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Mason, You didn't mention your experience level with early Fords or other cars. And you didn't mention your mechanical experience & interest. Both of those may impact the advice you will receive. If you have little practical experience in both of those, then visiting some local clubs, talking with o...

Herb, Thanks for posting. I cannot tell if that is reflection on the black paint or brass trim on the headlights and sidelights. If brass then 1915. If black paint then late 1915 to 1916. Smith Form-a-Truck was one of the more popular conversions and looking at some of the photos at: http://www.mtfc...

Frank,

Thank you so much for posting the other information. I copied that for future use.

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John,

I'm so glad you are on the mend. So sorry that you went through that. Take is easy and continue to follow the doctor's recommendations. We will be praying for a speedy full recovery.

God Bless,

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Michael, The Model T Ford Club of America BYLAWS are located on the last 10 pages of the MTFCA Operations Manual that is located at: https://www.mtfca.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Manual.pdf It can be found from the MTFCA homepage by clicking on "Resources" and then selecting "Operations Manual". ...

Ignacio, Remember Ford Motor Company did not put a Ford script on lots of the parts on the earlier cars. From memory -- not that reliable -- sometime in the teens they started putting the Ford logo on all sorts of parts to help fight the bogus parts that were showing up and causing problems. The whi...

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Darel, You might be right. But normally I've seen the 1926-27 coil box mounted higher on the head so we can see the wires and where they attach to the coil box as shown below: 1926 coil box on engine - Jim Patrick.jpg (Photo courtesy of Jim Patrick) Below is the only photo of the Open Roadster engin...

Tim,

We are sorry to hear this news. Praying God will comfort his family and friends.

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Wayne, You are correct about the low quality photos and the advertisement listed as "Model A" and also "Model T Torpedo" etc. The rear cross member appears to be the correct style with the forged rar body brackets. During 1913 Ford replaced that style with the later style used through 1925. The VIN ...

Sean, It was rebuilt 30 years ago and never ran. Supposedly can’t be turned by hand, but says this.... Quote; “ The guy I bought it from turned it over with a screw driver with the starter pulled.” If it was bored and new pistons and rings put in and new Babbitt in the rods and main bearings it woul...

You are welcome Rich. Marshall, Wouldn't it be fun to run across another "field of dreams" today? Model T Haven is a larger version and of course Mark is supplying parts to the hobby so he is always adding and subtracting from his field. See his "back lot photos" at https://vintagecarsandparts.com/t...

Rich, Great photo. If you have a higher resolution version please post it. The forum can take a 300 mb or so photo. The far car is a 1908 Model S Roadster. That was the only N, R, S or SR model that had the metal cowl around the firewall. The Model T's that I can see clearly have a bill on the front...

Rich is in our thoughts and prayers for grace for healing and wisdom for the doctors.

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Welcome to the forum and to the fun of owning, working on and driving a Model T Ford. If you are near Sumter, SC – I would gladly help if you would like. Click on my name to the right of this posting and it brings up my profile. You can send me an e-mail from there or a PM (Private Message). For add...

Below is my e-mail address that for some reason I could not get to post in the posting above.

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Because it is an image, you will need to type it into your e-mail. And yes, remove the extra spaces between the letters etc.

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Problem: The South Carolina Model T Ford Club Chapter ran out of folks who wanted to keep it going. Possible Solution: Are there 4 other folks that would be interested in either reactivating the South Carolina Model T Ford Club Chapter or if it is wiser, helping to start a new Chapter of the MTFCA i...

Merry Christmas!

"God Bless us each and everyone" -- Tinny Tim

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I wish we had a couple of different photos showing more of the vehicle and what appears to be a trailer attached to it. Note that it has an above the axle wishbone shown below: Above axle wishbone.jpg If that front wishbone was original to the vehicle it would most likely have been before Apr 14, 19...

And everyone types faster than me... and yes, all good advice above. Bill, That’s great! Some reading that will give you some helpful information is located at page 11 of “The MTFCA Operations Manual / Jan 2017” located at: https://www.mtfca.com/Manual.pdf The first 2 paragraphs are pasted in below:...

John, Welcome to the forum! It looks like this is your second posting. Even when the Model T is set up properly the cars running the 30 x 3 or 30 x 3 1/2 inch clinchers have a very quick steering compared to modern cars (1928 and later Fords etc.) And from Jem Bowkett's 2009 posting he states his la...

