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Mark,

We will be praying for a speedy recovery. And as others have said -- follow the Dr's advice and don't try to do too much too soon.

Respectfully submitted,

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Actually, it might be “as maintained” by the Authorized Ford Agency or at least the mismatched front fenders could have been. Ref: https://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/doc12.htm where Bruce McCalley listed the following: NOV 5, 1912 Letter, Ford to Chicago branch, Acc. 509, Ford Archives [First 2 sentences...

Mike, Have you checked with “FunProjects”? They make them and are showing them in stock on their webpage at: http://www.funprojects.com/search?querystr=1&querytype=category They list them for 1910-1915 and they have some photos at: http://www.funprojects.com/products/4816.aspx They also have some ex...

Donnie, Yes, please put me down for one. Your previous one is a great help to anyone that needs to figure out what that tool does etc. Also for some of us that sometimes get pulled away from the forum and especially the for sale section -- would you also please post a note on this thread when you pu...

And for comparison below is a photo of what I believe is a 56 inch tread wagon (photo taken in Texas). Notice how they have to load the cotton bales so they do not hit the wheels. Also that the middle bale is turned 90 degrees but is clear of the wheels. They are only moving 4 bales per wagon and th...

And from: https://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/lsm-gfm%3A1097 photo taken in Louisiana: Louisiana University Archives 60 inch wagon.png Note how far the bales hang over the wagon at the front wheels and how close they are to the rear wheels. Again moving the wheels 2 inches closer on...

Why did the wagons in the south that hauled bales of cotton need to have a 60 inch tread rather than the 56 inch tread used further north? Cotton bales in the USA today are standardized size & weight (ref: National Cotton Counsel of America at https://www.cotton.org/tech/bale/bale-description.cfm ) ...

I posted some of this previously on the old forum but I think it is relevant here also. Ford offered a 60 inch tread for the southern roads for the 1908 Model S Roadster (part numbers are listed in the 1908 Price List of Parts but not the 1907 Price List of parts). It was clearly available on the S ...

We missed the Christmas parade one year because we added more gas than Blackie's gas tank was used to having. The crud & rust from the tank stopped up the gas line. It varied in how long it took for the car to start starving for Gas. And back in those days, I just opened the carburetor drain valve a...

Mike, Thanks so much! Following the dimension that John Regan shared sounds like a good way to go. (Disclaimer -- if someone is really tall -- or tall in seating height -- they may want to add a little extra room....) Being height challenged, I don't have to worry about that but both of my son-in-la...

Mike, They look great! And you draw knife and spoke shaver remind me of the ones my Dad had and that he gave to me. Question if you have time, Dan Treace had posted some measurements (thank you Dan) saying how far into the top sockets the ends of the bows went. Did you find that using John Regan's t...

Rich, Ooops -- I clearly need to get out west and visit "the park" -- both of them so I don't confuse them again! So I wonder what the T that was seen in Yellowstone was and who might have been driving it there? David, Looks like you had a wonderful time in Yosemite! Respectfully still learning to r...

Larry, From memory, (not as good as it used to be) I believe that Royce used to say the Dash ID number was higher than the engine number once the numbers started diverging in the US production. And I've been trying to find evidence that would support that or correct that statement. Original cars cou...

A company called Model T Tours rents a 1915, 1922 & 1926 T for use in the park, for weddings, etc.. They also have a couple of Model A Fords 1928 & 1929. See: http://www.driveamodelt.com/carselection.html It looks like fun - but I would rather put the money into my own T and make it better etc. (or ...

Jonah, At Steve Jelf's posting at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/822076/874260.html?1529247932 he has the following picture and information: Steve Jelf posted.jpg and he said: [Spark plug wrench] "At the top is the teens wrench. Second is the version used from 1920 to the end of Model T produ...

Mike, I'm glad you have enough information to proceed. I love the saying that none of us is as smart as all of us put together. Also, please take pictures and let us know what worked well and what didn't work so well. And please add your findings/experience. One other item I ran across was a photo o...

Andrew, Thank you for the e-mail. I have sent you a copy of the two articles. Also thank you for posting the additional photos of your cut-off. And yes the "1 15" at the beginning of the Beaudett (also spelled Beaudette and called Pontiac on many of the USA Ford documents) body number indicates your...

Mike, John Regan posted some detailed information on the 1915 runabout top at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/23098.html I have reposted that here: While he does not share how far the wood bow goes into the top socket, he shares lots of other details there. ++++++++++++++++++ John Regan's p...

