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Jimmie: There's info in this older post regarding your question, http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/257047/288967.html?1337040880 and the short answer here: "Assuming the starting motor is operating properly on 6 volts it should draw 70 amps free running, 150-160 Amps cranking engine and 450 Amps ...

Greg: Your measured value of 0.3 ohms is reasonable and I'd be comfortable using your switch. If you check the resistance by placing both probe tips on the polished blade portion of the switch (eg, place black probe tip next to red probe shown in second pic), what is the resistance reading? I doubt ...

Have you tried bigflats rivet co? Jim is very knowledgeable and very helpful, prices are reasonable. http://bigflatsrivet.com/ I suggest a phone call to verify stock availability. Like adam, I have used aluminum pop rivets for this task. I recommend epoxy and rivet for the paper insulators if those ...

Thanks again, Scott. jb

Thanks Scott. So if someone follows the setting recommendations on pg 28 of Nov-Dec 2020 Vintage Ford will the engine run poorly? If so, I expect some are going to follow bad advice and be disappointed.

What is the recommended float setting for these full flow viton valves? Is it the original Ford recommendation of 15/64" below the machined bowl gasket surface or the 1/4" below the unmachined carb body as shown in the latest VF? Or doesn't it matter? Thanks, jb

Oh Steve, I'm so sorry, with Ron the Coilman, John Regan and so many others here over the years imploring us to never use acid products on electrical work, I assumed we were all inoculated against this practice years ago. First of all, do NOT attempt to 'remove' acid with muriatic or by the addition...

Herb: Thanks for posting, I share your timeline. First heard about Hershey in '60's, made first visit in 2004. Those shots to the north of the airstrip and high school look like open country all the way to Canada! And one of the follow up vids of Hershey 2012 is pretty good too. jb

Wrong link, indeed! Thanks, Chris. My intention was to reference Martynn's drawing from our forum archives. app.php/gallery/image/63 I think it's the same as the one you show. Best, jb

Does this help?
https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18224
Use this link (corrected 01/09) app.php/gallery/image/63

Steve: I haven't done double stack but I would use the washer if I were doing it, more as a cushion when coils are pressed against the back of the stator, PROVIDED the paper washer does not move the coil face too close to the magnets. I'm kinda a belt with braces guy when it comes to this. I'm sure ...

Randy, Thanks for posting that drip gas information. Here’s a little more info copied from Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-gas_condensate#:~:text=Drip%20gas%2C%20so%20named%20because%20it%20can%20be,gas%22%2C%20%22raw%20gas%22%2C%20%22white%20gas%22%20and%20%22liquid%20gold%22. “Some ear...

I measured single stack copper ribbon at 3/16" x 0.013" about equivalent to 15 gauge round copper wire which has a published resistance of 3.184 Ohms per 1,000'. 192' would have 0.6113 Ohms resistance. If the double stack is different cross section, the resistance differs inversely with cross sectio...

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Ryan: I used McMaster-Carr p/n 7574a11 High temp fiberglass cloth with silicone adhesive. With all the work involved, I would not skimp on this part of the project. That tape is good for -100F to +500F and oil resistant. I split 1/2" width tape with a boxcutter blade attached to a guide laying the r...

Jonah: Here are some links that should help you. Follow your parents’ internet browsing guidelines. Everything I’ve viewed appears safe and legit to me. Some of this might have already been identified by others on our forum. This one might already have been recommended, 1926 touring top discussion a...

RV: Has the Coil Documentary article you were working on 2018 been published? I feel this information presented in the format of the recent HCCT book would be of great value and interest. Thanks, jb

Ron covered this in 2012, see Scott's link for additional info, "Assuming the starting motor is operating properly on 6 volts it should draw 70 amps free running, 150-160 Amps cranking engine and 450 Amps stalled pushing 12 pounds of torque. Model T battery cables should be 1/0 with soldered (not cr...

600F is about 1,500 psig, that might be a tad high for the model T.

