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20241208_141129.jpg Currently in indoor storage in 19365, Pennsylvania. This trailer has better records than your Ferrari! Ordered new in 1980, always stored indoors (except, of course, when on the road). It has made 17 trips in its life totaling 14,990 miles. Full floor and enclosure frame fabrica...

Edited ad to correct quantity: 3 30 x 3 Firestones, ordered as spares and never used. Stored away from the sunlight in a garage their whole life. Date on the shipping sticker is 2013. $175 each or all three for $450. Delivery to Luray or local pickup at 17350 near Gettysburg, PA. No shipping for the...

As mentioned in the subject, I'm selling an assortment of very nice sheet metal that was purchased for a 1920 roadster project that never materialized. All of it is very much above average. There are a few photos below. Email or PM me through my profile with your email address and I'll send you a li...

Luray delivery available. These were takeoffs from a 1920 roadster project when they were replaced with a set of wheels correct for the year. Removed from a roadworthy car in the 1980's and in garaged storage most of the car's life (one-family ownership for over 90 years and put on about the 1940's)...

Back to top. Make an offer if you're interested. I'm happy to talk by phone. Just shoot me a PM or email. Thanks!

1909-early 1911 Square Door Hogshead (narrow). Likely a reproduction. Removed from a running car. Price: $850 + shipping. Please message me through my forum account for more details, or my phone number, so we can text or talk. Thanks! 20250331_205349.jpg 20250331_205428.jpg 20250331_205409.jpg 20250...

Here is a very nice Allen HCCT that I'm listing for a friend. It is currently located near Princeton, NJ. I'll be passing near there soon and, if it helps, I can bring it down near Gettysburg, PA. Local pickup only. No shipping. If you commit to buy and you'd like me to move it down my way, speak up...

Back to top -- very nice sheet metal here to make painting your project a snap. One piece or all -- let me know what you need!

Price reduced to $950

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These were takeoffs from a 1920 roadster project when they were replaced with a set of wheels correct for the year. Removed from a roadworthy car in the 1980's and in garaged storage most of the car's life (one-family ownership for over 90 years and put on about the 1940's). They'd look great on an ...

This radiator was removed from a running car and replaced by a new Brassworks unit. Filled with water with the bottom capped and nothing was spewing out. No guarantees on it, obviously. It dumped quickly when the cap was removed. Not the prettiest thing, but I believe it will get you down the road. ...

As mentioned in the subject, I'm selling an assortment of very nice sheet metal that was purchased for a 1920 roadster project that never materialized. All of it is very much above average. There are a few photos below. Email or PM me through my profile with your email address and I'll send a link t...

As seen in the attached photos. The frame is nice. It was blasted and painted 20 years ago and kept inside. There is a '26 - '27 front axle assembly and a common one. Common differential with axles but no driveshaft. '26 - '27 engine block that has had a crack repair, '26 - '27 transmission that loo...

The very first photo showing the Milby Hotel is Houston, though that specific building hasn't survived. The hotel on the right is still standing.

Too bad, it looks like the original building is gone but it is certainly the same spot as the building to the right still stands. I had to change the perspective to looking back the other way on account of the trees.

Mark & Richard, Tried to find Jim Starkey on the MTFCA members list, but didn't have a lot of luck so far. Can't get the list to sort by last name. His information is contained within the yellow attachment in this post: https://www.mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3182&p=24461&hilit=starkey#p24...

If you're interested in making a truly correct set of support rods you should contact the Benson Ford Research Center and order drawing number T-2640, or as they term it, "T-2640_12-07-1910_v2" which is the original drawing date. It is marked up by hand with a second set of dimensions and has all th...

Finally there is a special rainwater channel piece that is riveted to both the bottom glass channel of the upper glass and the top glass channel of the lower glass. There 2 pieces are shaped such that the rainwater that climbs up the slanted windshield lower pane will not be able to blow through th...

Lots of things point to 1910 -- the curved profile on the lower portion of the door, the style of radiator cap, the Jno Brown 60 sidelamp, and the buggy rail on the rear seat.

