1up;seq=548 Stock cars ca...
by Drkbp
Sat May 25, 2019 4:19 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford special racing motor description- starting with the smallest
Replies: 13
Views: 1476

Re: Ford special racing motor description- starting with the smallest

Rob, To answer your question (your May 19 post), the “Class B” refers to the "Class B Stock car" races at Winnipeg. The races were being conducted under A.A.A. Stock Car rules. The other cars listed with the Ford are “Stock car” racers and the Ford Roach is driving has to be a 176.7 cubic inch Ford ...
by Drkbp
Thu May 23, 2019 4:47 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.
Replies: 22
Views: 2806

Re: 1910 292 cubic inch Model T engine is going together.

That is really looking nice! 8-)
Lean, mean, racing machine!! :P

Ken P
by Drkbp
Mon May 20, 2019 5:24 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford special racing motor description- starting with the smallest
Replies: 13
Views: 1476

Re: Ford special racing motor description- starting with the smallest

Rob, The one that got wrecked where the mechanic was killed is what I have in my notes. I believe you have them flipped. The wreck was the 4-1/2" x 4-3/4" engine racer built for the French Grand Prix race, which is a 302.2 cubic inch displacement Ford Special Depasse entered. It was in the New York ...
by Drkbp
Mon May 20, 2019 1:52 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford special racing motor description- starting with the smallest
Replies: 13
Views: 1476

Re: Ford special racing motor description- starting with the smallest

Rob, You are really good at chasing this information down. Don't stop. It helps to dig out the other tid-bits as we read through the material. Great fun and fascinating stuff. Have to explore this stuff because it's the only way to figure it out, maybe! :lol: I think Roach raced but they only gave f...
by Drkbp
Mon May 20, 2019 12:38 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford special racing motor description- starting with the smallest
Replies: 13
Views: 1476

Re: Ford special racing motor description- starting with the smallest

The race entries for the Kirkfield Winnipeg Races, dated 17 September 1910, leave something to be desired. ;) The Motor Age Race Summary after the race clears up the Ford running in the 231 to 300 class. It didn't. :o The Ford was entered in the Dunlop Trophy 25 Mile "Free For All", not the "231 to ...
by Drkbp
Thu May 16, 2019 4:20 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Old Photo-What happened?
Replies: 11
Views: 1691

Re: Old Photo-What happened?

Isn't that a photo of the Johnstown flood of 1936?

KP
by Drkbp
Mon May 13, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: 1908 Detroit, Ford runabout?
Replies: 6
Views: 1292

Re: 1908 Detroit, Ford runabout?

Dobbin eyeing three ladies in the electric.
Back seat driver got its start right there. :lol:
by Drkbp
Mon May 13, 2019 12:11 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: What is the difference between Town Car and Landaullette?
Replies: 8
Views: 1326

Re: What is the difference between Town Car and Landaullette?

Here are two photographs of a 1909 stuck in the mud. :(

KP
by Drkbp
Mon May 13, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: 1908 Detroit, Ford runabout?
Replies: 6
Views: 1292

Re: 1908 Detroit, Ford runabout?

Thank you Trent, The car on the left does appear to have a wood type Troy windshield. Too small to tell, of course. Someone with better computer skills than I possess may generate a better image. There is a photograph in the Ford Times (Summer or Fall 1912 issue) of a 1913 Model T touring car displa...
by Drkbp
Mon May 13, 2019 8:18 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: 1908 Detroit, Ford runabout?
Replies: 6
Views: 1292

1908 Detroit, Ford runabout?

Great photograph of the Detroit Gas Company Building in 1908 ... Shorpy this morning.
Is the runabout in front of the bicycle a Ford? :?:
First cup of coffee so eyes may still be off center too. :)

Link to the photograph:

https://www.shorpy.com/node/24740?size= ... al#caption
by Drkbp
Sun May 12, 2019 3:17 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Another neat photo
Replies: 9
Views: 1343

Re: Another neat photo

Great photograph!
Very fine detail, please post more of these.
The plate appears to be "3-148 DC 1919" :shock:
A hundred years sure goes by in a hurry
by Drkbp
Fri May 10, 2019 10:47 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Rob, I hear you on the first cup of coffee! :) We had golf ball size hail storm at my Houston place last night and lost power, mess, house and one automobile damaged. :o :( There was only one Ford Motor Company driver, Frank Kulick, that reported to the A.A.A. officials by 20 February 1911, had his ...
by Drkbp
Fri May 10, 2019 12:15 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Rob,
Thank you for the summary.
Write-up is wrong in another place! :o
Mixed photos. :lol:
You gotta watch'em! ;)
He's running a lower neck 1910 radiator.
I think we are going to come up with a 161 to 230 cubic inch Ford Special in 1910. Just ;) watch
KP
by Drkbp
Fri May 10, 2019 11:42 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford Racer drawing mystery - any idea what this is?
Replies: 9
Views: 1025

Re: Ford Racer drawing mystery - any idea what this is?

