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I’m assuming Mossberg made Ford tools also if that’s the same one that’s the Mossberg gun maker.
Is the tool bent or was it made that way. I bet that’s another aftermarket Ford tool that’s gets overlooked if your really not looking for one. Neat.

I never knew that there was a tool to do this until a few years ago. When I changed out the engines in my T’s I used a string or wire to hold the unjoint level and slowly pushed the engine in place and then turned the engine in relation to the square unjoint. Worked every time.

It’s another way of saying ‘around 1920’ as far as the date. The Touring car that’s in the middle front looks in pretty good shape other than the tare on the top that was probably put there by the crane. And if it was a junk yard shot the junk yard type of cars wouldn’t be in that good of shape thes...

Looking close you can see the demountable rims and tires were removed from the cars. Most of the spoke wheels look to be in good shape too. Interesting.

Lang’s is open and using a very small staff. Snyder’s is also open I placed an order with them. They also have minimal staff. Others are are probably doing something similar as other businesses are.

Hope there wasn’t any 09 2 pedal T’s in that paticular
pile but there probably was in the next pile down the road!

Do you still have the original hood that came with the car? If it was the fan blade the hood would have a good lick on it. But then again maybe the hood was off or?????

Ask them if they have another identical tank in stock. If not send them a picture of the damage and what it would cost fix it and pay you the cost in repairs. Get their money first of course. If they want it back there is a reason for them to want it. If your a good haggler and can keep from losing ...

I was a maintenance mechanic for many years and among other things I worked on was high rpm water pumps. The band looks to me exactly like the square asbestos pump packing that those kind of pumps use. It looks like the 4 square packing strips(if that’s what it is) is bonded or attached to the steel...

I would hope that buyers had the opportunity to look at the cars and actually talked to the buyers in some way before they bought off of Ebay. But when you have deep pockets to go into and click the computer to buy without looking that may or may not be a good thing. There are deals certainly to be ...

In my situation I documented the packaging, the item, and the information on the box that has the type of cardboard and strength type. I took pictures and sent them to the shipper which was UPS. I received replacement costs a little later. My situation turned out that UPS was at fault. Since that’s ...

Who was the shipper? Make sure you document everything and tale a picture of the packaging. Some shippers just throw the packages around and it’s not always the vendors fault when there is damages. Been there before.

Mine look like yours also Dan! Thanks.

Snyder’s, Lang’s and other vendors have these in their catalogs or websites. The catalogs are really helpful as a parts and reference guide also. They will usually send you a free catalog if you ask or make a purchase from them just ask. They can be found on this website on the home page under suppl...

Dan on your last post the rim looks like a new rim. Very nice in the close up. Just wondering if it is.

I removed a spare tire carrier from a parts frame to mount on my 24 Coupe. They were 3/8” fine thread bolts and nuts like the majority of bolts used on a T. Seems like they were 1 1/2” long. What ever length they were it was long enough for a nut and lock washer and 1/4” past the nut when tightened....

I also have to say that it looks like a LOT of weight for a T to pull with 20-22 hp! He would have burned out the low band pretty fast driving in hilly country. And not real brakes as we think of today. OSHA approved ???? Makes you wonder.

When you get your dash and firewall set up there will be times to adjust the carb setting. A thing to remember is to leave the carb nut just loose enough to screw in the carb needle valve to bottom out securely. Not to tight though!! When you start backing off the needle valve with the adjustment to...

The carb adjustment rod for cars goes through the slot that’s on the firewall. If the TT metal firewalls are like the cars it would be the same location. It’s about a 1” or so long. Others that have a TT would know for sure.

The body that’s used in the TT trailer pic looks like a 16 body. It’s newer than the one that’s shown in the Henry Ford museum pic or it looks that way to me.

If you want to run a T on mag and be sure about it I would buy a rebuilt mag ring. With yours as a trade in for a rebuilt is around 200.00. If yours is an original and never been rebuilt the insulation is 100 years old. Yes I know it’s about the cost but to be sure I would get a rebuilt. That’s what...

I’ve read where people have used the acrylic lacquer from auto paint stores and having the store putting it in spray cans. I called one of the stores in our town a couple of years ago and at that time it was around $20.00 a can. You would want to use primer with it fo a base I would think. Just a th...

The spindles and arms should have T part no.s on them to differentiate between them. I think that’s correct as I remember. Others might know for sure. I can my remember that the spindles and arms on my 24 Coupe and 21 Touring had different no’s on them respective of left and right.

Don’t know how much you want to spend but a good stock cam can probably be had from Lang’s or someone else along with a new aluminum timing gear. I have 3 T’s and rebuilt the engines in them using a good used cam with no issues. Some will frown about using used parts but I did use new cam bearings a...

Bet that was an impromptu shot. The guy who took the picture probably asked the mechanics to crawl out from under the cars and line up for a shot. There was enough grease on the their coveralls to kill any bug that landed on them! Big or little! Great real life shot!

Next best thing from sandblasting is degreasing with a can or two of spray degreaser. Use a water hose or pressure washer to wash it off and then scrap it if necessary to smooth down the surface for painting. The front end doesn’t need to be prepped like a nice body paint job. It’s up to you how far...

Just curious Steve but did you take along cans of pork and beans and vienna sausage? That’s what I would eat for my main course anyway!

Maybe Lang’s has an answer. I would ask them.

I can remember a line in one of Floyd Clymers book that said” when things get blue in the garage let it go and come back another day.” Good advice that’s been around a LONG time.

