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Jim, Try Classifieds |( Parts parts for sale) 6th post from the bottom, Tues June 24 ..25, Roger Erickson has 3/16 x 1inch truss head rivets....n

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Nathon,
It seems wrong to me to have the towing hitch BALL mounted on the trailer instead ol the towing vehicle. Is that an American idea ?, We down under have our ball on the vehicle....n

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Go for it Ron, the truth of information will not hurt anyone and help the new "T" ers ....n

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Haha, I just recieved Allans 17/20 muffler that was advertised on the forum, great buy from the man down under.....n

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Should have said "Please put me down....." ...n

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Hi Allan from down under,
Put me down for the 1917/20 T muffler, Sending Email....n

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Hi David and Russ,
My Wife and myself have owned a 1918 T coupelet / Coupe for near two years and would like to be involved in your club group and hopefully get "Clara's Henry" mobile again. Thanks for your time. ..Regards Neil.

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May be a 1916 with brass radiator and 1917 guards (Fenders)....n

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May be a 1916 with 1917 Guards (FENDERS) and a brass radiator....n

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1917 build 1918 Model T....n

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Wonder what photo 10 engine number is, it could be here down under.

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Robert,
At the expense for the cost of a modern ECCT DC coil tester, why did you change from using the Hcct coil tester that you used for years? Do you find the ecct more accurate and why?....n

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The coils were most probably running on battery full time and not on Magneto which causes the centre core to become a permanent magnet that hold down the vibrating point. ....n

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Susanne Dec 02 4.01am.
Mr Rohner,
I feel that you are one of the only few people that know the workings of the Model T ignition system. .....n

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Yes Allan, with a 6x4 box trailer to the closest tip. nice ute ....n

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"Yikes again,"
I could say that Our Henry organised that crash test to show the strength of the below axle wish bone. Even the castor angle looks correct. ....n

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Paul, Would it be that you have installed the mounting screws of the lower bus bar up side down, because if the screws are too long they would hold up the coils up from the spring contacts of the busbar giving you no meter and or test light reading and an open circuit situation with your ignition co...

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Get into the PORK CHOP Tom,
I like your style and your weekly contribution to the clubs forum. 100% effort.....n

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Paul,
2nd last photo in your first post16 Aug. What are the green thingies connected across the coil points ???... are they fuseable links or they small capacitors ??? by mistake....n

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Should have referred to the second photo, Re wide track....n

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John..E.
Could be a wide track??..Could you please tell me what the brushes are for beside the tyres? ....n

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ALL, As per the attached photos, it shows where the pieces of steel (ball bearing cage)came from as per my post July 10 . The lower photo shows the rubber covered seal that was forced (including with the other bearing pieces) out between the bearing / uni joint housing and the clutch pressure spring...

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Its a Model T Allan,
As built by Ford it will get you home on 3 Coils and as proven with this problem, with 3 main bearings....n

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All, Those pieces of steel are the part remains of the 4th crankshaft main bearing ball cage, You may get away with a new universal joint ball cap if you can recover all the bits and pieces. Have fun....Neil.

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Steve,
Email sent, I would like to purchase your lamps, Thanks, Regards Neil.

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The pump is fitted to a T chassis because I can see the two running board truss rods under the vehicle and in front of the rear wheels ....n

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Geee Art,
That is a dangerous way to flash your mag coils, have you ever seen or been near an under load or being charged battery when a naked spark has ignited the acid gasses put out from the battery ? My magnetiser would on the end of a set heavy duty jumper leads with my safety glasses on. ....n

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Craig,
I thought they looked like oval spokes and that is why I suggested a photo of the car involved.
Walt.
Email sent, ....n

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Mr Walt,
May be if you post a photo of the T that the wheel is needed, your re quest may be full filled. A picture tells a thousand words. ....n.