Rob,

It's noted on the drawing and is the profile of the 7/16" deep part through the center line.
The thickness of the casting is also given, 1/16".
Also, give us a name for the dash can. :)

KP
by Drkbp
Fri May 10, 2019 9:03 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford Racer drawing mystery - any idea what this is?
Replies: 9
Views: 1025

Re: Ford Racer drawing mystery - any idea what this is?

Rob, Well, there you go! I didn't notice the elongated port on your can before. :o We had a bad hail storm last night and I just came back in. I was going to add to the earlier post that if you hadn't cut the hole in the Dash can you could position it with the surround. If you already went by the Fo...
by Drkbp
Fri May 10, 2019 7:19 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford Racer drawing mystery - any idea what this is?
Replies: 9
Views: 1025

Re: Ford Racer drawing mystery - any idea what this is?

Rob, I looked at those drawings last night and the two caps may be for a fuel/oil tank like is on what we have been calling the 49 car. I have clipped it below. The photo isn't very big but look right behind Frank's left arm. See how the cap sits up on the tank filler nozzle riser. The cap seems to ...
by Drkbp
Thu May 09, 2019 6:35 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Dan, Rob,
That's Rice racing the 6 car at the 1910 Algonquin. He wins! :D
Gruener is there too and he races the 5 car.
by Drkbp
Thu May 09, 2019 10:01 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Wayne, We have better records available than I would have imagined regarding Ford car numbers at New Orleans…. I tried hard to condense this but it is long. The Short Answer paragraph covers the car number issue, but if you are into detail, it follows. However, it does cover one of Ford’s greatest r...
by Drkbp
Tue May 07, 2019 7:18 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Forgot to add :( If we see some action photographs one day, we'll know where they were taken. Michigan State Fair Grounds track and Frank Kulick can make that Varooom up and down Woodward he talks about. :lol: Woodward seems to have been another of his race tracks. :!: The "50 second mile" Ford Spec...
by Drkbp
Tue May 07, 2019 12:48 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

I don't know about that. You are waaay ahead of us! :lol: Varoooom! Great project! I believe it is just a publicity photograph to promote, or report, the Hawthorne Race Card in Chicago. It could be another track somewhere else but doesn’t really matter. The photo Bucket I picked up on another site 6...
by Drkbp
Mon May 06, 2019 2:40 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Young Edsel has a non-Ford mag, no spark lever. Empty coil box makes a good glove box, 8-) …. like the 32 car (Elgin August 29, 1911) has a coil box but you see the Bosch mag next to radiator with its side piece missing. Note “bulge” on bonnet under belt-buckle. Bulges to clear magneto show better o...
by Drkbp
Sun May 05, 2019 1:02 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Wayne, The photo I posted above with Hatch and Kulick is actually Gruener’s 49 car, 176.7 cubic inch non-stock chassis racer :o So much for the short brake handle idea! The race Hatch entered the 38 car was Fox River too, not Aurora. :( Also, that’s a coil box and latch showing behind the firewall a...
by Drkbp
Thu May 02, 2019 5:52 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Wayne, Good spot! I didn’t notice that. :shock: Short brake handle seems to be a Kulick trait. Hatch races the “tall” handle. At first I thought I saw a coil box but looking closer it seems to be just a tag or something Kulick has stuck behind the hood former. Kulick and Hatch are in either the 42 c...
by Drkbp
Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:47 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Another Cool Photo
Replies: 7
Views: 1337

Re: Another Cool Photo

Great photo Larry, of an almost brand new car and we're going somewhere :D ...Check out the goggles! Look at those headlights. They seem to be a "Black & Brass" version of the John Brown 19. :o what's with that? The lovely Victor 1 has three side vents in the bonnet but they are in a straight line. ...
by Drkbp
Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:18 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Neat Photo
Replies: 11
Views: 1941