A term used in Ireland to describe an unknown item is "yoke". I've heard it used in reference to an entire car, as 'how many miles on the yoke?', and by mechanics, as in 'this yoke secures the petrol cap'. ymmv

My father's '51 Chevy Powerglide and his '62 LeSabre. My '01 S-10, and '72 Skylark. And since we are about to dump everything that was bad along with the entirety of the year 2020, I hope to never have any association with the terrible '86 caprice sw we inflicted on our family when our children were...

Jonah: If you are worried there won't be fuel available, I suggest worrying about other stuff first. To answer your question, with appropriate carburation, the model T engine like other low compression SI engines will run on a variety of liquid and gaseous fuels. IIRC, the first IC engine was based ...

I'd try Evaporust. Make a shallow wood trough that just fits the hinge side of the hood, line with heavy plastic sheet (construction grade trash bag material) and soak the two hinges. If successful, open sides and repeat with center hinge. Others may have better ideas, jb

Richard: How much endplay in the crankshaft? Does the crankshaft fan pulley move forward/rearward when you have your helper engage/disengage the clutch lever? (Obviously with engine off and wheels blocked.)

Sorry for the OT comment, but my experience may explain all the delays in shipping. I ordered a desk from Amazon in early Oct (2020), it was to arrive in early Nov. UPS delivered it yesterday, 12/22/2020. This morning I received an upbeat e-mail in Chinese flavored English from the manufacturer tell...

I wouldn't spend the $$, see footnote:
Will this tester test for double sparking?
No it will not check for double spark or check the capacitor.
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I would follow Mike's guidance. Grey with green stripe is correct for '26 coupe and the headliner grey matched the upholstery grey. Using lesser quality material or mismatched colors does not save you any work, but the choice of colors and fabric is totally up to you. Enjoy the ride! jb

Glad you were successful, I second the Milwaukee drill recommendation. I've had excellent service from their 'conventional' twist drills, which are easily hand sharpened on a fine grinding wheel without any jigs or fixtures. A sharp drill and reasonable speed and feed will produce good results. And ...

Gary: they are uniform cross-section, curved pieces. There's another post on the same topic going on now, you might find that useful.

Here's an older post that should answer your question: viewtopic.php?t=12178&p=91980&hilit=door+sag

Some excellent pics here: viewtopic.php?t=12178&p=91980&hilit=door+sag

Gluten Free deserves a footnote, as the wheat straw filler in the Fordite steering wheel rim would violate that claim, but personally, that would not concern me. I agree with Richard, the liquid would be preferable to tablets. Is it available as a patch? Happy holidazes to all, jb

Scott: My coupe is 13,606,xxx close date to yours, and mine was channel green, fwiw. You can get 'free' cloth swatch samples from the vendors, for a better idea of color and texture. I believe those samples are from Cartouche. https://www.modeltford.com/item/SAMPLE-T1.aspx I'm sure Mike Francis at C...

Followup to Mark's statement, you should be able to insure the unregistered vehicle under your homeowner's/rental policy, which is generally very inexpensive. Typically these policies cover aggregated personal property up to a certain value. You might need to increase the level of coverage to includ...

On my '26, the pans mount from the bottom as described by Dan Treace, jb

If it looks like a fat shoelace, it's the lacing that riveted to the cowl where the hood sits. It forms the cushion between the hood and cowl and it's a bear to replace as George attests. There's similar lacing on the radiator shell that is 'woven' thru the holes in the edge of the shell where the h...

Try prying up the back of the top bridge mount to lower the current value. IIRC the Primary coil inductance should be ~ 3 mH, so the value
given seems reasonable. jb

Thanks, Frank, I made a tube, just need to make the clamp. Best, jb

To Frank: Sorry for thread drift, but do you have a pic or description of the 'J' bolt used to secure the overflow pipe to the body? Thanks, jb

Bruce; I use a small pipe wrench on the tank fitting and another small pipewrench/large channel lock on the bulb. I added some penetrating fluid (50-50 mix of acetone and auto transmission fluid) to my dry, empty tank and also to the outside threads several weeks prior. If you don't use the second p...