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How about Freighter Jim, I have learnt a lot about the USA country side through his posts and even Mr Walt Wise with his 1918 Couplet posts....n

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Hi All, I believe the problem is an excessive current draw on the model T magneto. I would make sure that the battery is reasonably well charged and I feel that the coils being set up with on electronic coil tester (FACT) is drawing too much current ( Try a higher ttf ) It would be interesting to kn...

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Robert,
Don't use a roll pin as you will not be able to get it out when you want to service the timer assembly when needed , just fashion up a rivet or nail and slide the retainer sleeve on then securing nut. ....n

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Don't get your *#@% 's in a knot boys, after all this the GENERAL DISCUSSION section of the MTFCA Forum and this is we all learn the goodies of the Model T and how it works. After fiddling with 'T' electricals as an Electrical Apprentice from 1956 and owning T's since 1964, I try and learn something...

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Rich, I don't think the steel frame is part of the truck but could be a fire escape for the building. The piece of timber at the rear at cab height could be part of the rear frame to hold the load....n

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Thanks Mark for the links to the magneto literature and for your computer expertise....n

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Mark, Any chance of a copy of the modern prints oy the instructions and parts manual before it goes, Thanks for your time. Please return cost and payment details . If sale does not go through please put me on the ....n

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HaHa, The mouth has spoken again, Poor Art is climbing up the wrong tree so maybe someone else with a bit of electrical knowledge will be able help him, Come on RON P and everyone will be educated....n

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Art M, Which half wave doesn't go to the coils ?, As the voltage/current alternates in a Ford Magneto of which it does 16 times per revolution (8 pos and 8neg) then the diode charger receives 8 pos charges and 8 neg charges, Your diode charger decides which cycle it uses by its design specification....

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Allan and Jeff, I agree with you both, My TT has a three speed Cast Iron War-Ford, Victor axillary gearbox mounted onto the worm shaft of my 5/1 high speed low ratio worm and wheel Ruckstell running on 32x4.5 tyres (23 inch) TT wheels. I preselect the three speed box from under the rear of the TT fo...

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Duey-C,
I would check the formula for caps connected in parallel...n

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Matt and Scott, Could please explain your testing procedure using the high voltage Megger (R) to weed out your 3% of dud coils to the garbage bin. Please indicate what and where you test the coil. Thanks for your time....n

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Yes Ron, and you would also have to break the H T(secondary) winding connection with the LT(primary) winding at the timer terminal on the coil. The 1000v megger test across the point screws would most probably show a short and the same with a megger test from the LT(primary) winding to the steel cor...

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Hi Matt, Can you fill us in re megger test on the secondary and what voltage is applied by the megger? This is a very constructive thread and the members will learn a lot. Looking forward to tomorrows post.....n

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Duey_c, If you used your HCCT and not a battery to energise your circuit, you would melt before the tar melts, I find that the best way to test the H/T winding and condenser is to use a generator/starter armature growler, screw the points mounting screw into the magneto rotor and place it onto the g...

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Duane.
The resultant voltage and frequency from the trembler coil points would be virtually the same as that produced buy the high voltage magneto coil primary circuit. go for it.. i would still worry using 12 volts on the coil....n

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The switched voltage and frequency would be extremely high,
The coil could last using 6volts but i doubt it using 12 volts......n

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Found the photo, I was on the wrong page.....n

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Eric,
Where is the link ???....n

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Keith, I wouldn't worry about those radial grooves, my concern is the colour of the timer contact surface and the blue colour on the brush. The timer surface looks burnt indicating an excessive coil current draw. could need your coils adjusted for a lower draw or excessive timer brush pressure. Do y...

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Yes Donnie, that was Chickasha 2016 when i answered an offer from Tony to transport goods and chattels from west to the swap meet. I contacted Tony via forum and requested a return cartage for yours then my new project, our 1908 Reliable Dayton motor buggy. Tony accepted the request with no problem ...