Re: Neat Photo

I was looking at that fine picture of the Town Car a little closer... Attached is a Ford factory photograph (note license plate) of the Touring car at that time. Note that the wood firewall is painted black. It's the style built until April 1915 because of difficulty encountered with the 1915 style ...
by Drkbp
Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:13 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Neat Photo
Replies: 11
Views: 1941

Re: Neat Photo

This is out of the Ford Times and was commenting on the "1915 Ford Line". Check out the 1915 Touring and Runabout :shock: Gas Lamps! They're missing the bulb horn and acetylene generator but looks pretty much spot on, Black & Brass E&J lamps. That was that crazy (early '15 model year) time, October ...
by Drkbp
Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:51 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Here is a picture that I got with no information. This fine thread, thank you Rob, let's me/us add some. It's new to me and I don't recall seeing it before so I'll go ahead on it. Frank Kulick is the driver and Hatch is riding mechanic. They have just passed the finish line at the top at Algonquin. ...
by Drkbp
Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:42 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Rob, Thank you very much for the Times article and I note the rights. Nice full article. Big deal to Ford Motor and I’m sure it’s full of details. I second Warren’s comment. I have been looking at those car numbers and can’t figure out “his” number from all the stuff we have been looking at the last...
by Drkbp
Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:29 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Rob, “For comparison, the Ford Specials ran the mile at the New Orleans races in an average of about 55 mph.” Please don’t sell the large block 300 cubic inch Ford Specials short in the Mardi Gras races! Kulick wouldn’t like that :evil: The 300’s have a much better average speed than the small block...
by Drkbp
Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:47 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

MODEL T 13 CAR IN THE NEW ORLEANS FEBRUARY 25-27, 1911 RACES Rob, You’ve got a sharp eye for detail and I agree with you that the 13 car was at least entered in the New Orleans pro race. They did run some A races but you can’t see it in your St. Louis Post Dispatch newspaper column “TWO RECORDS GO A...
by Drkbp
Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:48 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Rob, That picture of the 12 car that Kulick drives in New Orleans is absolutely fine. The detail is as good as it gets. I went back after lunch today and compared it to the large engine Specials and I see exactly what you are talking about. Side by side and there is no doubt about the motor mount an...
by Drkbp
Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:26 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Wayne, I hear you on the speedster. I was sitting here in my Tony Stewart NASCAR racing jacket writing the above. Took quite a while to type that stuff. The leather cap and goggles kept getting in the way! :lol: Rob, Great picture on the New Orleans 12 car. Do you have a link to that Ford Times arti...
by Drkbp
Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:30 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Thank you Rob for bringing up two great race events for Ford and Frank Kulick. I'll go ahead and post this regarding New Orleans since we already talked about Brighton Beach and it keeps these two together. It is hard to make these concise but I'll give it a whirl. Really neat stuff and there are pr...
by Drkbp
Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:18 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Old Photo- Rushville NY, cars and gaspumps
Replies: 3
Views: 820

Re: Old Photo- Rushville NY, cars and gaspumps

Same spot today. Gas pump is gone and we are riding bikes...
by Drkbp
Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:43 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

It takes a bit of digging to put together the bore & stroke on these racers. It is the standard B&S to meet the "stock chassis" of the "B" class you just posted. Fun stuff, the #4 car is my car and Harvick is the man! Two more: The Cino 4-3/8" x 5" = 300.5 c.i. 3C racer and the Corbin 4-1/2" x 4-1/4...
by Drkbp
Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:36 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Rob, It's much easier to see what's going on in that Brighton Beach race that began this thread by looking at the race summary and the engine displacements involved. A big help is they added the car numbers in the summary for this meet. I have attached the Brighton Beach August 1910 Race Summary bel...
by Drkbp
Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:55 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.
Replies: 75
Views: 5679

Re: August 1910. Ford re-enters track racing.

Great thread! However, there is an error in the newspaper or periodical "write-up" regarding the first discussed eight-car race above. Rob caught it but it is confusing if you are not familiar with the way the cars were classed. Instead of "261 to 300 cubic inches", the writer should have said "300 ...
by Drkbp
Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:41 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Calcium Carbide
Replies: 7
Views: 1118

Re: Calcium Carbide

I clipped the following add out of a 1904 issue of The Acetylene Journal, regarding the yield of a pound of carbide. At that yield, a pound should keep our T headlamps burning for about 2-1/2 to 3 hours using standard burners (3/4's). Knowing how much carbide to "charge" the generator for a certain ...
by Drkbp
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:56 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Old Photo _ Auto Shop
Replies: 14
Views: 1894

Re: Old Photo _ Auto Shop

Square front fenders, no bill. Early '09 T at left front of photo.
Great photo.
by Drkbp
Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:45 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Identifying correct coil box for early 1913
Replies: 28
Views: 2666

Re: Identifying correct coil box for early 1913

Colin,

Did the Canadian body manufactures "date/number" the bodies on the front seat base like the U.S.?

