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Thanks Bill and Terry. This stuff I need is pretty small. Considered miniature. I need leaf chain, not block or roller chain, though. I’ll make it if I have to. I’ve gathered about 2’ already but need just a bit more. Bill, I would check with guys who built the quad already. I’ll bet anything some h...

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I’ll take those, Mike. Tmorsher@icloud.com Loved the oil can and brkt, great shipping!

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I’m looking for ANY 7D77120D-02D6-41FF-9DAD-3223D0F117B2.jpeg 4820AEEB-858D-451B-BC13-B3C943C4ED0E.jpeg length of small leaf chain. Can you check your junk drawers? Looks to be 1/4” pitch, leaf chain is similar to roller chain but thinner without the rollers. It can be the two outer leaves with one ...

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Formed, headed= cold punched. Same thing. I would think that would be a tough look to replicate in a screw machine. JMHO

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RV, I don’t have a print nor have I ever seen one, but I have had enough factory NOS nuts to do several sets of wheels. The ones I had were not made on a screw machine, I am certain of that. As Dan says, the threads were formed , not cut, and the nuts themselves were not machined , but formed, or he...

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I had a 2 hole bracket on a very original 4 hole frame. They likely ran out of old brackets before frames, and didn’t give a whif. Same frame had two sets of holes for when the firewall brkt changed, from wood to steel.

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Steve Lang shared this copy of the original decals inside their M-P country club station wagon. His originals are located on the header panel, where the driver can see them. As you can see , they overlayed them a tad to get them in the space. I made up some water transfer decals off his originals, a...

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How can you not love this wacky stuff!

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I wonder if that’s authentic or a fantasy item? Do you know?

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That’s a beautiful pic, Steve!

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Semaphores or trafficators were much more common in Europe. Not sure of the exact history, but I believe they were standard equipment for a long time. Not real early, either. I don’t believe they ever caught on much over here, but still a neat accessory item. I believe American ingenuity produced be...

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That’s a neat one, paul. What did it go for? Any better pics? Isn’t it amazing , so may wacky things back then. These were common peopleS dreams to hit a home run, make it big. Most all were flops.

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I had to check my memory, Jim. My brother sanded and masked his ‘65 mustang and actually got a pretty good paint job. Woh to those who let Earl do those two things. Earl would buy these weird colors by the 55 gallon drum. Lots of primary colors, off a bit from anything the factory’s used. I have mem...

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Very nice original pickup bed for Lizzie. $650. Located 44857 More pics on request. Tmorsher@icloud.com

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$19.95...... no ups, no extras !

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Beautiful Dan! Lotta ways to skin a cat.

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Great item, Mike. That will go quick. They come apart really easy, for packing in a box and may expand your sales. JFWIW

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As long as it goes through your shop vac first, you are good to go !

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Don’t get your shorts twisted , friend. Yes, a $1000+ cabinet with a good vacuum system, probably a $5000 compressor. I’ll do it safe every day of the week. I’ll hand him a $20, sometimes he takes it, sometimes he doesn’t. Even with a good dust collector system, I always wear a good mask. Yes, Mack,...

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IF your time is worth anything, IF your health is worth anything, paying someone to do it for you is the BEST investment you can can ever make. Costs less than buying the sand. Lots of small steel shops, machine shops, monument ( gravestone ) places all do it. It’s actually very dangerous to breath ...

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Here my 3 stooges model on my truck

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Here one that Dr. Rube Goldberg manufactured.

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Here’s one of my favorites. It’s on our taxi , made in California. The mounting bracket is T column shaped.

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It’s a shelf sitter for me. I’m interested more in the historical background of it. A license agreement, a pirate job, ?? It’s not a direct copy, and looks very well made, so I’m thinking the latter. The bowl is much better made than the Holley, and probably 1 lb lighter overall. Chas also used the ...

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I’d love to know the story behind this, a very well made carb from American Watchtool Co in Waltham, MA ..... Chas Metz had a connection with this company and also, of course, the Metz car company. I had thought American watchtool Co was long out of business by the time Metz was active in the Orient...

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I’ll take that! Tmorsher@icloud.com

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Tire display stand?

