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It's great to hear that there is at least on reputable car transport service available. The other ones that I have contacted have been serious clowns searching for suckers and easy money while providing very minimal service if any at all. Thanks for this recommendation.

I haven't heard any update on my order so wondering about the present status.

Cheers ..... Joe

If the window framing kit is what I have, there are 4 pieces of wood. The horizontals are curved slightly differently to match the rear body panel. Have to test each one to see which is top or bottom. The verticals are straightforward ..... or I think they were when I did that job. They go in front ...

This is a truly terrible disaster that is crushing thousands of people. The amazing aspect of these situations are the incredible people that show up and who step up to try to make things better any way they can. No group better that the old car gangs who seem to naturally reach helping hands out at...

Many thanks for these pictures, Bruce.

They are there to hold down the end of the windlace .... at least I think that's what I'm looking at.

You have solved one of the mysteries haunting this old car. Only 11.6 million more to go and I'll be on the road.

You're much appreciated,

Joe

Those are the mystery critters - same screws in identical locations.

There was no material remaining on mine but they were proud of the surface so I figured that something has rotted away so probably holding some kind of material.

Many thanks for this help, Bruce.

Joe

Thanks for the thoughts, fellows. This hobby sure has endless mysteries and discoveries. A kick plate is excellent thinking but there is only one screw in each doorway. No more are present along the bottom. There is sort of a kick plate in each doorway - the imprint might be seen towards the center ...

Have found a couple of screws located at the bottom rear of both door openings on our 1927 Tudor.

No idea what purpose they had - does anyone have an idea what they were doing there?

The pictures didn't get added to my previous post - sorry about that.

Here's the original block and the measured location ..

That's a really helpful post, Dan, and thanks for digging this up for me.

The pictures should get me where I need to be so I'll now go spend time with the printouts, the blocks, and the rusty metal.

Much appreciated to all for this interesting trip around the blocks.

Joe

This little article seems to direct the tiniest block to somewhere near the front body mount. Interesting that the tiny blocks are anchor points for the splash aprons so that should locate the little blocks.

Here's one of the little blocks forward of the front body mount.

Good day, I have an excellent wood block set to install on the 1927 Tudor but have some confusion with the pieces of this puzzle. No picture on the box so I don't know where all the pieces have a home. Blocks #1 are fitted to the rear body mount location. Long block #2 fits under the front seat moun...

Wow, I'm surprised that there are so many large and small differences between fenders. I'm going to get my 2 front fenders out and compare them with each other to see if they even match each other. What a can of worms to sort through - or maybe just bolt on a replacement fender and call it close.......

I'm hunting for a front left fender for a 1927 T and have been offered a fender from a 1926.

Anyone know if this will be a matching fender for the '27?

Many thanks,

Joe

Rats, I got excited there for a minute but I need the front left. The quest continues.

My front left fender has seen much better days so I'm looking for a good replacement.

Shipping will be to Arkansas or can be picked up if close by.

Many thanks,
Joe

Thank you for this link, Dan. It's a great start on ending my confusion and, hopefully, getting the roof on right.

I have purchased a wood roof kit for our 1927 Tudor but have come up with some questions before being able to move ahead with the assembly and installation. Do I treat the raw wood to preserve it? Is there any preparation needed on the steel body parts where the wood is to sit? What fasteners do I u...

John, you got my thinking straight on the ease of changing things down the road if desired and I appreciate that.

Joe

Thank you, John.

They do just screw in so I can switch them over if I want to adjust the height of the seat - so that's my new plan.

Joe

Just picked up the front legs for the front seats in the Tudor and noticed something interesting/confusing. The legs are actually 2 different lengths. Not sure if this is to adjust between a tall driver and a short passenger and vice versa or maybe legs from 2 different years? Any idea which seat ge...

Chris - your description is a perfect match for what I have seen during my searching. The horizontal stitching on the door cards doesn't demark a change in material used but rather serves to hold the single panel of seat material from sagging. Jeff - I am starting to think that the confusion may be ...

Thanks for that info, Jeff. It confirms what I've heard about the matching material. I've come across the suggestion that the door material is the same as seat material but only up to some height where it might have changed to a different material. I haven't come across any photos or descriptions th...

I'm trying to sort out some confusion on the Tudor door panel finish. Most Ts that I’ve seen have a single material used from top to bottom which makes the replacement simple. However, new information indicates that there was a split in the materials used with the bottom portion the same material as...

