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Order an ECCT with Advances Features Software and Magneto Test Options and... ECCTsm.jpg Receive a FREE 3 in 1 Coil Point Adjusting Tool 3 in 1 Coil Adjusting Tool.jpg The New Standard for Testing and Adjusting Model T Coils Learn how to test and adjust your own coils using the ECCT and keep your M...

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Make sure your Magneto output is sufficient to properly operate coils. Magneto Test Result.JPG Add Magneto Test capability to your ECCT coil tester The ECCT Magneto Test option enables you to check magneto output is sufficient to properly operate Model T coils. Instructions and software needed to e...

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Dan, I did use floss on the nut AND stuffed rags on both sides of the drums. Surely, I didn't need to stuff rags all the way up in front of the drums; a dropped nut would simply fall straight down, or so I thought. The floss broke on the first try starting the nut and then nimble fingers lost grip o...

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Great catch! I spent 4 hours over at the transmission fishing hole a while back trying to land a band nut species. Nearly landed it but fell off reeling in; no hits after that. Luckily Bob Jablonski gave me a tip on another great spot to try; the starter hole. That's where I landed this baby! Nut Fi...

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Adjust the coils for equal and consistent firing Time For optimal engine performance; not coil current. PM if you need more information on how exactly to do that.

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I apologize for my poor communications skills, I was NOT advocating the new Services category be scrapped. My concern was that moving on topic content to the services category would only be an appeasement IF it remained an obscure category; IF it became widely popular, the complaints would just begi...

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It seems you all completely missed my point. A small minority of obsessively vocal complainants successfully imposed their will on everyone here; what they are and are Not permitted to read on topic in the widely popular discussion forum. Moving on topic content to a new and obscure subcategory will...

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Were the water inlet and water outlet/Fan assemblies painted the same color as the engine OR black like starter and generator?

Not building a show car But would since they have yet to be painted, would like to follow tradition.

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Here are photos of the Frame and Engine Serial Numbers next to one another. It appears the 1 and 0 are of the same font of the small frame number stamp. So this car could have been assembled post Model T production after May 1928, or more likely, it is really a 1926 Touring (without frame serial num...

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A closer look reveled the serial number was Over Written! Yes, of course! That would explain it, Someone over stamped the original serial number with a later engine serial number. BUT.. . On closer examination, they appear to be the same serial number only in a larger, different, font furthering the...

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Here is one from the front:

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Thank you for the replies. Nothing stamped on the drivers side frame.

Here are some photos of the car.

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The Encyclopedia page says this about 1927 Model T production serial numbers: " ENGINE SERIAL NUMBERS :14,619,255 to 15,076,231 calendar year. 14,049,030 to 15,006,625 approx. model year (August 2, 1926 to May 26, 1927.) Note: Records show that the last Model T was serial number 15,007,032 but accor...

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Yes! Same as a stock timer.

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Enjoy the best engine performance possible using properly adjusted coils and Zero timer maintenance.

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Enjoy perfect engine ignition perforance with Zero maintenance this Spring simply by swapping your timer for an E-Timer.

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Hi Chris, the website is not set up for international orders. Just send me an email ( mictel@comcast.net ) stating what you would like and shipping address you would like it sent and I will provide you a shipping quote with instructions for placing your order.

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The forum leadership deserves thanks and recognition for being sensitive to the views and concerns of forum users. The new Services forum subcategory is a proactive compromise to resolve differences of opinion on what content should and should not be permitted on the discussion forum. I welcome and ...

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Paul wrote:

if the fuse burns out, will I see it looking burnt?

No, you have to check them with an Ohm Meter to see if they are blown.

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Paul said: The timer is an E-Timer and the points have little jump wires but not the little green fuses that the E-Timer The coil points should be shunted with the little green fuses when using the E-Timer NOT jumper wires. The reason is for safety. The fuse jumpers provide a level of protection If ...

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Neil, The professional coil rebuilder who propagates the myth Model T coils Must Only be adjusted using AC because they designed to Run on AC (Magneto) simply does NOT understand the fundamental operation of the Model T ignition system. As I have attempted to explain to you on numerous occasions in ...

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Darin, Proper Timer setting range is very important for safe cranking and optimal engine performance. Here is a link to illustrated instructions on how to verify initial spark setting 15 degrees After TDC with spark lever fully retarded and how to test for minimum adjustment range. https://img1.wsim...

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Still time for another New Year Resolution: Learn the art of coil testing and adjusting and keep your Model T running at peak performance year round. WARNING! : Proficient knowledge and skills of Model T coil adjusting with the ECCT can be habbit forming. Incidences of increased popularity with req...