I tried to post the “Vintage Ford” articles on pickup plans as a PDF. But that didn't work very well -- probably lack of computer skills by me. It had about 1/2 the page cut off. But if anyone would like a PDF copy of the following articles about how to build a wood pickup bed – please drop me an e-...

For Dan, Nice photo. Note that it also is a 1917 –you can see the electric light switch to the left of the coil box insulators. That was discontinued on USA cars with the introduction of the combination horn & light switch (For of Canada continued that push-pull light switch for a few more years). F...

Bob, They were having some phone issues. I just called them on the 800-872-7871 number and did not get through. But they just answered their 978-939-5500 line and confirmed they are still open and ready to take calls etc. Note below is what they posted on their website back in Mar 23, 2020. They are...

Jonah, Nice car! The 1926-27 cars came with a larger 11 inch rear emergency brake drum rather than the 1906-1925 smaller 8 inch brake drum. And the 1926-27 came with a lined emergency brake shoe (the earlier cars came with cast metal brake shoes -- no lining. Although accessory 8 inch brake shoes th...

Dick, As I recall, your dad and Les Flautt were the two oldest participants in the trip. I think they were both 78, but not sure which was older. We thought it was pretty impressive that they were so old, but I suspect that I am older now than either of them was in 2003! :D You aren't old! And they ...

He will be missed by many and his passing is a great loss for our community. Prayers for his extended family as they go through this very difficult time.

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Lisa, Lot's of great advice already posted. I did not see anyone mention tailoring the type of car to the area and conditions you will be wanting to drive in the most. A mostly stock T can easily take you long distances -- but much slower than today's cars and you will normally want to use the the b...

Ignacio, It looks like it uses a standard "Yale" key. And from your photo is looks like they broke a key off in the lock cylinder -- although that may just be dirt? If you locate a real lock smith (there are fewer and fewer of them), they can usually salvage the lock cylinder and make you a key. I h...

Thanks guys for the encouragement! One of the many things I like about our group is we really do care about one another and we are not here just for the cars. For Dennis -- I was tired last night -- I'm sorry I called you Perry instead of Dennis .... my bad. I look forward to getting caught up at wo...

Perry, Thanks for asking and for your kind remarks. Lot's of folks have shared many things with me over the years and I enjoy passing along things that have been shared with me. And Thanks to Darel for sending me a note that you had asked. I'm doing fine. I'm just up to my eyeballs in work and proje...

Chad, If you check the Tulsa Model T Ford Club page titled "Head Design" at: http://mtfctulsa.com/Tech/head_design.htm It describes one method of determining the compression ratio of Model T Ford Flat heads. I'm still a novice at this -- but from memory -- it is not the bore of the head gasket but t...

While they did not test the Prius head -- I don't think they had one readily available when they did the testing. But they do have some great information on the Z and other heads installed on the T. See the Model T Ford Club of Tulsa technical page at: http://mtfctulsa.com/Tech/index.htm and recomme...

Allan, Yes, the patent application used the term "Driving Lug" for that part. See the expanded view from Chris' earlier posting: Driving Lug circled in red -.jpg Ref you question of when were the fixed lug Kelsey rims introduced in Canada's production. The MTFCI Seventh Edition for the 1920-1924 sta...

Chris, Short answer: As mentioned above the flat sided demountable rim nut (part number 2848B – Kelsey wheels USA and Canada) goes with the flat sided loose lug (also called Clamp in the Ford Price List of Parts) (part number 2846B). The demountable rim nut with the tapered shoulder (part number 284...

Lee, Still a great looking T! Industry was still learning about mass production and of course for that matter many other manufactures were looking at Ford and how he was successfully mass producing so many cars. It would be several more years before mass production started making parts so they would...

(continued) Lee, Next time you post a photo of pieces, recommend you include a ruler or a dime etc. next to them so we can see the size. You mentioned the car had not been started since 1972. Did you change the oil before starting it? And did you find any pieces then? Or did you change the oil after...

Lee, It is always great to get them running again -- congradulations! I'm sure you are already aware that the front top bow should be repositioned from the low pivot hole on the rear bow to the higher pivot hole on the middle bow. But if someone new to 1923-1925 roadsters is looking at the photos it...

George, There is always more to learn, but it appears the equal length hinge was introduced around Aug 1924. The earliest equal length hinge in the thread discussion at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/114100.html had an engine number #10,377,xxx and belonged to Dan Treace at the time. It...