I'm still working on the wiring for this 1927 Tudor but the body isn't ready to go on the chassis. In the interim, I've constructed a wooden firewall that holds the wiring and a small temporary gas tank so the engine can be operated and, hopefully, I will be able to wobble up and down the street. My...

These shelves have become real hen's teeth. I'm looking for a pair for a 1927 Tudor, if anyone comes across a stash of these.

Thanks, Joe

Aha, the devil is in the details.

Great to see you back!

These look like they will work out well on my 27 Tudor and I've sent you a note about them.

Joe

Many thanks for the reminder. I had great intentions but life got in the way and the ballot was just left sitting. Great work to get me moving, Rachel!

Hi Matt in California, Love the concept and wish you luck on pulling this off. The only problem I can see at the moment is the line of rotation. Your mounting points will put the center of gravity too low making the assembly top heavy. If you check the engine stand picture posted by ABoer above, you...

Hi Bruce, This must be really frustrating and I suspect that living with this issue really isn't going to work for you. There has to be a solution to this challenge. If the channels are tight, there won't be much room for the glass to tilt during its travel I'm thinking. Does the glass actually tilt...

Bruce, I have recently gone through the struggles of installing Tudor door glass so have a lot of sympathy for what you are going through. I'm no expert and am actually avoiding doing the back seat windows after all the "fun" that I had with the first two. Can you determine if the glass is actually ...

You will be sent on the right path with

http://www.modelt-tips.com/

These fellows live Model Ts and know what they are talking about.

I just got my copy and it is much better than advertised. High quality printing and sharp pictures. A really nice product.

Thank you, Dan,

Just ordered one of these large format manuals from The Motor Bookstore too. Got free shipping as well as a 10% discount.

Much appreciated for this hint,

Joe

I just replaced the windows in our 1927 Tudor and used new channels with 8 1/2" regulator track. After everything was back in place, the regulator ran right off the end of the track due to it being shorter than original. I had to cut the channels down to be able to shift them 1 1/2" towards the fron...

Yup, sounds like a slight fault got you cancelled. Hope you get it worked out with the cancellator. When I first had to use Paypal, it was really confusing to a newbie geezer and I messed up the friends/family setting. The process worked but the full amount didn't get transferred ...... this weird p...

I am quite relieved to hear that there should be no worries about the Lang's wiring looms but now I"m getting worried about being called out by a CA authenticity expert. But, then again, I'll never travel that far in this T so perhaps I should worry about other things instead. The comment about sold...

Original Smith, you have me a bit (well, more than a bit) concerned about wire quality. I have a complete set of Lang's wiring looms on the shelf ready to go when there's something to connect to but your comment about the quality causes pause. What should I be looking at for shortfalls and what woul...

What a great collection of memories. Thanks for collecting and posting all of these.

This restoration has been going on for almost 60 years now and retirement has given me the time to finally get at it. This is a frame up recovery process and it's moving at a super slow pace.....but still a lot faster than during the previous 55 years. There is no original wiring remaining and I hav...

I’m curious about the wiring process used on metal dash Ts. I’ve seen videos of wood dash cars having the bodies dropped onto the chassis and just a bit of connection work done before the complete car is driven away. I noted that the wooden dashboards are in place on the chassis so all the wiring wa...

Good information on the contact surfaces, Jim Sr. I originally thought that the internal contact was with the screws so was concerned about the length being correct. Your comment and checking the ignition switch back plate detail in a vendor's catalog shows the contact cups on the underside of the p...

Great to see that the picture got posted. I've been trying all sorts of sizes and formats to figure out how to add the picture. Thanks for posting what I was trying to explain. I did put out only 5 lock washers....there's another one around here that will be added to complete the team. I believe tha...

Working away on the ignition switch wiring but have derailed myself. I removed all the wiring screws but putting them back in the correct places is a problem. I didn't realize that they are two different lengths so now don't know which what goes where. Any hints on where longs and shorts go? Many th...

I'm working on changing out the old glass in a 1927 Canadian Tudor so dashed to the workshop to measure up the glass thicknesses. The Driver's & Passenger's door glass measure up at 0.255" and the windshield shows 0.169". The door glass is likely original as they match each other and pretty well agr...

My favorite tire is LUCAS but I am somewhat biased.

Joe Lucas

You are speaking some very wise words there, Stan. It is so much easier to get a 9 to 5 job with benefits and pension than to provide a unique service that requires years of dedicated (and unpaid) learning, sweat, and effort. The result is that you have become 1 in a million while the easy path crow...