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New Year Resolution Suggestion: Stop spending time cleaning, lubricating or replacing Model T Timer ever again. Get an Ideal Timer www.modeltitimer.com

And enjoy the best engine performance possible using properly adjusted coils.

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Still time to get going on your New Year resolutions.

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HB young man.

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HB Stan URD man

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Coils seem to operate with no capacitor, but the points don't seem to last very long. Coils with no capacitor (or bad capacitor with little to no value) are vulnerable to point arcing as the contacts break (open). The situation is similar to arc welding where the operator strikes the work with weld...

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What all does the HCCT do anyway? Properly adjusted Model T coils are essential for optimal engine performance. Properly adjusted coils means the coils are adjusted for equal and consistent firing time from the moment the Timer (aka commutator) activates the coil to fire spark when the piston at th...

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Busy working in Santa's Model T work shop; he knows who's been naughty (?) and Nice. Better be good for goodness sake!

Happy Holidays!

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Pleased to read some good news. Wishing Kevin a full and speedy recovery.

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Rob, so sorry to learn of your friend Tom's entry into Hospice and hope he will receive the care and support he needs at this difficult time. Thanks for sharing your experience with Tom and his unique craftmanship.

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Holy Moley, that's 4 X the cost of the modern coil tester and doesn't even test the capacitor is good!

Wonder museum piece though.

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Great question Darren, several folks have successfully built early coil adapters for Heinz, Kingston and early trembler coils with good reported results. All that is necessary is to build a physical coil adapter that contacts the coil power terminal and timer terminal. These 2 wires are then connect...

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Thanks for sharing your coil test anomaly Don. Please let us know if/when you have a chance to verify engine performance results are excellent using this low inductance (2.56mH) coil with 3 other coils with nominal coil primary inductance (3.3mH +/-20%) that are all properly adjusted (for the same n...

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Very sorry to learn of the sad news. Condolences to friends and family.

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The question really should be: is it Useable? The answer is YES. You compensated for the lower primary inductance by adjusting the points to fire at the correct time. Same time as the other coils you use in the car and can expect excellent engine ignition performance. There really is nothing to "rep...

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This is a great educational example of what can be encountered given the vast population of Model T coils and their age. The nominal Model T coil Primary Inductance value is 3.3mH as Bob points out. The test results shown measured the primary inductance 2.56mH which is lower than the nominal range (...

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Interested in an original K&W set, are the coil points properly adjusted? What tool was used to adjust them? Thanks

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Folks abandoned or still abandon the original Model T ignition system out of frustration and convenience in my view. The tools necessary to properly adjust coil points were scarce, expensive and elusive to master discouraging to the DIYer. The alternative was the periodic expense and inconvenience o...

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Pulled the tired engine out of out 27 Touring for rebuilding with help from my Son Chris.

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Neil, as you are aware, I explained the misnomer about using AC (HCCT) versus DC (ECCT) as the preferred stimulus for adjusting coils in detail back in this thread. https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15159&p=115785&hilit=We+all+make+mistakes#p115785 Keep in mind the AC current does NOT rev...

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What is point arcing? Why is it worse than "Double Sparking" and how is it eliminated?

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New Year Resolution Suggestion: Learn how to Test and Adjust Model T coils.
(for equal and consistent firing Time using the ECCT)

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New Year Resolution Suggestion: Return Model T back to stock appearance using buzz coils.
(but with zero maintenance and exceptional performance; install an E-Timer)

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Yup, the Model T electrical system is a VERY hostile environment for modern electronic devices. That's why magneto measurements are made using an analog meter. The electric noise produced by the coils causes digital meters to vary widely. Steve, think back to your Radio days, how did your skit make ...

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Offline reply got it right, No math required. VL/IL is a constant so Dwell time to fire spark (t) varies directly with coil inductance (L) variation when all coils are adjusted for Exactly identical average coil current. If Coil inductance (L) varies by +/-20%, coil dwell time to fire spark varies +...

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Very sorry to learn this sad news. Condolances to the family and Model T friends.

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...and I wonder if Henry and Edison was aware of that positive side effect? Yes, I believe the design and operation of the Model T magneto ignition system was very well understood. The fact the magnets on the flywheel are advanced with respect to the piston position to account for the coil charge d...

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John, thanks for the screen shots of your coil test results. I'm not too familiar with the DIY TTF. If the measurement is correct, 22.6A in 0.35ms indicates a shorted (low resistance) primary coil (inductance well below the 0.0033H) which would result in high DC current that is reached very fast (0....