Our thoughts and prayers go out to Barbara and their extended family. Jay was instrumental in helping so many of us on so many different projects. One of those was helping to get the 1906-1907 Model N,R, & S Chapter going again. And that evolved into the 1903-1909 Early Ford Registry. He will be gre...

Susan, Best wishes for you as you enter a well-earned retirement! Thank you for all the support you provided to our club, museum, hobby and to me also. We look forward to being able to travel/visit in the future and we hope to see you the next time we are in Richmond. God Bless, Hap l9l5 cut off

Mark,

Congratulations! And best of luck as you start a new chapter of your life. I'm sure you will have lots of projects and dreams to pursue.

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Kevin,

Sorry to hear that happened. Glad to hear that you are on the mend. Follow the doctor's advice -- I know we hate being told to take it easy etc.

You are in our thoughts and prayers.

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You commented: It appears as if the push-pull is an on or off only, not low or high which would make sense for a Mag only car. Is this correct? For the 1915-early 1917 cars they only had the on/off for the magneto lights. If you rev'd the engine high enough one of the light bulbs often went out. And...

Mark, See the posting at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/257047/263904.html?1328139051. It discusses some of that. Note it also discusses lights (dim) and lights (bright) which became available when Ford added a "dimmer coil" to help keep the mag lights from burning out at higher engine speeds...

Mark, It has around 1967 or so that I took the combination horn/light switch off the steering column of our 1918 so I could hook up the lights. From memory (that was a while ago) it was not that complex a switch. Have you taken it off to see if it is repairable? I'll try to find some additional info...

Ed,

Congratulations! It looks really great. And it is an encouragement to many of us to get our project finished or maybe going again.

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Jim,

Welcome to the forum! I think you will find some good support from the group. And once the COVID situation gets under control you may want to see if there is enough interest to get another group going in your area.

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I'm sorry to hear this news. While I never had the pleasure to meet "Milt the Instructor" I often e-mailed his "How to remove a Model T From Moth Balls" and other articles to folks. He will be missed. His extended family will be in our thoughts and prayers. Respectfully submitted, Hap l9l5 cut off

Ian, G'day and welcome to the forum as a new poster! I think you will find the group helpful. Often times you will receive several different recommended ways to do something or thoughts on a subject. And often it is because there is more than one way to do something. I'm sure folks would like to kno...

Tim, You are welcome and thanks to all of you for giving us the clues needed to track this down. I'm 80% sure that your photo shows your fellow has the cut outs on the outside of the felloes at each of the four mounting bolts. That should allow the Hayes rim with the fixed lugs that have a foot on t...

Summary: I’m 99% sure you have a wheel/felloe that was manufactured by Firestone on or after Mar 1924 for use in the Ford USA assembly plants and as a replacement part for dealers. Additional Details: John – thank you so much for finding and posting that Patent information. From the second page it h...

Tim, Looking at the letters: PAT’D 9-27-21-F-S-P-CO and the last letter may or may not be an "O." I would suspect that the company patented that style on 9-27-1921. Company Name would have three words -- one starting with F, the next with S and the next with P. From the photo the lower side looks li...

Mark, Summary: It probably depends on the which of the 5 body makers supplied Ford with your body and what time frame they produced the body. Additional Details: Do you have any additional information on the photo you posted. If possible I would like to find out who owns the body, which company prod...

Andy,

Congratulations! It looks fantastic! You and your Dad did a great job. And I'm sure you will have lots of fun with it. It will give you a chance to make many more great memories with it.

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Adrian,

The late Fred Houston did an article with photos and discussion on options. It is on the Model T Ford Club of Tulsa Chapter technical pages. The link for the cycle fenders is: http://mtfctulsa.com/Tech/speedster_fenders.htm

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For Keith, Thank you so much for sharing the photos. Most of us will never personally be able to look at the inside of such an early T. The photos are the next best thing. Was the ring gear also riveted in place? For Kerry, Summary: It can be a little confusing sometimes. The pinion with 12 teeth yo...

Neil, Congratulations! Be careful and don't get any speeding tickets with all that extra horsepower..... And if your T was a roadster etc.-- be very careful when you back up or change lanes in the Fordor Model A. It has some large blind spots -- even with the outside rear view mirrors. Respectfully ...

Susan, Thank you for all your support and help over the years. Best wishes in your retirement. And we hope to see you the next time we visit Richmond. Rachel, Congratulations on your new mission! I enjoyed reading on the Tin Lizzie Café site that you found and purchased your first T (with some help ...