Thanks, Scott. jb

Scott C: Beautiful rims and wheels. Do you mind telling us the cost of the split rim with shipping and customs charges delivered to you? I see they retail for $200 AUS. Are these the only source for new split rims? And the time for delivery? Thanks, jb

Headliner installation is much simpler if done before the top is installed. jb

I purchased some 26 coupe patch panels on e-bay from Mac's and they arrived from Florida within a week. I have no affiliation whatsoever with Mac's, and your experience may be different. jb

Wasn't this discussed back in early Oct? In reviewing that series of posts, this 2008 article by Jeff Humble answers the question: By Jeff Humble on Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 11:51 am: When I replaced the glass in my 26 coupe I removed the regulator first. Robert's method sounds good too, but t...

Scott: Classtique has an excellent reputation. jb

Greg: Don Booth is a good source of information on the Improved cars. Have you tried to determine if the body/frame has sagged, causing the symptoms you observe? You may already know, there are wood blocks supporting the body sub frame on top of the chassis frame. I'd check for a low point at the bo...

William: You may have already found a source for the reprinted book, here's one example. I have no affiliation of any kind with this seller. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Ford-Methods-and-the-Ford-Shops-9781375747356/481173018?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&adid=22222222222159795587&wmlspartner=wm...

William: There is a lot of information here: https://books.google.com/books?id=TcAqZt9U4gQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=ford+methods+and+ford+shops&hl=en&ei=HgBxTZB9iPqwA-OR3MML&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false The book is a classic Industrial Engineering time st...

Does the T screwdriver have a steel hex cap set into the end of the wood handle? The driver I have looks like the T driver in the pic, has a wood handle with steel hex end and it's a solid part of the square driver shaft. This seems to be a good feature for sensing the spark voltage when using the s...

Chris: Beautiful Coupe. Coupe color for '26-'27 in the States was 'Channel Green' and yours appears to me to be that color. Drake Green is slightly different, perhaps the engine color is Drake, but I've also heard 'Moleskin" as an engine color for the improved T engines. There have been numerous pos...

Tom: I have always associated these 'Bemis' heavy canvas feed sacks for projects like yours. The material is more durable and less itchy than burlap, although burlap may be a fine choice, it's your car after all. There are a lot of these sacks shown on e-bay, some less expensive and more rustic than...

Ron, Thanks for the Model T technical help you have provided me and many others, I hope you move goes well. As for the weather, I think you are moving from wicked summertime conditions to one of the most perfect spots in the galaxy. Safe travels, jb

Joerg: My experience using original Ford 3966 shaft and 3962B hub with 2 modern replacement bronze bushings 3974B was the bushings (after reaming the bore) allowed just enough endplay for the 3983 felt oil seal, and once assembled there is no front to back movement of the fan on the axle. That felt ...

From the cited article:
"IC not SG3524. Subsequent experimentation to reconstruct the regulator on a breadboard revealed that unfortunately the IC is not an SG3524. Trying an SG3524 in the actual FP voltage regulator was not successful either"

fwiw, jb

The description says for use with two brush generators only, so I would say not for model T 3-brush generator.

But if it was intentional, was it a mistake? I like steak! jb

These drawings help with Q-2 & 3. The original eccentric was a 'worm & wheel' arrangement where the bottom bolt threads engaged the outside circumference of the eccentric. With the nut loose or removed the bolt is turned to tighten the fan belt. Then the nut is tightened MODERATELY and cotter pin in...

Noticed the tire pump fitting lost some threads in the modification process, which would concern me. I'd suggest using a discarded tubeless tire stem with core removed, screw it on the original hose fitting, and then using the stem as a guide carefully drill out the center of the hose fitting. Just ...