He has been checking in here with the thread that he started ten days ago: True, but his last post there was six days ago, hence my concern about a post that was about him, but not by him. I just posted it as a general FYI to those not following along. Many seem not to know that the OT forum even e...

He has been checking in here with the thread that he started ten days ago:

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=15553

All it takes is forgetting the first night there's a hard freeze. Not a T, but still a Ford, and ice does not discriminate! That's the second instance of this I have seen in recent years. Don't count on draining it saving your bacon either because many castings have pockets that won't won't empty.

Mark Gregush wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:52 pm
They are the same bolts that keep the cam shaft bushing in place.

Ha! Forgot about that -- now I don't have to draw it!

They are 7/16"-20 x 13/16" oal. I'm happy to take additional measurements if you'd like to duplicate them accurately.

It's always fascinating to me how removing a few thou from the high spots on a drum is supposed to be detrimental to the life of the casting, yet leaving high spots that can cause inconsistent heat input on something that is no longer concentric is preferable.

Good deal. I'm glad to hear that he found an irregularity, both measured and the same seen when resurfacing. Given what he found that makes me think the last machine was one of those where you run the head across the table by hand. It is very easy to create exactly the situation he described. Even i...

There is a saying about those single port heads -- there are thems that are cracked, and thems that will be.

Not trying to start a fight but I have question. Had a friend just delivered a car to New England by driving car not trailer. No was not a T , modern car. He called Pa, NY, and other New England states and was told that he had to have a Covid test papers that showed him neg no more that 72hr old or...

Do you have a surface gauge to hold a dial indicator? Even if you don't have a granite surface plate, that freshly Blanchard ground plate for your pan jig should be nice and flat. If you could flip the head over and set it up nice and level you might be able to get a better picture of what's going o...

Forgive me if I missed it because there is a lot of material here. Is the current surfacing job done on one of those machines with a grinding head that protrudes slightly above a flat table and, by hand, and operator works the head back and forth across the table? Those are very prone to human error...

marctee wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:51 am
How much is he charging a piece ? Shipping is a problem....$$$.

You should call and ask him as it depends on a number of factors. All-in-all, very reasonable.

I've been to his place a couple of times and in Noah's office is an impressive assortment of stuff. His exact words to me, "If it is round and made of wood, we will make it". For the early bicycle crowd he has even made wooden bicycle rims with an aluminum extrusion hidden inside such that when it i...

I had a set of wheels done for my 1912. I was most disappointed in the quality. Harold Musolf -- why do you post under this false name of "Dick Dock"? When last we visited this issue: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/506218/549158.html?1434157037 .... it was established that you farmed out this...

While I have seen these listed for sale as open valve lifter guides, I have only ever seen bronze guides in open valve engines.

Tim covered it all accurately. The one thing I do (if needed) is if there is any pitting to address on things like the rims or flange plates, I do the initial filler work and give it a light priming before I send it to them. It is much easier to do the sanding with the wheel disassembled so that you...

It depends on how nice you want it. You can use West System epoxy on the wood spokes (sand and recoat to desired level of grain filling) and then an automotive grade epoxy primer over the spokes and bare metal all in one shot; or you can West the spokes, etch prime the bare metal, and then automotiv...

Glad to help where I can. Yes, the reproduction hinges are junk. Good original hinges can be a little tough to find but they are out there. What are you doing for the support rods? The original were brass clad (not plated) steel tubing. I purchased the materials to do it but haven't gotten around to...

The standard Rands hinges shown here are made to work either vertical or offset with detents at each position. The "seal" consists of two brass strips running the length of each half, top and bottom, and they nest inside of each other without touching. The one shown in this photo is actually upside-...

This is a good thread on the subject. I hate to lift any of the photos from there and paste here since they belong to others: https://forums.aaca.org/topic/338576-beautiful-tow-truck-fire-emergency-conversions/ I'm partial to Lincolns converted for service and there were several. There is even a sec...