Thanks for the info and the offer for the dies. :^) Looking at the bigger picture, the new wire wheels are from Brazil, the Lucas tires are from Vietnam, and the tubes are from ??? Only the air in tires is from Canada. It was an interesting quest but perhaps I won't be too concerned about the hub ca...

I've converted our 1927 Canadian T from wooden wheels to wires and am wondering about hub caps.

The wooden wheels had hub caps that were stamped Made In Canada so I'm wondering if Ford made wire wheel hub caps stamped the same way for Canadian models?

Thanks for any thoughts,

Joe

Congratulations on a job well done and every best wish for your new retirement. Bad time for getting out in the world but, like always, you will turn things around and make a success out of it. Looking forward to hear of your out and about adventures. Your incredible hospitality needs to be paid bac...

That's some fine work and a great use of Covid down time.

What's the next project, James?

I was also going to say that Rachel Hughes has to fill some mighty big shoes left behind by our friend Susan Yaeger but that could mean that there are some big feet involved so I have to change things a bit. Indeed there are some big qualities to be filled that include a big heart, big talent, big e...

I was wondering why 5 rabbits but then noticed that this is the Great Houdini's T, so there would be lots of those critters to choose from.

Another amazing work.

I've seen this bolt sizing spreadsheet before and noted that there are a few missing items.

Any idea who owns or maintains this data as it would be good to see it expanded and, hopefully, completed.

I can't imagine the time it takes to create this, never mind the depth of talent holding the brush. There is so much charm and depth in this art.

My only flaw that I see is why are they so clean? In real life, children are usually much grubbier.

Lovely work, Rich, just lovely work.

What an amazing time capsule. This beauty will certainly be a joy and a remarkable reference for those who need to know how it was really done way back then.

What an outstanding contribution to the Model T community and the MTFCA.

Ron and Bob, you have my sincere admiration and I'll will be looking for my copy at Chickasha.

Rustyfords - what a great idea.

This will be my first Chickasha visit but, hopefully, not the last.

"Do or do not" -- love it.

Thanks for the plan, TRDx82.

Joe

I appreciate that insight, Dan and the photo of what things should be like. As things stand, it appears that the top of the crossmember is 1 7/8". The frame thickness is about 1/8" (just by checking the photo showing a ruler so this may be off). Deducting the frame thickness from the outside width l...

Took the trip to visit the buried frame and check out the front crossmember condition. I think it turned out to be well worth the effort. I was hoping against hope that the frame hadn't been beaten into submission to accept the wider Model A spring and it looks like it's still an original condition ...

henryford2 (love that name) - you're absolutely right, getting the correct spring is really the right thing to do here and that's the path that I need to follow. I have to check out the front frame crossmember to see what has been done to that to accommodate the wider Model A spring. Hopefully it's ...

Now that you mention it, Dallas, Perhaps the spring eye could be machined down the required 1/4" so that the shackles will align properly. Would have to be done with 1/8" on each side to keep things centered but this could be a winner. Still have to address the frame mounting issue and it will take ...

Another picture showing the shackle space.

Hi Allan FDU, Aha, a 1 3/4" bushing would bring the shackle into alignment and eliminate spacers, wouldn't it? I would have to replace the bushing in the A spring as it's 1/4" too short as well and sunken into the eye. (that sounds painful). I'm going to visit the frame and tunnel out in the snow to...

Still trying to post pictures of the spring & perch differences

What an amazing car and story. Congratulations on such an outstanding accomplishment.

Hi Harold, I'll get to the workshop and take some photos of the perch to help illuminate the problem.

Should be able to get this sorted out tomorrow. ..... and thanks for that suggestion.

The 1 3/4" Model A springs fitted to the 1 1/2" Model T perch would put the shackle plates on an angle if the 1/4" excess space wasn't filled in on the T side. Sounds like 1/8" washers would do it but proper fitting also requires Model A shackles to replace the shorter T shackles. There were definit...

I now have a serious concern about what has been done to the frame to get this 1/4" wider spring in place. I recall that it was a bit of a battle to remove it so perhaps the backyard mechanic just jammed it into place and clamped it down. I can't presently check the frame now as it's outdoors under ...

Dismantled the front spring, had it sandblasted and powder coated. Pressed in new bushings, painted the moving sections with graphite paint, and finally reassembled with a new bolt to replace the rusty, misshapen original. Came up with an issue trying to fit new spring clips and finding that they we...

What an excellent discussion. I was trying to sort out front spring confusion and Dan Treace provided a link to this valuable discussion. Although not what I wanted to hear, it was just what I needed to hear and explains why my front springs are 1 3/4" wide instead of the normal 1 1/2". You also exp...