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I agree with you Steve, and my wife has a different opinion.
The only non demountable rims are on the front of our TT....n

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John, You look great for a 26/27 model....n

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Good one Tim.....n

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To me it looks to be a right hand drive vehicle< Drivers hands, speedo drive on RHS front wheel or could the photo be reversed???.....n

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David, Email sent, Thanks Admin....n

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Bryant,
Can you please tell me why the rear tyres on the fendt 933 are mounted in reverse (tread pattern that is ) I have an F with a trackson conversion and an F on steels and am not familiar with rubber tyre patterns...love yours and Duey's tractor talk.....n

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Very interesting information, thanks Pat for the story....n

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For what it is worth (my thoughts), I don't use the "Upper bridge lock nut" because after setting the trembler coil points and I service 5 coils in a batch ...(4 for the vehicle and 1 to go under the seat to help out another vehicle with a dud coil)...to all fire at the same TDC (or point of combust...

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Robert... I do not know Shawn, and If he contacts me I will sure help him out,,,n

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What did you learn Bob ?, Who is right?, and Who is wrong. ...n

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Try a 1923 or 24 Chevrolet 4cyl,...n

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Bob,
I miss Herms comments also and I agree with his HCCT rpm too,....n

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Steve J,
How about including Chickasha on the way ?...n

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Can I dream too??? I will be 85 then. 1918 TT or 1918 tourer

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Thanks F J for your thought and time for the video.
Looking forward to the next workshop tour....n

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To the top of the class Ron P. As Matt from Cal described the coil box, it has only two contact terminals, would say Bat/mag live terminal(screw) and load terminal(coil box side ) and as there is no third terminal, I would say that there is no High tension coil inside the said coil box consequently ...

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isn't that coil a master vibrator coil? ...n

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Interesting JohnH, thanks....n,

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Matt, I use a KRW HCCT and if I motorised it I would be game to take it up to say 1000rpm but I cannot see any need to do that. If my memory is correct, 65years ago at Trade school I seem to remember that electricity travels at the speed if light, 186,000 miles/second so why would the timing change ...

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Great work Matt with your electronic skills but I think you are wasting your time with Model T coils using DC as a set up voltage even though you can pulse and vary the potential difference of the source, Try using a HCCT and the point of fire Method (try for TDC) and with the Three adjustments, adj...

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Norman, I feel that you are right when running a model T on a battery (DC), Timer position is critical for equal cylinder firing. When a model T in running on magneto (AC) the timer only switches on the current from the power generating magneto and the coil is fired by the voltage rise from (V-negat...

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Thanks Tom,
What a great group of photographs and yes Allan, the load does look a bit grubby...n

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JohnH, We cant help the Model T's that have been fed into the smelters, but we car help save the vehicles that are out in the fields and properties and get them undercover. The thing that annoys and disappoints me is the complete/near complete cars that gets PARTERED OUT because of the $$$$ greed......

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As you requested Tony,
Good luck with your voltage regulation pursuit and thanks for your (and others in this hobby) time, skill and energy. and thanks again for your delivery expertise of the buggy from Chickasha.....n

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Warwick, Just stick with your Toyota.......n

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Well said Scott, Top of the class, One jelly bean for you....
I would love to see the Scope trace of the HEINZE coil compered with a post 1914 style coil.....n

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I am with you Norman, Lynette and myself start our 59th next week.....n

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Well Done Rainer, You are on the ball. It is good to see people thinking for themselves.
You could be Number Four.....n

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Waiting for my other, as Scott_C noted (Two People, but I can now say Three and maybe Four are getting close) are on the right track of knowing the correct working and adjustment of the model T coil and magneto system....n

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Re Post Scott_Conger Dec 8th 2021 1.47pm. I reread Jeffery's (I assume that is the name his mother gave him, a little different from OP) and seeing that my first and second TWO PEOPLE didn't reply to your request I thought that I would. Jeffery, At your first question mark.......YES, Seeing that you...