Mike,

It looks great! It will give you many many miles of fun!

Respectfully submitted,

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Stephen, Thank you for posting the photos. I had looked but not seen any photos of your car showing those kinds of details. I wanted to make sure that you had a 1923 body and not an earlier one. The slant windshield posts will easily bolt onto the 1915-1922 open bodies and many Ts had their bodies a...

Stephen, I received your e-mail through the forum. But I cannot figure out how to attach the article and send it back to you. Please e-mail me your e-mail address and I will gladly send you R.V. Anderson's article he did on re-wooding his low cowl 1923 Roadster. Or if any of you know how to attach s...

Adrian, We are doing fine (funny as we get older we don't say we are doing great ... just we are doing fine :) . My bad, when you said "plate steel" I read "steel plate" and was thinking you meant the "generator block off plate" part number 3017-D in the illustration from the price list of parts. (L...

Adrian, He is looking for the casting that Ford used 1919-1921 when the starter/generator blocks were first introduced. Initially the casting that held the generator cost significantly more than the casting that could be used on a non-starter block. For a detailed explanation of cost of 3017 vs 3017...

Rich, Thanks for posting the additional photos. One of the things I enjoy is seeing a photo I have seen before – but noticing something new about it. This is the first time I noticed (or at least I remember noticing….) that the photos of the prototype(s) have a different cowl and different hood form...

Neal,

Great looking car! Congratulations and many happy miles to come!

Respectfully submitted,

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Note, Sep 23, 1914 Ford had several photos taken of prototype closed cars including a Sedan with gas lamps. Probably it is one of those photos or at least one of those cars. Notice also that instead of the standard six louvers in the hood the sedan with the gas lamps has nine louvers in the hood. Fr...

Thanks Susan, Chris and all those folks who volunteer! We look forward to when we can safely have large meetings again and especially T meetings! Many of us are in one or more of the higher risk categories and I still have lots more work I need to get done on the T. The webinars sound interesting. T...

Cory, I'm 60% sure the reason your photo posted as it did is it was not located on your computer. (I'm out on a limb on this one. T questions are much easy for me to understand -- computer magic is way beyond me...). Any way if you want to test that idea, use the same technique you posted the link t...

Cory, Welcome to the affliction as many of us say.... I'll repost your photo as I'm not sure if it will show up 2 years from now with the URL way you added it. It might, I just don't know. And you can click on the photo below and it will be much larger. Engine -.jpg I like your engine stand - it loo...

Warwick, You list 1909-19 for the years used. Lang's has 1911-1916. Bruce McCalley's Price List of Parts CD shows that the USA 1918 Price List of Parts has it listed as used 1909-1914 and Bruce has it listed as used 1909-1914 also. The Lang's url is: https://www.modeltford.com/item/3651.aspx Bruce h...

Direct link to the Hemmings advertisement: https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/ford/11t/2349258.html Colin, Yes, #904 was repaired and worked on by Royce. He says it is a 3 pedal 1 lever car. From the posting at: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/506218/593997.html?1450009883 Royce...

Dave, Great photo. Note if you zoom in on it you can see that it is a cut off touring with the door jam visible at the back of the front seat. You can also see the head of the bolt in the side of the body that holds the back of the front seat frame and body together. The windshield bracket is for th...

Back in the last century ... OK the middle to earlier last century before the days of routinely using multi-weight oils etc. it was very helpful to jack up the rear wheel. With the multi-weight oil is is not as critical -- but still helps if the temp is below 40 F or so. Below is from page 10 & 11 o...

Happy New Years and wishing you all the best in the coming year.

Respectfully submitted,

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Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Respectfully submitted,

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I believe that Classic Wood will sell individual pieces see: https://www.shop.classicwoodproductsllc.com/BODY-WOOD_c36.htm . You will need to call them to confirm that. And it may be a case where they once did that but no longer do that? But if you call you can find out for sure one way or the other...

R.V. is being really modest...he wrote that article and did the rewooding on his 1923 (a low cowl roadster). The club allows us to share his article to help promote the hobby as well as to help get a few more T's back on the road. If you would like a free scanned copy, for non-commercial use, drop m...

Joe, For Canadian production they used the USA engines up until around May 1913 - so those would be the same as the USA engines -- i.e. Ford Script on the head. The Model T Ford Club International 7th Edition Judging Guidelines indicate the 1913-1915 Canadian produced engines also had the Ford Scrip...