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Art, a few clarifications; The equation I presented does not predict current saturation. The equations specifies the how fast the current rises with time given the values of coil inductance, coil voltage and length of time the current is flowing in the coil primary starting from rest. If there was n...

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Art, the coil dwell time to fire spark is inversely proportional to the operating voltage. The dwell time to fire operating on 6V is approximately twice as long as operating on 12V (2ms). So where does this magic 2ms dwell time come from? Physics. The relationship between coil voltage (VL), coil ind...

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John, can you post a screen shot showing the single spark test result and the multi-spark test result. Run both tests then press the following 3 keys simultaneously: Ctrl + Alt + PrtSc That will take a screen capture of the test screen that you can paste the screen shot into Word or Paint then save ...

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Looks like a great product, thanks for sharing the information. Any chance it would help me improve performance on my Vaporizer? Any Uncle Stan's easy helpful hints that would?

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Mark, Operating on 6V battery should run well above 1200 RPM if: 1. You have sufficient timing advance range (sufficient timer rotation). and 2. Your coils are properly adjusted for equal and consistent firing time. The method your Uncle used to set up coils with an oscilloscope likely resulted in e...

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The ultimate in convenience and Model T Engine ignition performance with over 10 years proven reliability.

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The difference between an Engine that Runs and an Engine that Runs well is coils adjusted for equal and consistent firing Time.

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Happy Birthday Marines! Thank you for your service to our country.

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Thank you Veterans for your service.

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HB Dean!
Mike

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Its coil maintenance and rebuilding season. Don't forget to set your points back to spec

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Good move Mark, coil points are more vulnerable to mis-adjustment than many realize. Simple, inexpensive insurance to protect your back up coil. Getting coils properly adjusted is very important, keeping them from getting bumped during transit and installation is just as important.

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Erik does great work with fine attention to detail. That includes packing the coils to prevent mis-adjustment during shipping.

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Distributor Alternative:

Stock Appearance, Automatic Timing Advance and Zero Maintenance.

Performance and Convenience without the stigma.

Model T E-Timer Electronic Ignition. Visit www.modeltetimer.com for more information

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Thanks for your comments Mario, appreciate the feedback.

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Brand New ECCT coil tester - This tool has earned the reputation as the New Standard for testing and adjusting Model T coils. The ECCT Actually measures how long it takes the coil to fire spark ( Not coil current!). All coils can be precisely adjusted for equal firing time to minimize cylinder to cy...

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Here is measured performance data I took for three ignition operating conditions: 6V Battery, 12V Battery and Magneto using a New Day Timer and professionally adjusted coils. Battery versus Magneto Performance Comparion.jpg Ignition operating on 12V battery was equivalent to Magneto operation when s...

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The Ideal Timer for the Model T realy does exist. Www.modeltitimer.com

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Yes indeed, excellent firing consistancy is very important for performance. Some coils are easier to attain excellent firing consistancy than others, largely due to excessive cushion spring travel. Finding the sweet spot for cushion spring tension can be a real challange when there is more than 0.01...

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Its been a while since the MTFCA Webinar on Model T coil testing and tuning and with over 400 views; was wondering if there were any questions or interest in a follow up webinar. Anyone come across a problematic coil they cannot figure out? Need further details on diagnosing performance issues and h...

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A chain makes a great analogy for an optimal running engine and troubleshooting aid.

: Weak link in the chain.JPG (26.11 KiB) Viewed 580 times

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Never running an Ideal Timer.

Never needs maintenance, Never wares out Never needs replacing. Activates the coils with the same precision and reliability as the day first installed. More information can be found here: www.modeltitimer.com

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Surprising but oxidation on the spark ring and/or pointer can impead or prevent arcing between electrodes. This is the first thing you should check when experiencing a coil with missing sparks before concluding the coil suffers from irreparable internal arcing. Any good handbook HCCT operation shoul...

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At 13.5V the battery will be maintained definately without risk of boiling out the electrolyte or over charging.

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Did you remove the roller? Some CAM shafts are drilled all the way through allowing the roller to be installed 180 degrees off (i.e. Backwards)

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Answers: Yes, +/- 1 degree variation @ 1000 RPM

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Great response and almost caught up on orders, thanks for everyone's patience. Thanks MTFCA!

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Dennis, Yes, it was processed but the email address bounced.

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Thanks for the suggestion Dave, perhaps next year.