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Speedytinc. John, Re 4th line down, "Now knowing the coils are now tuned"....Is that on a DC powered testing device?. Re Last paragraph, Put your DC powered(ecct) tested coils on a HCCT and you will find that y our POINT OF FIRE (POF) not TTF will vary in degrees and change while RPM, frequency and ...

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Speedytinc. John, Re 4th line down, "Now knowing the coils are now tuned"....Is that on a DC powered testing device?. Re Last paragraph, Put your DC powered(ecct) tested coils on a HCCT and you will find that y our POINT OF FIRE (POF) not TTF will vary in degrees and change while RPM, frequency and ...

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Jeff10049, Jeffrey, You are correct re the advanced fire point of a few degrees but they also retard a few also. I find the point of fire varies with engine RPM and or HCCT RPM and the coil current setting. The thing to learn is how to adjust the coils and on what device to suit your needs, be it Mo...

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TXGOAT2.
Pat, You have been accepted as being one of three persons knowing the functions of the Model T ignition/magneto system. I would also include a variation of applied voltage to the coils in your statement....Neil..

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dykker5502, Michael, You seem to be the only other Model T person to know how the T ignition system works (Trembler coils and Magneto). I do query your statement where you say that the coil fires on top and or bottom of the wave form. I would say somewhere on the voltage ramp up either V+ and down V...

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Thanks Dan,
WE were corresponding then they stopped. I think it was traded on a 1925 coupe which came up in the classifieds. I could be wrong....Thanks again for your reply.....n.

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Hi Donnie and Mrs Donnie,
As proven by your previous skill and judgement, I am after a 1918 T coupe body of (aka R D quality) with suicide doors and strap style window lifts. Mechanical condition, if any is not important. Could be same deal as with R D. Have fun and be safe. ...Neil.

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Shawn, You don't need glass tape for bobbin plate repairs, I have repaired many > 30 volt AC Model T bobbin plates and rewound and taped thousands of >240 volt AC coils using linen tape. The important item is the insulating varnish used to secure the coils from vibrating. Where are you in VIC ? Send...

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I do hope young Bruce Jnr is wearing EAR PLUGS while using the Grinder, Great thread..n.

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Well said Dick..
..A nice simple basic answer to a nice simple everyday basic question.. (Maybe not an everyday question)....n.

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There is an issue with the electronic type of coil tester and the Model T trembler coil capacitors.
There is a thread on the Forum with the problem explained about a month ago. Maybe a computer expert can locate the thread, or maybe Mr MKosser will chime in...n

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UPDATE...September 2nd and 3rd...n

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Two rear 26/27 spring purchases for sale, Parts for sale , August 12....6.06am..n.

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Ignacio, 1a...I would rasp or course sand down the ends of the brake linings between the lining ends and the two rivets, the end of the linings are sticking out past the diameter of the steel drum. 1b...I would pull the brake rod clevis pin to allow the brake shoe cam to centralise. 2...I would put ...

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Thanks, I have not riveted them yet so can still switch. Are you saying the brake lever lobe is supposed to facee the rear of the car? The brake cam lobe faces the front as in the photo but the actuating lever should be facing to the rear towards the axle tube when the whole unit is riveted togethe...

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Well said Luke,
Its a shame people don't think before they chuck a mental ..n

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Ignacio, Just following up on your speedster build and noticed an error regarding the rear brake photo dated Monday April 12 2021 1.30am. I feel that you have the brake lever (could be off the other side) in the wrong position. In the off position the lever should be close to the axle tubes to give ...

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Beaut generator set over rear axle... Looks like front wheels are on reversed as compered with the previous photo....n.

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John,
Great and interesting photo of a two Lung two horsepower vehicular ferry.
Would be a slow old trip coming this way if the horses had to walk backwards....

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Haha, I now will be able to rest in Peace seeing that my repaired and adjusted HCCT trembler coils with correct value capacitors had failed under test with the Ecct are now OK, and I will not get stranded on the road somewhere.....n.

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