John, It was Jan 5, 1914 that Ford Motor Company announced it would double the wages to $5 a day. Ref: https://www.thehenryford.org/explore/blog/fords-five-dollar-day/#:~:text=On%20January%205%2C%201914%2C%20Henry,to%20five%20dollars%20a%20day. The contents of the book were originally published in "...

Katie, Welcome aboard. And you are already doing much more than being "just along for the ride." Below is a staged photo showing how Henry Ford, at the wheel, and Ed Huff, the riding mechanic on the running board, ran and won their first race back on Oct 10, 1901. Ed Huff on running board.jpg (Discl...

I agree that older car prices are generally decreasing and that is usually considered bad by anyone who was looking at them as primarily a monetary investment. But I think it may have a silver lining. As prices fluctuate -- currently more down than up, more people will be able to afford to purchase ...

Chris,

Thank you for posting the photos - the display looks great! And thank you to all the folks that helped make that happen!

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I almost forgot about the deadline for the Matching Grant that the Wayne County Foundations has offered the Model T Ford Club of America (MTFCA). I looked on the forum to see if anyone had said anything about it, but I did not see any posting about it. And a word search only turned up the posting fo...

Continued ... Below shows the metal brace that was introduced during 1921 with the 3 piece rear tub. That is not in the earlier 5 piece rear tub. I can't find where I had it filed. I think I owe Mark of Model T Haven another thank you for allowing us to post his photos. But if you recognize that it ...

I'm trying to help a new T owner who recently purchased some sheet metal parts (surface rust but not rusted through -- but without any wood in them) for a touring. But the parts are clearly from at least two different cars. He has a 1924 high cowl front seat section and a 1917-1920s 5 piece rear sea...

Joe, For your engine -- it would not need Ford on the engine head: Ref: https://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/E.htm#eng3 where it says: Other records indicate that in August 1926 the " Made in USA" and "Ford" were being eliminated from the head castings. That also agrees with the Model T Ford Club Internati...

For Dan Haynes – yes, I too thought of Walt Rosenthal. It was his Ruckstell that got stuck in neutral as he was going forward down a hill. He was planning to install auxiliary brakes very soon – but had not gotten it done yet. Thank you Donnie for the update. And thank you to others for their concer...

Donnie, I'm so glad you and your wife are OK. I'm so sorry this happened to you. And thank you for sharing to remind all of us of some of the limitations of the T. Take care of yourself and your better half. Tim, The advertisement in the Sep-Oct 2020 "The Vintage Ford" page 55 says: KC Warford cr.JP...

Don, The Model T Ford Club of Tulsa Chapter has some great information on making a reliable tour car. The Technical Page address is: http://mtfctulsa.com/Tech/index.htm And they have put effort into it so that some of the articles are more factual (we ran the same car over the same hills with these ...

Andrew,

It is looking Good!

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Wayne has a good summary. Some additional reference information that was posted on the older forum: From the May – Jun 1971 page 5 – 11 "The Vintage Ford" article on a 1914 Fisher Bodied Model T Touring. The Motor Number is 495676; the Car Number is 462926. And it shipped on/around Apr 21, 1914 In 1...

(continued) The following is from the Jul Aug 1981 Vintage Ford page 43 used by permission to promote our hobby: From Don Ball – answering in the column “Questions and Answers” The [1926-27 Coupe Package] tray was made of wood and was covered with the same material as used around the rear window are...

Clyde, This may be posted too late to help you, but perhaps it will be of help to someone else with a 1926-27 coupe in the future. I had tried posting this as a link to an earlier posting. But when I click on the link it gave a 401 error or something similar. Since I had it saved, I will repost it h...

John's suggestions of use the old firewall for a pattern and make a new one sounds like a good idea. I.e. if the hood, hood former, hood sills, firewall to firewall brackets and body all fit together well -- that is the pattern to use. Note, many of the original firewalls were made up of different v...

by Sarikatime » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:50 am I had to pull the motor for repair on my 21 touring and kind of messed up the wood firewall. It is a 21 body with a 15 style hood former and a wood firewall and a brass radiator. David -- it is easy to miss something -- but from above he said 21 body with a...

Mark,

We will be praying for a speedy recovery. And as others have said -- follow the Dr's advice and don't try to do too much too soon.