Excellent points, Mark. I did follow up the powder coating by painting all the moving surfaces with graphite paint but you really have me pondering now. Following up on the link that Dan provided, I think we have the answer. I got the chance to check out the front and rear springs. The back set has ...

Dan,

Your link is making me think that this might be a Model A spring set.

Seems that the difference between the T & A (besides the width) is the location of the oiler. I will check that out to hopefully resolve the mystery.

Many thanks, Dan

Joe

Working on getting our 1927 Tudor ready for its 100th birthday and slowly working from front to back on a total restoration. Sandblasted and powder coated the 8 leaf front springs but got a surprise when assembling them. Had new spring clips ready to install but they don't fit. The clip clearance is...

Lots of great learning being absorbed by following your progress. Many thanks for starting such a fascinating discussion, Robert.

Thanks for sharing your amazing story, Ignacio. Not always a lot of fun and games along the way, but you fought on to a successful accomplishment. Your detailed trail is very valuable stuff for those of us still on page 1 of our restorations. You do have me wondering what you have lined up for your ...

The Last Chickasha will be my first but it's shaping up to be a memorable gathering of some remarkable people.

Looking forward to seeing some real classics in person ..... and maybe some Model Ts as well.

A very Merry Christmas and a healthy, exceptional 2020 to one and all.

Robert, Thank you for sharing your disappointing battle. Like T parts, it seems that honest people are getting more scarce every day. My rip offs have been for relatively small amounts but they certainly make you question every person and transaction that comes up. Basic honesty and social responsib...

Love it, Susan.

Many thanks for this.

Bless you for such a lovely thought, Hank. You have captured the true values of Christmas in very few words.

May your experiences help us to appreciate how fortunate we truly are and to share with those who need a helping hand or heart.

Thank you for this.

In floor heating is the way to go but a huge retrofit cost. Wait until the move to Boise to invest that level of energy. For now, you are heating a huge volume when trying to work in a small space. If you can partition this off, it will make an impressive change in heating demand. A simple tarp can ...

Thanks for closing the loop on this challenge, John.

Have been following your challenge and it's great to hear of the positive outcome.

Joe

What an amazing treasure, Bob. Congratulations on becoming the caretaker of this slice of history.

Martynn, this an incredible work of art. It now gives me x-ray vision and a clear understanding when it comes to my 1927 Tudor gas tank installation.

Many thanks for this outstanding research, effort, and production.

What an amazing set of skills you have adopted and mastered, Shane. You have created a truly impressive vehicle.

Many thanks for sharing this adventure with those of us watching in admiration and amazement.

Yup, definitely have it but very happy to hear that there is no cure.

Thanks for making my day.

What a great resource. Even have elevator bolts that I need right now.

Many thanks for this link, John

A pretty heavy discussion during the day's first cup of coffee and each view has clear and valuable insight. The Boyd Coddington / Ship of Theseus diversion was an excellent learning opportunity, by the way. Reading not only the lines but between them as well, there seems to be a strong consensus he...

The collective wisdom here is pretty impressive and is generating a fascinating discussion. Thank you to all contributors.

I don't have one, but it's powder coated and just in time for Christmas, so I really need this......... whatever it is.

If I have to guess, I'll go with an air foil to keep the rear of the car fixed on the ground at high speeds.

This first upholstery work looks great. I bet if feels pretty good getting this first piece done and done so well .... and single handed, no less.

Looking forward to your completed project photos and knowing that there's a big (and well deserved) smile on your face.

Hearing that this will be the last gathering and having never attended, I'll be making the 1.123 mile trek to catch that experience. Great to see that so many will be making it a memorable event.

I really appreciate all the "bring them back to life" stories. I'm on the resuscitation trail myself so am learning about the huge challenges required by these simple machines. Also appreciating the value of everyone that has gone before and am thankful to those willing to help, advise, and even giv...

When I started on my latest restoration adventure, I was wisely advised to deal only with responsible members of this group for the endless parts that I have and will need over the years ahead and not go wondering off to oddball deals. This sad tale has proven yet again to be very wise and valuable ...

That is some fine, factual, and fun writing, Jugster.

"Cialis shampoo" -- that is a classic, as is your entire article. Many thanks for this insightful, informative, and humorous education.

An excellent display of an honorable person in action. This hobby certainly gathers some outstanding people and I'm comfortably happy to be just starting on this restoration trail populated by persons of such character.

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