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These have been popular also. Extends the fill spout on Lizzie. Easy install on any T motor. Available in 3 finishes. All our items are %110 made in USA. ( The extra %10 is my sweat ! ) Tmorsher@icloud.com to reach me. 2F5A8001-AF7E-4D37-8238-5CDB60EC068E.jpeg CB976477-37C6-4477-9CB2-8CA6E84FFB80.jp...

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110% American made , 6 of these beauties on the way out the door. As you can see, still plenty in reserve. $165 ppd to your door, tmorsher@icloud.com to reach me. Not available anywhere else. Thanks!

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Terry, thanks! I may have had an ah,ha moment. I have so few anymore. I looked up a picture on Lang’s site, and they look like they come with a locknut. I probably melted the nylon when I welded the tab back on, causing my shaft to loosen by itself. Maybe also why the maker is putting a little teeni...

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Terry, the nut has a tab welded to it. Might be worth a try, though. You’d have to be careful not to melt the nylon when attaching the tab, and it needs welded on good.

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Brother Tom Strickling has a very nice original TT Not many around, fer sure

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The stooges would have had an old boxing glove in place of the cotton glove. Great truck, and they are only original once.

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A bit more Metz trivia. Really an amazing company with a leader , Charles Metz, on par with all the big auto names. A contemporary of Henry Ford and a good friend, I’ve read where Charles tried to get him to relocate to MA before he got so big. Charles idea of the “plan car” brought the Waltham comp...

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The Metz of the same era was made with wheels that easily reversed, making the auto a wide track or normal. Pretty great idea!

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I have those on everything, Terry and I generally like them. I have had an issue. The little tab inside on the shaft was barely hanging on by a poor weld. I caught it in time and fixed it, but could have made a mess. I passed that on to Lang’s, where I purchased them. Another issue, I do have one on...

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I have a nice one, too Joe

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I’ve been waiting quite a while to get these back from powder coat. Yesterday finally done. I have a half dozen to finish and send next week, so if any interest in one of these great accessory items, tmorsher@icloud.com $165 ppd to your door. Never get out and under again. A quick look at the red ba...

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Can you do the same thing with the blue in my first post? That goes to all the beautiful surviving vehicles

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Many thanks Bob!

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Ben Purkey retired as a school teacher in the PNW , and spends his time between Mexico and the PNW . About the time he started restoring a very rare early model A station wagon with a Martin-Parry aftermarket body, he started assembling this amazing website. I think about 10 years ago . Sorry I don’...

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A # 1, good Canadian friend. Deal with in confidence. It’s me you better worry about.

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Beautiful stuff! I especially like Don’s with the double flag. Can’t come up with the organization, any ideas? New Hampshire? Here’s about the last of mine. Need to start hunting again! DB147129-E29C-4222-BB4B-E6A5704C56C1.jpeg 154CD8DB-18E4-4BA5-B22B-A6A1746BC00E.jpeg 2635750F-0311-4E15-965D-B720EA...

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Steve, most primers are not a lot of protection from rust. If the primer you use is like that, I’d suggest to use some scrap paint also over the primer, and just where the new wood is going to touch. I keep black lacquer for that purpose. That will not cause any problems with about any final paint t...

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Great pics ! I agree on the excelsior headlamp. The Indian following is funny the other way.

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Joe Bell gave me one years ago, think I made a small batch that went to Lang’s. Pretty sure they make them now and carry it in their catalog. At least they did. Yours is worn out but easy to build up with some good bronze rod. They are a bandaid item, but could get you until your next rebuild.

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There’s always a discount if purchased with one of our other items.

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Here’s two beauties

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Craig, I would never presume to know the correct answer. Some are happy sending bare metal into a wheel shop for wood install. I wrote what worked for me. I’m happy to get them back with that tough powder coat between the spoke and bare metal. Unless the spokes are loose, that powder coat isn’t goin...

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I have nearly caught up with these day-nite gas gauges. If I haven’t gotten back to anyone that has reached out to me, I really apologize. I have gone though the list but a couple of names I cannot find return emails for. Again, apologies, and if you would still like one, please give it another try....

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Marc, there is a square wheel shop down that way, but when I go by, they don’t ever look very busy. Perhaps that is who actually did brass car guy dickery dock’s wheels and left the spoke out.