The unsolicited advertising and misinformation in some vids bothers me more than seeing a little dirt. I appreciate any well meaning person taking time to video a shop procedure and then share it on the forum. The dirt is often an unavoidable part of the process, and wearing gloves or 'washing up' b...

Good article, Steve. I'd add the size of the front wheel bearing cone and the stop nut and the rear axle nut. I've changed front wheels with a channel-loc plyers or adjustable wrenches ( it woldn't hurt to have a few spare cotter pins, which we should always carry, just in case). The adapter for the...

Here are a couple of relevant articles by Ron Patterson:
https://modeltfordfix.com/adjusting-the ... patterson/

https://modeltfordfix.com/the-model-t-f ... patterson/

Kudos to Mark! That Gatley mill on the right of the sawmill in the last two pics sure looks like the drum in the original 'thresher' photo. In the bottom pic we see the rotor with the screen removed and laying on the floor in front of the mill. If that mill processed sawmill waste, it could certainl...

Mark: My Model A buddy found this link giving more history of the Badger Company. From the old photos and advertising on the buildings, it appears they were significantly involved with Ford vehicles early on. I suspect the hitch is their doing, and aren't those model T wheels on the wagon? As for th...

Thanks for all the info, I'm not finding much historical data on the Badger Co, but that's ok. Thanks also for the hitch pic, that hitch would be a fine accessory item. jb

Great Pic, but I don't think that's a threshing machine on the wagon. There is no shaker or separator, just an elevator /collector at the base of the drum. To me it appears to be some kind of mill, likely a hammer mill. Anyone have any info on this or the Badger company advertised on the unit and on...

This is a pretty good article: http://www.funprojects.com/pdf/The%20Mo ... rt%201.pdf

Bruce: A plastic bag often requires less Evaporust/less cost to soak a small part that might require a large container. I've placed parts in a bag with Evaporust and then set that bag in a bucket of water to 'support' the bagged part. It's a little messy but makes the ER go further in my experience....

Jonah: Read the Model T Joke thread below, it's a very factual answer to your inquiry. jb

Eric: What proportions molasses:water do you use? Thanks, jb

I've seen a similar product called 'Rustbeeter' that is made from sugar beet byproducts. At the time it cost about the same as Evaporust. From time to time there have been discussions here regarding the use of blackstrap molasses-water solutions to remove rust. Raw molasses is acidic, so the molasse...

Darel: Wow, good for you. Say, if you aren't playing lottery this week, would you mind sharing your numbers with me (in a private msg)? Drive careful, jb

The venders cannot ship parts to us if their suppliers aren't providing parts to them. I think some vendors have removed some items from their catalogs because suppliers don't provide the stock. I was pleasantly surprised with the service and sheet metal parts availability from the e-bay sources. At...

Is that a model T at about 10:57? It's only there for a couple seconds.

Interesting video, thanks for sharing. jb

Jonah: You may know this already, but you do not typically need to replace the actual steel band, you remove them and replace the band lining that contacts the drum surface. The fabric (or bentwood) lining is often referred to as the 'band', which isn't quite a complete a description. As for finding...

Bruce: On my '26, there are two screws securing the molding at the top of the door, one near each top corner. I haven't taken it apart yet so cannot verify everything, but I assume the window molding at the bottom of the window overlaps the ends of that U-shaped top piece and may hold it in place. I...

Bruce: At some point I need to do this during my '26 coupe restoration so the topic is of considerable interest to me as well. Too bad John neglected to post links to the trove of relevant information he found. I used the same key words and came up with little information specific to your request. O...

Hi Jonah: Welcome to the Model T world, I enjoy your posts for their honest enthusiasm and curiosity. I support what others are saying, get books/CD's etc and read as much as you can about the model T. As you already know, there's a lot of info on the web too, some of it is excellent, some requires ...

If the cracked one has no value, weld it up with a Nickle alloy rod, anneal, remagnetize and see if it will hold the magnetism. Might work, and be less challenging to a capable welder/machinist than making new? from scratch, particularly if both appearance and function are important.