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Actually, it might be “as maintained” by the Authorized Ford Agency or at least the mismatched front fenders could have been. Ref: https://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/doc12.htm where Bruce McCalley listed the following: NOV 5, 1912 Letter, Ford to Chicago branch, Acc. 509, Ford Archives [First 2 sentences...

Mike, Have you checked with “FunProjects”? They make them and are showing them in stock on their webpage at: http://www.funprojects.com/search?querystr=1&querytype=category They list them for 1910-1915 and they have some photos at: http://www.funprojects.com/products/4816.aspx They also have some ex...

Donnie, Yes, please put me down for one. Your previous one is a great help to anyone that needs to figure out what that tool does etc. Also for some of us that sometimes get pulled away from the forum and especially the for sale section -- would you also please post a note on this thread when you pu...

And for comparison below is a photo of what I believe is a 56 inch tread wagon (photo taken in Texas). Notice how they have to load the cotton bales so they do not hit the wheels. Also that the middle bale is turned 90 degrees but is clear of the wheels. They are only moving 4 bales per wagon and th...

And from: https://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/lsm-gfm%3A1097 photo taken in Louisiana: Louisiana University Archives 60 inch wagon.png Note how far the bales hang over the wagon at the front wheels and how close they are to the rear wheels. Again moving the wheels 2 inches closer on...

Why did the wagons in the south that hauled bales of cotton need to have a 60 inch tread rather than the 56 inch tread used further north? Cotton bales in the USA today are standardized size & weight (ref: National Cotton Counsel of America at https://www.cotton.org/tech/bale/bale-description.cfm ) ...

I posted some of this previously on the old forum but I think it is relevant here also. Ford offered a 60 inch tread for the southern roads for the 1908 Model S Roadster (part numbers are listed in the 1908 Price List of Parts but not the 1907 Price List of parts). It was clearly available on the S ...

We missed the Christmas parade one year because we added more gas than Blackie's gas tank was used to having. The crud & rust from the tank stopped up the gas line. It varied in how long it took for the car to start starving for Gas. And back in those days, I just opened the carburetor drain valve a...

Mike, Thanks so much! Following the dimension that John Regan shared sounds like a good way to go. (Disclaimer -- if someone is really tall -- or tall in seating height -- they may want to add a little extra room....) Being height challenged, I don't have to worry about that but both of my son-in-la...

Mike, They look great! And you draw knife and spoke shaver remind me of the ones my Dad had and that he gave to me. Question if you have time, Dan Treace had posted some measurements (thank you Dan) saying how far into the top sockets the ends of the bows went. Did you find that using John Regan's t...

Rich, Ooops -- I clearly need to get out west and visit "the park" -- both of them so I don't confuse them again! So I wonder what the T that was seen in Yellowstone was and who might have been driving it there? David, Looks like you had a wonderful time in Yosemite! Respectfully still learning to r...

Larry, From memory, (not as good as it used to be) I believe that Royce used to say the Dash ID number was higher than the engine number once the numbers started diverging in the US production. And I've been trying to find evidence that would support that or correct that statement. Original cars cou...

A company called Model T Tours rents a 1915, 1922 & 1926 T for use in the park, for weddings, etc.. They also have a couple of Model A Fords 1928 & 1929. See: http://www.driveamodelt.com/carselection.html It looks like fun - but I would rather put the money into my own T and make it better etc. (or ...

Jonah, At Steve Jelf's posting at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/822076/874260.html?1529247932 he has the following picture and information: Steve Jelf posted.jpg and he said: [Spark plug wrench] "At the top is the teens wrench. Second is the version used from 1920 to the end of Model T produ...

Mike, I'm glad you have enough information to proceed. I love the saying that none of us is as smart as all of us put together. Also, please take pictures and let us know what worked well and what didn't work so well. And please add your findings/experience. One other item I ran across was a photo o...

Andrew, Thank you for the e-mail. I have sent you a copy of the two articles. Also thank you for posting the additional photos of your cut-off. And yes the "1 15" at the beginning of the Beaudett (also spelled Beaudette and called Pontiac on many of the USA Ford documents) body number indicates your...

Mike, John Regan posted some detailed information on the 1915 runabout top at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/23098.html I have reposted that here: While he does not share how far the wood bow goes into the top socket, he shares lots of other details there. ++++++++++++++++++ John Regan's p...