Ken P
by Drkbp
Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:26 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Lurker no longer - Now a 1915? Model T Owner - Body # questions
Replies: 24
Views: 2300

Re: Lurker no longer - Now a 1915? Model T Owner - Body # questions

Correct rear axle.
A number of quadrant variations could be found on this early of a 1915. Even a '14 style brass one.
Probably an original dash, bulb horn.
by Drkbp
Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:32 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Lurker no longer - Now a 1915? Model T Owner - Body # questions
Replies: 24
Views: 2300

Re: Lurker no longer - Now a 1915? Model T Owner - Body # questions

Congratulations Andrew, You may very well have a very early 1915 touring car. The wider/shorter tag appears to be the body tag and someone did you great favor when they tacked it on the seat frame! It was located on the left of the dash just under the cowl which has marked the tag upper left corner ...
by Drkbp
Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:57 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Gas Line Details For Headlights
Replies: 16
Views: 2038

Re: Gas Line Details For Headlights

Tim,
My mistake,
I should have put the whole photo up and an arrow to what I was talking about!
by Drkbp
Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:43 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Racing T 1911
Replies: 10
Views: 1361

Re: Racing T 1911

Those strip down chassis were an absolute rage of the day. The Ford weight/horsepower ratio made them an instant race car! Street plates, a horn and maybe a magneto right behind the radiator. Seems he removed the rear body brackets and front fender supports. Who knows what he had in the rear end? Ad...
by Drkbp
Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:38 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Gas Line Details For Headlights
Replies: 16
Views: 2038

Re: Gas Line Details For Headlights

Thank you for posting the photos. The setup looks great and the tee and sleeve have that "thick wall" look to them. The photo below is on the assembly line and the little brass hose clamps sure look small. They installed the gas headlight hoses in the radiators before they came down to the line. I u...
by Drkbp
Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:56 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Old Photo- 1910 Ford touring
Replies: 5
Views: 1135

Re: Old Photo- 1910 Ford touring

Appears to have a 1910 Ohio license plate.
Neat picture of an almost new car!
by Drkbp
Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:03 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: New Model T Times
Replies: 12
Views: 1929

Re: New Model T Times

The pilot holes, if any, were probably drilled in the "dash assembly room" where the men would know they were making a LHD or RHD dash. Factory photos show good access to both sides of the dash and the horn is mounted at that time. Otherwise, you would have unused pilot holes "showing" on the dash u...
by Drkbp
Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:04 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Headlight Gas Line Routing
Replies: 37
Views: 3664

Re: Headlight Gas Line Routing

If using carbide, you may want to run the rear gas line as discussed above when you get a chance.
Keeps the moisture trap at the splash shield hose.
Do you have the frame clamp?
by Drkbp
Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:08 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford Plant Glass Plate Negatives, Sleuthing Opportinity
Replies: 13
Views: 1829

Re: Ford Plant Glass Plate Negatives, Sleuthing Opportinity

I believe you are correct Jeff. That is probably Henry Ford and a young Edsel Ford taking a look at the construction from the new administration building. I thought about that yesterday when I flipped it. If you look at known photos of the two men, you will see the similar height relationship. Also,...
by Drkbp
Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford Plant Glass Plate Negatives, Sleuthing Opportinity
Replies: 13
Views: 1829

Re: Ford Plant Glass Plate Negatives, Sleuthing Opportinity

The last one in your first set of negs looks like stacks of aluminum transmission covers.
I made it positive so it can be seen better.
by Drkbp
Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:46 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Headlight Gas Line Routing
Replies: 37
Views: 3664

Re: Headlight Gas Line Routing

A number of years ago I made a new 44" long "gas lamp tube assembly, rear" used on our T's from July 1912 until the end of gas head lamps. If your 1912 radiator had gas tube holes in the side panels and a cross-over, you had the rear gas tube Larry started this thread about. For mid-1912 thru 1914 g...
by Drkbp
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:18 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford Motor Company blueprints. Questions and information regarding -M- Ford Special racer drawings.
Replies: 9
Views: 1197

Re: Ford Motor Company blueprints. Questions and information regarding -M- Ford Special racer drawings.