I've dealt with whitewalls that have browned and that is a completely different animal. Typically it will clean away with Bleche-Wite. At worst they can be wet sanded clean with 600gt sandpaper. I've not seen whitewalls that turn brown experience the inconsistent surface degradation of the rubber wh...

Susanne wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:35 am
No, it's real... the guy takes old european iron and modifies it.

In the comments of this blog someone asked if these are real and the owner of the blog states that these are "CGI" (computer generated imagry):

http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2018/09 ... again.html

Since you are a sucker for punishment, George, here are a couple more! Of the ones that had a white bead some were so sloppy that the white was just peeking out from the rim when installed. I don't remember being able to feel a step at the color change if that helps. The second photo is the all-gray...

SurveyKing wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:32 pm
Coker has Firestone Smooth whites. I just ordered a set.

Good luck! I should have pointed out that the grays I mentioned above were all smooth Firestones.

sweet23 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:53 am
Does bleach have any effect on cleaning browned tires back to white ?

I have not found a way to turn them white again using any of the conventional cleaning methods.

Hi George, I'm glad that you joined the discussion. I can't answer all of your questions but I can add to the confusion if you would like. The first set of whites that turned brown were turned back in for the warranty claim. The second set of whites that have now turned brown are on a car that I don...

What was that business a few years back concerning the type of tube used in the whites causing them to turn? Seemed pretty conclusive. The only thing that was conclusive is that they don't discolor until you inflate them. They can lay around wrapped, unwrapped, in the sun, or in the shade -- they w...

That didn't used to be the case. The white PJA's made 50+ years ago that you see today are still white. This one in the first photo is one I took last year on a car that is regularly toured. All of the PJA's that I have seen are still white, so it's not a matter of technology, it's a matter of a dec...

The photo was discussed in the past on the forum: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/822076/895984.html?1536492537 Worth mentioning: just because a photo of what appears to be the same car and gentleman is in the possession of the Minnesota Historical Society does not necessarily mean that the MN...

Taylor Daily Press, 25 May, 1924 -- makes one wonder if that Ford script is still up there hidden beneath that hideous facade:

406 Talbot St. in Taylor, Texas. Barely recognizable today but that is clearly the same textured block on the building to the right:

Thoroughly clean it with saturated steam and you can do whatever you want, though I would think in this case you could fill it with water, drain off just a tiny bit, turn it on end, and flow it shut real quick with your TIG using silicon bronze. Purging with inert gas is an option too, but I've neve...

Here it is today. A bit heavily reworked but still there in spirit: https://www.google.com/maps/place/100+N+Main+St,+Bluffton,+OH+45817/@40.8947359,-83.8900655,3a,75y,138.49h,90.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHpUGHwWyV1PqdnVT8ZrqFQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x883ebdcb6f78715d:0xec678fc1e6650d54!8m2!3d40...

Look at how nice all the tops fit.

It's hard to find much on them. They were selling Overlands in Bluffton, Ohio in 1915. In later years an outfit by that same name was involved in ventures other than automobiles.:

Walter, a couple of years ago I bought from Summit through eBay and the free shipping was automatic. Not sure if it still is but worth checking. Interesting. It never occurred to me to check eBay. Right off the bat I can't find a Summit listing, but Jegs has free shipping (not on the exact tire I o...

Summit Auto Racing usually has them for around $99 apiece. Free shipping on orders over $100. When is the last time you've known that to work? I placed a tire order with them last week and couldn't find a way to get free shipping, or perhaps the shipping is free, but there is a $19.98 "additional s...

A machine shop probably could have installed what's called a guide liner that would have been concentric with the seat. I probably would have left them in and gone that route if your wish is to get back down to standard. I'm not familiar with that threaded valve and hex retainer that you show.

Would you mind posting some photos? I also don't understand the retainers and adjusting nuts you have described. I'm going through an open valve rebuild right now and wound up using the 3052M valve from Lang's. It uses the modern retainer, which isn't terribly obvious and is a solid design. The real...

There are several era photos of early Torpedos / Open Runabouts that have one-piece spindles (as well as other early features).