Steve, From memory (not as good as it once was) I believe his relative (it was his son I think) was going to keep the truck. If someone else does not have some more recent up-to-date information, let me know if you want me to check and see if I have some contact information or not. And yes, a very n...

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years! OK,maybe I'm a little too early for that? But thank you Hank for posting the kind and important thoughts. And yes, the holidays can be really hard for some -- especially depending on what they are going through or have gone through. Having folks that care can m...

Thoughts and prayers for his family and friends.

Respectfully submitted,

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Donnie,

Yes, I would like a copy also. Thank you for taking the time to do this.

Respectfully submitted,

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For Steve, I always enjoy your comments and they are almost always “right on.” But in the case of a Jun 1915 Model T, I believe Bruce and others indicate a bulb horn could still easily be a factory item and for that matter we cannot rule out an electric horn either. You are correct that Bruce says t...

For Victor, It sounds like you have a desire to make your car as close to the way it left the factory as possible. If that is your desire, I would suggest you consider purchasing the Model T Ford Club International “Judging Guidelines 7th Edition.” They are available from the vendors (Lang’s at: htt...

Tom, Thank you so much for helping your friend with his T. With over 15,000,000 made and many of them modified to keep them in service over the years we all have questions about some part etc. Photos below should help you see what folks above have been talking about with the earlier style verses lat...

For those of us that put things off... that seems to be me also... just a reminder that the matching grant from the Wayne County Foundation ends Tue Nov 12. And if you are planning to mail in a contribution I think today or Tue would be the last days you can have the post office "Cancel"/ Post Mark ...

I don't know why I / it posted two copies of page 1 to the intro. But the information is still there and I need to run help with supper. George -- yes, locations were named for various reasons and as you note the names sometimes change over time. Ford City, where the main Ford Canada plant was const...

David, I'm not quite sure what your question means. You asked: "...is there a way to reference the ID number on Mr Boggess' listings?" Yes, but probably not as helpful as you would hope. For both Model A's listed as sent to Bergstrom & Wild in WERNACK, WI.: Aug 5, 1903 Model A # 32 Tonneau Feb 10, 1...

Allan -- I'm 90% sure that the original rear axle would take dual wheels. It looks like they only used the outer wheel. Note the fronts also have the off-set so they could be mounted as a dual wheels (assuming you had the proper lug bolts in place that were long enough. Daniel -- it is based on the ...

Chuck, If you contact Susan Yaeger (she is listed on the contacts at: https://www.mtfca.com/clubpages/contacts.htm ) and provide her your zip-code, she can probably put you in contact with some other folks from that same area. (It might help if you give her some other zip-codes near you.) And drivin...

Erik, Thank you for the update. I looked but I didn't find a photo of the 1973 winning car -- if you or anyone else has a photo or a link they could post to that blue T, that would be appreciated. Hill climb info in general: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/708324/745248.html?1492829139 Chris Eg...

The cut off body that is on my 1915 has the metal seat frame and metal gas tank lid. It appears to use a different spring for the back rest. Both of those cut offs are the front section of a touring. The second one I still have not figured out which of the 5 or so 1915 body makers produced it. But p...

The body tag shows 5 15 224857 and is easier to read when you can change the angle you look at it.

That body also had the single row of springs about mid way up the back rest. From the newer looking wood (not painted) I suspect someone added that piece -- but the rest looks original to me.

That photo and the next one are from my May 1915 "cut off" body that was made by Beaudett (also spelled Beaudette and referred to as Pontiac in most of the Ford USA documents). It came from an unrestored 1915-6 cut off was turned into an express wagon. The windshield brackets were changed out to the...

I think it may be more involved than just when the car was assembled. In your photo Neal, your seat has the wooden cover over the gas tank. It also appears to me to have a wooden seat frame rather than a metal seat frame. In 1915 Ford USA was purchasing the bodies from out side suppliers. From the s...

Ref: https://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/1919.htm DASHBOARD (Firewall): Wood, fitted outside the front cowl, hidden by the metal cowl trim strip. This trim strip was redesigned to include a rain gutter to direct water to the sides, away from the coil box. ++++++ Hap's comment:++++++ Note you could probabl...

David, I looked in the MTFCI Judging Guidelines 7th Edition and I did not see that part addressed. I looked at: https://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/A-B.htm and Bruce has: 1921-1922 Generally similar to 1919 except as noted. TOURING A new body design with lower seats of much more comfortable design was ann...