You posted two wood gas tank support prints. Both of them for modified frames (not straight). The second print above is the " Gas Tank Support Block " (an elliptical tank) for the 410 racer pictured below in Ford Times. It also looks like the tank/mount on the "existing" racer that Ford has I have s...
by Drkbp
Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:21 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford Special racer in France, another hill climb
Replies: 16
Views: 1688

Re: Ford Special racer in France, another hill climb

The Henry Ford/Frank Kulick factory "T racing" lasted about three years as laid out in " The Cars That Henry Ford Built ". Seems to also tie into what you are saying about Mardi Gras above Rob, but no mention of France or Spain. The point of all this seems to have been that Henry Ford wanted to ente...
by Drkbp
Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford Special racer in France, another hill climb
Replies: 16
Views: 1688

Re: Ford Special racer in France, another hill climb

David, I believe you are correct. Ford had a stable full of these cars and ran them in the "Hill Climb" and "Track Meet" type events in the classes where the Ford's fit. "Hill Climbs", "Reliability Runs", "Track Meets" and "Road Races" were apparently the attention getting events of the day and the ...
by Drkbp
Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:31 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford Special racer in France, another hill climb
Replies: 16
Views: 1688

Re: Ford Special racer in France, another hill climb

I think you are correct Rob. The first 1911 Algonquin picture you posted of Kulick, he is driving one of the smaller 176 cubic inch racers which has the engine and radiator in the normal position.The second Algonquin picture is the "New Racer" with the big engine: 389.9 cubic inch (in the June 1911 ...
by Drkbp
Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:43 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford Special racer in France, another hill climb
Replies: 16
Views: 1688

Re: Ford Special racer in France, another hill climb

Looks like Ford ran just four cylinder cars at both the 1911 and 1912 Algonquin. The "289.9" is apparently a typo in the 1911 article and they were running two four cylinder blocks of different displacement, 176.7 and 389.9 cubic inches. They opened up both blocks for the 1912 effort at Algonquin an...
by Drkbp
Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:38 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Ford Special racer in France, another hill climb
Replies: 16
Views: 1688

Re: Ford Special racer in France, another hill climb

I just read an article in the June 14, 1911, issue of The Horseless Age. Lanahan, Gruener and Kulick were running a hill climb at Alogonquin with what appears to be Fords of different displacements. It noted they were "special". https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015080110672;view=1up;seq=...
by Drkbp
Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:00 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Old Photo-Photo supply store!
Replies: 4
Views: 830

Re: Old Photo-Photo supply store!

Looks like a 1904 Autocar, lever steering version.
Dollar a pound!

Neat photo of the new car!
by Drkbp
Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:40 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Original Canadian 1912 Engine Casting numbers
Replies: 12
Views: 1333

Re: Original Canadian 1912 Engine Casting numbers

This is right about the time frame of the "B" blocks.
What was the question/wrong with the 146,808 for a 1912 car?
Since you have it apart and the crank was dated,
I am curious what the date is on the transmission stub shaft?
by Drkbp
Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:13 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: O.T. But interesting Shorpy Photo
Replies: 17
Views: 2301

Re: O.T. But interesting Shorpy Photo

Nice write-up in the "Cycle and Automobile Trade Journal" , for April 1, 1903, on the Pierce Stanhope and Pierce "Arrow". They were covering the New York Show, of January 1903. The Pierce Arrow, the tonneau, a much larger 15 H.P. car. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015024325998;view=1u...
by Drkbp
Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: Questions about Victor #2 Lights
Replies: 3
Views: 579

Re: Questions about Victor #2 Lights

Looks like there are four variations of the Victor tail lamps for 1913/14. The round little Victor No. 1, embossed lamp cap, incuse stamped cap and a three lens version of the Model 2 square lamps as you pictured above. Another thread you might have already read: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages...
by Drkbp
Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:18 pm
Forum: General Discussion Forum (started 2019)
Topic: OT - Old Photo - Pre T - Ford Endures - Home of Superman
Replies: 5
Views: 951

Re: OT - Old Photo - Pre T - Ford Endures - Home of Superman

Nice introductory article on the new Ford Model N, Cycle and Automobile Trade Journal, June 1906. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015068171399;view=1up;seq=180;size=125 On June 2, 1906, Henry Ford drove the author to Pontiac, Michigan, and back. It was a 49 mile round trip and the only ...