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I’ve had several private messages with people amazed at the pictures of the operation. What makes it impressive , to me at least, they are not in the grid. There are no power lines coming in. Many of the tools have hydraulic motors on them. The ones that are electrically operated , are done so by po...

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Thanks for the heads up, Dave. I’m way down on the list but at least I’m on it.

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Their relations own and operate huge sawmills in the area, but they have capabilities right on site, also. The area is fascinating, small family owned factories all over the farmland area. Cheese, chocolate, meat, wood wheels, what could be better? 6B12ABD9-00A5-48B1-9089-561942A1B59C.jpeg 00F5F3F0-...

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Since the thread is reference to Stutzman wheel shop in Baltic, Ohio , thought I’d share these pics. I’d guess any good wheel shop would be similar, but I don’t know. Need to mention, I’m not a shill for them, don’t intend to speak for them in any way. Just a happy customer after at least a half doz...

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So many variables when you talk of wheels. I’ve always considered their work a bargain, but hesitate to throw prices out here. This is what I need to do, and hope this set comes out as nice as Rob Heyen’s wheel shown. F4FC6C9B-8298-41E9-BB7C-0A9685CB2925.jpeg 9F344ABF-B718-47C3-A45A-C96CC39AEF7D.jpeg

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Another fav of mine. I was hatched in this little town. Turn of the 19th century , it was a huge manufacturing center, with many of the famous bicycle and then auto manufacturers having facilities there, including Garford, Overland and later Fisher body. General industries made important parts for t...

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IF you send him powder coated parts, as I described above, this is what you will get back.as you can see, the metal isn’t perfect, but is powder coated for a good driver quality wheel, that will last many lifetimes now. Henry’s wheels weren’t meant to last many lifetimes. If you send him rustygreasy...

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John, if that is a question directed at me, I don’t understand it. Now these are just my opinions. How I would do it. As I mentioned, sending powder coated stuff off to him would be ONLY for demountable rim wheels on a T driver. What you get back is a nice wheel ready for stain/varnish. I would not ...

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Thanks Ray, really appreciate it. T

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John, Ford bumpers are like the sets that Lang’s sell. Those come with stainless steel bars, which saves the chrome cost. They also have, or should have a Ford script medallion mounted in the center between the bars. Unless you find a set of original bars in fantastic condition, its doubtful you’d e...

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My original ford bumpers had a super large ford script rolled right into the backside of the steel bumper bars. It varied in placement, and was likely rolled into long bars or coils before being cut down, so IMHO those were certainly made by FoMoCo. Lots and lots of other companies made aftermarket ...

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These were commonplace after WWII , showing an honorably discharged veteran. I display this in honor of my dad, a WWII veteran. The tin litho one was often displayed with the initials of the owner. I have a well worn one somewhere I will post , as soon as I find it. 232989A0-03A5-4514-BEB9-0359AF9BA...

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I sure don’t understand why I get into these threads. I guess I’m a glutton for punishment. I believe Henry lowered them in a vat of black something and then spun the excess off. He also hosed the black paint on the bodies with garden hoses. And dipped most the rest in vats. He sure didn’t use rattl...

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That’s cool, Steve. Here are two more from the same guy, may make guessing who it is easier.

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I’ll bet you are right, Jeff. I actually found my 1927 date tag loose in an antique shop, and thought it “looked right”. I was happy when I got home, but I think you have confirmed that it is certainly right. I’ll have to look on the back. Oh, the days of this kind of quality are missed by me.

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So you are recommending bare metal to new wood?

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Great points, Walt. I generally find hub bolts need to be shortened from how they come back from Stutzman. I don’t think he peened the last set, but I may have asked him not to.

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Dave, they would take them about any way you send, but don’t expect a primed rim back . Unless your spoke is something unique ( teardrop, etc) they don’t need it. In my many visits there, I’ve seen new wood in whatever people send them. Here is what I’ve done. Rims and hubs sandblasted. You will wan...

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One of my personal favs. I got this from a good friend. It’s in a little rough shape , as am I

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A great friend sent these to me to add here. More beauties. Let’s see what you have out there! Maybe you can guess who sent these two. He’s very connected to both , through his lifelong love of a subspecies of Model T. 7A7516FF-90F6-4F82-B50B-D5F4A51CABE0.jpeg EF2A3186-ECBC-495D-A863-0D9E25721C71.jp...