I tried to post the “Vintage Ford” articles on pickup plans as a PDF. But that didn't work very well -- probably lack of computer skills by me. It had about 1/2 the page cut off. But if anyone would like a PDF copy of the following articles about how to build a wood pickup bed – please drop me an e-...

For Dan, Nice photo. Note that it also is a 1917 –you can see the electric light switch to the left of the coil box insulators. That was discontinued on USA cars with the introduction of the combination horn & light switch (For of Canada continued that push-pull light switch for a few more years). F...

Bob, They were having some phone issues. I just called them on the 800-872-7871 number and did not get through. But they just answered their 978-939-5500 line and confirmed they are still open and ready to take calls etc. Note below is what they posted on their website back in Mar 23, 2020. They are...

Jonah, Nice car! The 1926-27 cars came with a larger 11 inch rear emergency brake drum rather than the 1906-1925 smaller 8 inch brake drum. And the 1926-27 came with a lined emergency brake shoe (the earlier cars came with cast metal brake shoes -- no lining. Although accessory 8 inch brake shoes th...

Dick, As I recall, your dad and Les Flautt were the two oldest participants in the trip. I think they were both 78, but not sure which was older. We thought it was pretty impressive that they were so old, but I suspect that I am older now than either of them was in 2003! :D You aren't old! And they ...

He will be missed by many and his passing is a great loss for our community. Prayers for his extended family as they go through this very difficult time.

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Lisa, Lot's of great advice already posted. I did not see anyone mention tailoring the type of car to the area and conditions you will be wanting to drive in the most. A mostly stock T can easily take you long distances -- but much slower than today's cars and you will normally want to use the the b...

Ignacio, It looks like it uses a standard "Yale" key. And from your photo is looks like they broke a key off in the lock cylinder -- although that may just be dirt? If you locate a real lock smith (there are fewer and fewer of them), they can usually salvage the lock cylinder and make you a key. I h...

Thanks guys for the encouragement! One of the many things I like about our group is we really do care about one another and we are not here just for the cars. For Dennis -- I was tired last night -- I'm sorry I called you Perry instead of Dennis .... my bad. I look forward to getting caught up at wo...

Perry, Thanks for asking and for your kind remarks. Lot's of folks have shared many things with me over the years and I enjoy passing along things that have been shared with me. And Thanks to Darel for sending me a note that you had asked. I'm doing fine. I'm just up to my eyeballs in work and proje...

Chad, If you check the Tulsa Model T Ford Club page titled "Head Design" at: http://mtfctulsa.com/Tech/head_design.htm It describes one method of determining the compression ratio of Model T Ford Flat heads. I'm still a novice at this -- but from memory -- it is not the bore of the head gasket but t...

While they did not test the Prius head -- I don't think they had one readily available when they did the testing. But they do have some great information on the Z and other heads installed on the T. See the Model T Ford Club of Tulsa technical page at: http://mtfctulsa.com/Tech/index.htm and recomme...

Allan, Yes, the patent application used the term "Driving Lug" for that part. See the expanded view from Chris' earlier posting: Driving Lug circled in red -.jpg Ref you question of when were the fixed lug Kelsey rims introduced in Canada's production. The MTFCI Seventh Edition for the 1920-1924 sta...

Chris, Short answer: As mentioned above the flat sided demountable rim nut (part number 2848B – Kelsey wheels USA and Canada) goes with the flat sided loose lug (also called Clamp in the Ford Price List of Parts) (part number 2846B). The demountable rim nut with the tapered shoulder (part number 284...

Lee, Still a great looking T! Industry was still learning about mass production and of course for that matter many other manufactures were looking at Ford and how he was successfully mass producing so many cars. It would be several more years before mass production started making parts so they would...

(continued) Lee, Next time you post a photo of pieces, recommend you include a ruler or a dime etc. next to them so we can see the size. You mentioned the car had not been started since 1972. Did you change the oil before starting it? And did you find any pieces then? Or did you change the oil after...

Lee, It is always great to get them running again -- congradulations! I'm sure you are already aware that the front top bow should be repositioned from the low pivot hole on the rear bow to the higher pivot hole on the middle bow. But if someone new to 1923-1925 roadsters is looking at the photos it...

George, There is always more to learn, but it appears the equal length hinge was introduced around Aug 1924. The earliest equal length hinge in the thread discussion at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/114100.html had an engine number #10,377,xxx and belonged to Dan Treace at the time. It...

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