I thought some of you would want an update about Leon. A paragraph from his obituary at: https://www.collierfuneralhome.com/obituaries/Leon-Parker-8/#!/Obituary is shown below: “Mr. Leon M. Parker – May 25,1945 to Sep 22, 2019 Leon's love and passion was his 6 Model T's. He was a lifelong member of ...

David, Ah, another mystery from the Ford Archives. I would suggest contacting the Bergstrom Automotive group located in Wisconsin. They sell a lot of different cars from Acura to Volvo in 30 facilities located throughout the state. They also sell Fords. They may or may not be related to that origina...

Link - what link? I forgot the link to my profile on the old forum that has my e-mail. Sorry about that. It is: http://www.mtfca.com/cgi-bin/discus/boa ... cker-users

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Kim, "The Vintage Ford" had two different articles with pickup bed plans. Both are based on Murray Fahnestock's original plans. One was a reprint and the other added suggestions on how to replace some of the forged parts with parts made from bending metal straps etc. If you or anyone else would like...

Jason, I'm sorry to hear of Phil's passing. Our hobby has lost a great supporter. He has been a great help and encouragement to so many of us. And I'm glad that plans were made to keep his 1911 touring unrestored. Our thoughts and prayers are with his extended family. God Bless, Hap l9l5 cut off

Mark, Ditto what others have said about purchasing a good running and driving T to begin with. It usually saves you money in the long run. There are several Model T chapters (clubs) in Oklahoma -- but a large active chapter is located in Tulsa -- which is very close to you. Recommend you contact the...

Russ, Beautiful restoration! Thank you for sharing the photos with us! And we look forward to an article or something similar about the car and restoration in the future. It is a real inspiration to many of us! Wayne, You asked, "I wonder how many variations of side and tail lamps Ford used between ...

Tim, Congratulations! And yes, be sure to drive it as much as you practically can before you take it on a long trip. (Actually -- if you have your wife or someone else follow with a trailer -- you can take a long trip and if it something happens you can fix it or trailer it. My wife has rescued me s...

Steve, From the photos you posted, it appears you have the Tulsa Site's article the late Fred Houston "Speedster Cycle Fenders" located on their website at "http://mtfctulsa.com/Tech/speedster_fenders.htm Fred and others that contributed to that article had spent some time and effort looking into ho...

I want to thank Mr. Robert Tate for his latest article for the Motor Cities National Heritage called, “The Ford Model T Was An Iconic Automobile.” It is a positive article about T’s. It has seven great Model T Ford advertisements from the 1920s see: https://www.motorcities.org/story-of-the-week/ Ple...

Bill, Your comment about wanting to avoid “Analysis Leads to Paralysis” may mean you can skip the comments below. The front spring you show should function fine. Additional details: If you want to put your 1912 back as reasonably accurate to the way it came out of the assembly building (not an assem...

Andre.... continued: For a 1926-27 car assembled in Denmark, England etc. -- they used the DR front axle and DF wishbone but the standard style USA type front spindles. Ref: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/375948.html Also ref page 180 of the English Ford Book vol 1. Respectfully submitt...

Andre, Your axle appears to be the English Ford produced axle that they introduced with the Drop Ford cars in Jan 1924 (ref page 230 of the English Ford Book vol 1). Below is an illustration from one of the English Ford Price List of Parts showing the earlier style regular front axle and the DF or D...

Rob, Ouch! So sorry that happened. For the 4 cylinder Models 1906-08 "The How to Drive your Ford" (or similar title) offered the suggestion of turning the engine over with the crank but having the ignition switch off. After several turns, then turn the switch on to start it. I don't know if that was...

Allen, Also recommend you check to make sure you had the correct size trailer ball on the vehicle for the hitch/coupler you have on your trailer. When I first started pulling trailers, I thought they were all the same size. And the ones at my Dad's house were all the same size. Then I discovered tha...

Summary: Jeff, there is no blame for you -- the ship sank and you brought it back up so we can use it again. Thank you!!! Longer version: “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belon...

Dave -- I posted a note on the old forum saying the 2019 forum was up and running. I included the link to the 2019 Forum index.

Jeff -- thank you again for all your help and support!

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Jeff,

Thank you so much for all you have done and are doing!!!

And thanks to Chris, Susan and others that are helping. The forum and website provide a lot of information and literally connection for many of us. Thank you!

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