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I’ve always wondering if Big Al had some involvement with this organization. Pay up, or else!

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Cleveland Ohio , well worn. Gifted to me by a long time car friend. I use this on a 1925 Ohio plate with a Cleveland metal frame. My dad was born in Cleveland in 1925

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As was this The Automobile Legal Association was started in 1907

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This was before AAA

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Dick, zip code didn’t start nationwide until 1963. That’s good to remember when you see old packaging, no zip, Made and sold before 1963

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Another , the date tag is interchangeable , similar to the first one. These are from adjoining counties in northern Ohio

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I don’t think this has changed. Most of us are as proud of our old autos today, as dad, grandad and great grandad were back when they were new. I love these period badges showing auto club affiliations. They are extra special when you find one with a special affiliation to where you live, or lived. ...

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Not much help on that one, Bob, but these may help on others. Print it out.

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Rich, I’ve had original gum rubber tube inside on coin op machines for 25+ years now. Inside, air conditi9ned, out of the sun. I’d say it would last a lifetime kept like that. For on an old auto, my guess would be that you’d get several years out of it, depending on use and storage conditions, of co...

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Thanks Stan, I thought the thread was just a bit off. 1/4-28 cleaned it up nice With no damage but next time I’ll do it with the right thread. Thanks for that info. I’ve alway got a kick out the special threads on some of these old things. My theory is it eliminated parts and/or tooling going home i...

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Yup, 14 actually. Paid $25 for it. I likely will never finish that one, but I’m still hoping. I’m waiting for old age

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If I was doing carbs, it would just be brass for me. The “miracle” metal, potmetal came soon afterwards, and that just takes the fun out of it entirely. I don’t think it’s too much drift to show what I do with RF Strombergs. I agree with you, Stan, they can be a real challenge. I ONLY buy them when ...

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Nicely restored pair of TT rear fenders, with mounting brackets. I’m using a TT bed with a different type so do not need these. $750 for the pair, I highly doubt a pair could be restored for that price. Tmorsher@icloud.com to reach me. Type shown in pic below. D1A0EDEA-F699-4C77-8E69-4B379EAED51C.png

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Great info, Stan. As you have mentioned many times, they made a boatload of them, as this bumpkin has had a wheelbarrow full go though here over the years. I can add, they offered 3 different styles of choke controls over the years, at least that’s what I’m aware of. The one we make now was the last...

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Thanks RIch, I believe you nailed it. I never knew they were such a big car.

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Joe, here’s a couple I borrowed from Lorin Sorenson’s book, “the Commercial Ford” The BF Goodrich truck is newer, but would make some great tribute art for the man in your life. D6069873-2005-4F51-AC55-0C5A7291FC63.jpeg 25140E73-4704-4452-B520-EF40DF25D297.jpeg E1B8E876-24E4-4A53-9C4F-EB6CE0B00B88.j...

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Could use some help with this old family photo. Pretty stout car.

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I’d be glad to get a bunch to someone that wants to supply people. Just holler. I don’t want to do it at a couple foot at a time. I would do that for someone nearby me, but wifey has enough keeping track of our other things.

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If this is it, it’s in the way. Let me know, Jerry Tmorsher@cloud.com

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I have one of these to assemble this weekend. Anybody else Interested? Lower price now, $135 ppd. Tmorsher@icloud.com to reach me. Thanks!

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I’m with you Jerry. Around here, it’s really THE old car thing we all enjoy the most. I just love to find a shady spot and watch old cars drive around for 3 days. Think positive, maybe next year!

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Art, here is the McMaster-Carr parts numbers. If you read up on the history of rubber, they started experimenting with adding material to change the durability of rubber very early on. From the original bits of it I’ve seen over the years, it’s swollen so much from age that a lot of 1/8” wall stuff ...

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The off white is $2.88/ft. The red is $2.80/ft. The red shown is shown for color, it’s a different size that I’m using for something else.

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Here is a great cut sheet, lots of wheel clamp and bolt info. This will help identify all those odds and ends.

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Here is another period ad, gum rubber acetylene lamp hose. 1925 catalog. This in red. By then they were starting to add compounds to increase the longevity, black in tires, red in hoses. I’ve put this out there, mr. Original, any rebuttal archival evidence that FoRd used acetylene welding hose origi...

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