The fenders on the car in the first photo are certainly T/OR fenders, as well as other parts.

Check for spark when it won't start. Perhaps the coil or condenser is getting hot. This is spot on and most likely right since you have gone the distributor route. A failing coil will mimic vapor lock (which shouldn't really be an issue here). When it gets hot output will be poor and when it cools ...

The actual engine temperature is a better gauge than the boiling point of Evans, which is about 40 degrees F above water. That is incorrect. The boiling point of water is 212F and regular green antifreeze mixed 50/50 is 265F. Taken straight from a bottle of Evans: "Evans High Performance Coolant (H...

I see no sign of the hub being cracked. My suspicion is that when the bearing tightened up that the inner cup started spinning in the hub. The bearing then continued to tighten pressing the bearing tighter into the cup and expanding it as it wore the hub. That would explain why it took a lot of eff...

Walter: No, I didn't misplace the decimal. I know it seems as if that would be the case. It did take quite a bit to get the old cup out, but the new cup drops in and you can visibly move it from side to side. I measured the bore with the T shaped bore gauge and caliper, and the cup OD with the cali...

If you spun the race and the hub is now 0.054 oversize I'm wondering why you had to drive out the old one. If you had said that it was 0.005 loose I would have said just reinstall with Loctite Sleeve Retainer. Any chance you got the decimal point in the wrong place?

I have experience using this in three non-Model T early cars -- a larger 1913 four cylinder as well as a 1904 two cylinder and a 1907 two cylinder. The 1913 lost its water pump and needs a new one fabricated from scratch, yet the car is usable otherwise. It tended to run hoter with Evans but didn't ...

Brandonav8r wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:03 am
What others should I investigate?

Wells Cargo.

You probably already know this but Mac Van Pelt is the best resource on these transmissions in terms of parts, online reference, and even help on the phone. His self-published rebuild manual is excellent and saves a lot of missteps. Don't get your fingers pinched!: http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web...

Crack it open and look. If it hasn't had oil put in it yet it won't be too messy of a job and if it's correctly done it will go back together easily and, if not correctly done.... it was going to come back apart, anyway!

Safe travels.

This is not a brake design that lends itself well to use as a service brake. Because the shoe is not anchored separately it puts a tremendous load on one side of that little brake cam (which is doing double duty as an anchor) when using it to stop a car that is rolling. That's to say nothing of the ...

Powder pros: Durable, covers all surfaces thoroughly without runs, not so prone to chipping, easy since it pretty much guarantees that you have to hire somebody else to do it. Much less labor if you're content with a blast-and-powder end result. Cheaper than equivalent quality paint job. Powder cons...

So what happened with the hogshead issue? Did I miss an update to that?

Don't overthink it. A film of anything will do it until you get it assembled and filled. Consider this though -- if you dip those bearings in oil and assemble it in a fixture with the unit turned in its side it's all going to come running straight down onto your shoes before you get it back down lev...

Yep, we are fortunate in that respect that we can usually get satisfaction without having to lodge a complaint that disappears into cyberspace through some automated program. That said, cutting something at 0.250 doesn't cost any more than 0.247. My suspicion is there were a lot of these made this w...

I am not a machinist nor do I pretend to be, but it seems that even someone untrained like me should be able to take a reasonably good pair of dial calipers down that slot and measure the same width throughout. That’s not the case here. I don’t know how this is possible on something that you would ...

Thanks to Scott for the kind words. Some know that I Iost more hair sorting through this recently. The nice thing about the axles you're using is that they are consistently wrong and the outer keyway seems to be the only real issue with them. In all other respects they are pretty nice. I tried a set...

I have taken to milling the axle to my liking. If the keyway in the hub is a bit loose you can even get standard "oversized" key stock from McMaster and sweeten up the fit a little more yet. Being a light tap fit is ideal but not to the point it is necessary to pound them. That is asking for trouble...

The 39 tooth ring gear is noticeabley thinner, and causes the gear teeth to intersect with the bolt holes. And it is not uncommon to grind down a few bolts to clear the pinion either. I do not believe that this is the failure mechanism tho. Once the bolts fail...the ring gear is at the mercy of fat...