If this has not already been preserved in the forum archives, I suggest doing so. It's valuable information and an excellent presentation. Thanks for sharing, jb

I read an account of 2 railroad workers in the day driving their model T service vehicle to a remote area to work. At the end of the day when they returned to the parked T they discovered the needle valve leaked and the T lost all the gas while it was parked and they worked elsewhere. They allegedly...

Ring gear bolts are on the small end of the pinion. jb

There's sufficient metal to metal contact through the grease to light the lamp. The grease helps reduce oxidation of the bare metal adjacent to the contact points so the bare metal to metal connection is preserved, and so you can get the thing apart after its been exposed to the elements for some ti...

Brass solder, definitely. jb

Have you verified the Ford coil being tested is fully functional? If so, have you checked the 'spark' circuit, the ring to frame insulation, and the ring to coil secondary connection? And the coil box bronze spring terminals and wiring connections. Thanks for sharing photos, you will have this fixed...

For the repair, I would remove the shaft, bevel the cracked surfaces, leaving just a mm or two touching near the edge at the shaft hole and braze it. The hole will likely need to be reamed after the repair. Check for a bent shaft while it's apart. Good luck, jb

There's a lot of useful information in this discussion, thanks for sharing. And it is one of the most civil discussions of this topic ever. Thanks MTFCA!

Frank: That's a good article. If you knew values of the parameters for Model T flywheel, driveshaft and crankshaft, wheels, etc the calculator programs in the article would answer your questions. I think the common sense summary at the end of the article is worth reading. There is an effect, and exc...

Jeff: That failed brazed joint appears to me to have been made with a minimum of heat, all the brass is on the outer surface, none has flowed into the joint gap, making it a weak, fatigue prone mechanical joint. I suspect this was intentional to insure none of the brass seeped inside the manifold wh...

Adam If it's just a couple of cracked bows and the other wood is solid, then repair the damage and move on. More commonly, there's a bunch of rot in the frame and IMHO it's better to replace all the wood than muck around with epoxy etc to try to fix it. Someone mentioned your woodworking interests, ...

And it looks like a wide brake band lining on a pre '26 band? Good luck with your repairs, Patrick. jb

Thanks for all the information. Willie obviously missed or totally misread this thread. jb
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Post by Willie R » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:02 pm

Is it just that time of year or is the Model T forums dead ?
Seems no one is alive in the hobby expressing any enthusiasm or interest in helping others.

Work some of that red bearing grease into the flutes of the drill bit and drill slowly. The grease will capture most of the chips.

I always clean the contacts with alcohol or carb cleaner, something that was recommended here on the forum a number of years ago. jb

RV Where do you get those? Thanks, jb

Bob: They are reproductions made from 4140 steel, heat treated to Ford specs & surface ground, and are Ford dimensions EXCEPT 1/16" longer. They have a laser-etched trade mark, "GN" inside an oval mid-length on the axle. The portion inboard of the gear keeper is a slip fit on the gear so it's easy t...

Frank: Take a look at the Vowellart Image link in my Aug 30 post above. Over tightening the fan belt might have contributed to the failure shown in the original post. The modern rubber belts do not stretch as easily as the original leather belts, and if over tightened they do not relax/stretch like ...

I have re-keyed original cylinders, that's simple if you can find the correct old stock parts. (The original barrels varied in the location of guide for the slot in the key, the original tumblers exchange universally in original cylinders as far as I know.) The biggest challenge I faced was finding ...

Don: Do you have more information on the National Automobile Service Corp.? My '26 coupe had one of those badges on it when I bought it. Thanks, jb

My guess is those lock washers were used to move the fan closer to the radiator and/or to improve fan belt tracking. jb

Looks like an acrylic casting with original coil components, acrylic castings were very popular 'artwork' in the 1970, not that this one would not function. The cracking visible is common in 'old' acrylic pieces. IMHO, Acrylic would be a poor choice for coils in improved cars exposed to higher opera...

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