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Magneto Test Option for the ECCT Half off Labor Day Special! Magneto Test Result.JPG Add Magneto Test capability to your ECCT to check magneto output is sufficient to properly operate Model T coils. Instructions and software needed to enable the magneto test function will be sent via e-mail after p...

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Rick, it seems apparent from your posts that your 1925 engine not starting may not be rooted in your coils not working. You should follow the suggestions to clean the timer contacts and verify all coils fire in order (1, 2, 4, 3, 1, 2, 4, 3...) as you rotate the crank repeatedly as you are now aware...

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Rick, Just to be clear; The Model T crank requires 2 complete 360 degree turns for the engine to cycle through each cylinder firing (coil buzzing) position. The coils should buzz in sequence as you turn the crank: cylinder 1 then 2 then 4 then cylinder 3 as you complete 2 full turns of the crank. Th...

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Nice job Matt, the project has come a long way. Surely you have expanded your knowledge considerably and will have the opportunity to learn much more.

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Ron, the Forum deserves justification for your accusations discrediting my technical explanations or you owe me an apology for your unsubstantiated outburst. I would welcome either. Leaving the good folks here dazed and confused not knowing what to believe about the Model T ignition system operation...

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Ron, very disappointed with your belligerent tone, unsubstantiated accusations and disparaging remarks of my technical knowledge. Concerned I posted incorrect information, I asked a knowledgeable peer to review my post for accuracy; concise and accurate was the opinion with one exception. My stateme...

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Philip reported his no-load magneto voltage measurements dropped about 5V when he operated his car on magneto. That is a lot to drop, however, the magneto output is extremely noisy when operating on magneto so the voltage measurements may be skewed significantly. I agree a repeat of his original mea...

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Neil, Unfortunately, HCCT vs ECCT test comparisons are a waste of time as they are based on entirely different principles for adjusting Model T coils. The HCCT method is well documented and should be used as the guide. Best results are achieved when all 4 coils have identical physical and electrical...

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Jim, your perceived inaccuracies are indeed just that. Here is a link to a great article that explains the Ford Model T ignition system and spark timing while operating on magneto that I believe you will find very insightful: http://www.funprojects.com/pdf/Model%20T%20Ignition%20System-Final%20Artit...

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Neil, Apologies if I missed your inquiries about the Time To Fire (TTF) method of coil point adjustment. The TTF method of coil point adjustment is done by applying a fast pulse of electricity to a coil at rest and measuring the Time it takes to produce a spark. For example, the coil current rises n...

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Hi Ron, Good to see you active on the Forum again! I re-read my post and believe it to be accurate but acknowledge we all make mistakes. I certainly would not have intentionally posted false or misleading information. Please let us know what I stated that you feel was incorrect. Thanks!

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This IS a discussion Forum; I thought everyone's honest experience relative to the discussion is welcome and adds value. Thought police comments, not so much.

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Philip, a few comments and suggestions for your magneto performance investigation: Coil Adjustment Comments When were the coils last checked on the ECCT? What was the multi-spark firing consistency test result? Coil point adjustment does drift with time/usage and is vulnerable to mis-adjustment if n...

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Very sorry to learn this sad news. Condolances to the family and forum friends.

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Sorry to learn of your magneto woes. By shorted I presume you mean the magneto output post got shorted to ground and then there is no magneto output. I'm not sure if shorting the magneto output to engine ground will result in demagnitization of the magnets but doubt it will damage the windings. Othe...

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Checked the rod bearings and shims because I noticed an increase in engine noise during coasting. Good thing I did. All rod bearings loose back/forth play with all shims removed and excessive Left/Right play (crank out of round?) Rod cap for number 2 was missing a chunk of Babbit. That's a show stop...

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Leaking vent repair went smooth. Removed the bowl and float, blew out the ball valve (thought I had the needle/seat type). Replaced the gasket and re-assembled. All appears well. Drained the fuel tank, removed the shut off valve and found a couple large pieces of debris in the fuel tank blocking fue...

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That's another good suggestion. A friend told me about that lube and gave me some to try and this occasion would be a good opportunity. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Thanks for the Rx Dave but plan to take the holistic approach endorsed by Scott and Mark. ;) Will try to drop the bowel and clean he Needle and Seat later today. Also figure it a good idea to check and clean the sentiment screen also since something may have made it past into the fuel bowel. Will re...

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Thanks Scott

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Vaporizer fuel bowel vent (M) started leaking gas sitting not run in a couple of days in garage with fuel shut off. Does this indicate a float or needle valve issue?

I am inclined to remove the fuel bowl and clean the needle and seat. Am I on the right track?

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