Look at how the tooth root is gashed into some of the bolt holes. Is it deep or does it just look worse in photos than it really is? On a standard 40-tooth gear they don't do that. Is the fillet at the root sharp? Do you think the problem originated at the hole near 12-o'clock that appears to be tor...

This is perplexing because the 12 touring column tube is 23 1/2 and if it was 25 1/2 like the 12 torpedo, the steering wheel would be pressing against my lap. As it is now the steering wheel is so close I have to spread my legs to advance the timing. As the column gets longer, would that not raise ...

Using the same standard to measure that you are there, my '11 Torpedo column tube is 29-1/2" and my 1912 column is 25-1/2". It seems that you have the correct column in your '12 Torpedo and an incorrect column in your '12 Touring.

There was more than one manufacturer of tops and the variation might be attributed to that. The back windows look like they have the corners clipped which I think is an '09 feature. I also thought locking irons on roadster tops was an '09-only thing but have never seen a definitive answer on that. S...

Glad to hear you sorted it out quick, Terry. Did you go ahead and backup your emails to another drive in the event this happens again? I still need to do that myself while things are stable so I can do it on my own terms rather than be under the gun if a catastrophe hits and I might be coming to you...

Start with reading these: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/download-email-yahoo-mail-third-party-sln28681.html https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN5033.html I've had a Yahoo account for 20 years and need to do this myself. It's a lousy system that I only use for junk registrations anymore. You won't miss it. Befo...

I got a set of 28-29 original wire wheels and i got new hub caps , and i cannot seem to be able to put them on ,i have vent the clips on the edge but no go, any sugestion ??? thank you Lorenzo Let me guess -- did you buy the stainless caps? The tabs on the ones I used weren't formed quite right and...

So not to nit pick, but the word "hack" comes with a lot of awful connotations and that's the word we keep seeing thrown around with this stuff. Hacks result in personal information being stolen, bank accounts being emptied, etc. This is really "spamming" (the digital equivalent of junk mail), right...

Susanne wrote: ↑
Fri May 15, 2020 5:39 pm
Heat the gasket up to red, then quench it - exactly the opposite of steel, quenching copper will re-soften it.

With copper whether you quench it or leave it to air cool the result will be the same.

I'm sure the admins will do a fine job resolving it.

I just now got a third email as shown below. I tried to contact the admins by way of the "Contact us" button above a couple of hours ago and my own message came back to me. Admins: you've got something screwy going on. The most recent one came through with the name of a known forum member. Two examp...

On the left is an early '11 Open Runabout with one-piece front spindles and other such features.

Guessing on the setting is not necessary. There is a formula for this and, easier yet, a few online calculators out there:

https://belknaptools.com/extensions-calculator/

Yes, I agree. Attached are photos of two square door's side-by-side, both originals. The one marked "2" (like Kim's) came off a 3,000-numbered car and is likely original to it. The one marked "1" was bought as a loose part and its serial number is not known. I had looked over both very carefully and...

Perfect! Thanks for the link to that. When I did my own searching it didn't come up.

Simple as that. I'd like to hear from anyone with actual hands-on experience in the matter. One-piece engine pans run close (and this is an original, not a fake). Are there clearance issues with the counterweights, etc? Thanks.

Forgot to add if this unit is correct for a 1912, what is the Center distance from one base hole to the next? I’m hoping it’s 6”. Thanks! I have a 3-foot unit that does not have a tag on it. In all respects it looks identical to other early Browns that I've documented (originals, not reproductions)...

My understanding is that brass era Brown and Corcoran generators are nothing alike in their general appearance other than being dimensionally the same. I recognize what Mike posted as a brass era Corcoran -- round base and cam clamps. Jno. Brown had a cast base with three feet and wingnuts for clamp...

A narrow hogshead is 16" across this area and a late aluminum one is 16-1/4". I can't see how the flywheel is an issue. Even the front-to-back thickness of the two different flywheels is the same.

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