As Russ T Fender said there are lots of opinions about what type of oil that should be used in a Model T engine. Today’s oil is way better than what was used in the Model T era. With that said I use HD 10-W30. I buy the house brand at Wal-Mart, Autozone ,TSC and etc. An older worn engine whether it’...

You can go to Fordwood and check out the body wood pics for the 26-27 Touring and can get an idea where the wood goes in these bodies. You may already have looked at their website. It’s not as good as a set of wood plans but it’s better than nothing so you get an idea.

Another interesting thing about the abandoned T was the windshield wasn’t broken out. Kind of unusual in my mind. Makes you wonder how long the T sat there.

It’s a shame that the Dodge was just left out in the open and just rot down. Reminds me of the old wrecking yard that was near where my Grandparents lived. Several cars in the late 30’s and 40’s were all solid cars that the owner was waiting for the right price. 2 were 30’s era Packards that literal...

It’s been sitting for a while. The brass looks dulled out if that makes any difference. I like T’s and have 3 black era cars but if I wanted to spend that kind of money I’d buy a car in the 60’s that’s been restored that would go ‘around’ 100 mph for sure. The T speedster is a 15-18,000 car at the m...

To 1923 T
If you’ve never been to a swap meet and if you something that you need or like and the price is reasonable, you had better buy it then or fairly soon.
If you don’t it will be gone!
Lots of fun looking for T treasure. And remember that one mans trash is another mans treasure!
Good luck.

Good point! By the 40’s T’s and their remains were looked upon like we look at old lawnmowers these day. Not worth fixing and hoping somebody will pick it up when you put out your garbage cans for garbage pickup. This paticular T might have been picked up by the local farmer and maybe made into a tr...

Wow! The key word in the advertisement is that’s it’s cheaper than rebushing your front end. But lots of folks would do it for a temporary fix.
Sort of like filling up your tire with green slime instead of actually fixing a flat. And yes I’ve done that!

Looks like it has an original radiator on it. Just letting you know that usually original radiators won’t cool well. Most that have T’s. have to get them recored or just buy a new one. Maybe you’ll be lucky but that’s what usually happens with old radiators. They lose their cooling capabilities afte...

If the front fenders are the ones that came with it originally they are the ones that Ford used from 17- early 23. Later fenders had a lip just under the headlight from early 23-25. Check to see if the engine has 1 or 2 chambers. 1 chamber is 17- early 23. 2 chambers is 23- 25. It would be neat if y...

Is that a wall phone on the wall just to the right of the T? Didn’t think there were phones of that type in a public area in that era but I’m probably wrong.

You may have already did a search but looking up Sunnen on the net they are still in business and make all types on honing equipment for injectors, etc. for Diesel engines. The 2 long shafts in the top of the picture look very similar to drive extensions we used in a large hammer drill at the shop I...

Most probably already know but when rebuilding the engine close inspection of the engine pan itself usually show the bolt holes are dimpled and likewise the pan inspection cover. This happens from years of working on the engine and retightening the bolts over and over. You can use a piece of flat ir...

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That’s a nice photo. Makes you wonder what the bldg looked like if it it was in color and not a recolorized version. Don’t know if it was touched up before. Maybe it was recently built when the photo was taken.

I don’t know about your other rims but it’s quite possible the rest or a least another one is in bad shape also. It would be a good idea to be on the lookout for some more rims at swap meets. Eventually the good used ones will get scarcer and harder to come by. That’s why new ones are being made but...

Hi again The length of the screw in the pic is 1 1/2”. If you look in the picture you can see it used a square head nut. I can’t remember if the hardware store (Ace) had square head nuts but seems to me you could use hex head nuts anyway. I did use flat washers though because they were on there orig...

Hello again Here is a pic of what the screw looks like that’s used on T open car door hinges. I have a 21 Touring that I restored and used new screws for the hinges. In the pic is a extra hinge that has an original hinge screw in it. I saved it as the others were shot. You can take your hinge to a h...

Saw you add. I found some door bolts at Ace hardware that were almost if not identical for my 21 Touring. There were 2 original that were still in the remains of the body that I used for a match.

That’s a nice 24 and better than fair condition! It’s great that the car wasn’t left outside behind a barn. They wind up that way sometimes and the weather just ruins them after many years. Not this one though. I’ll bet the wood is still in overall good shape.

Won’t fit. A lot of T parts will interchange but not this one.

Not for sure thats off of a T. Could be a piece from the garage floor that was picked up by the magnets if the pan was already off the engine.

So you are saying that the notch in the brush for the small pin in the original is moved over just a little? Maybe the one that you originally put in your car was the one that you set the spark advance rod with and it happened to be the wrong one? Interesting.

In the world of Model T’s I would suppose a 09 2 pedal T that still had the original engine and almost all original body that was with it from the factory might be more valuable than a pieced together 09 with the correct parts. But that’s a guess on my part.

I use a mixture of STP and oil to put engines together with. I coat all the bearing surfaces with it. Then coat the cylinders with it. Been doing it since my high school days. People have different ideas about doing it and what to use to use for engine assembly.

If that is a real event the guy in the car would have a heck of a bruise on his chest or the steering column through his chest when he came down. Or so it seems.

Good deal that you got your radiator. Yes it’s true that we Model T folks have to pay to play.

I bought a Bergs for my 24 Coupe and it works fine. No overheating and very well made. Brass works is a larger business and it seems like they could be faster but probably build radiators on an as sold basis. Don’t think Bergs or Brassworks has them going out the door by the dozens on a monthly basi...

This is why people go to swap meets and find some good parts for their T and try to do a rebuild themselves. The cost does add up with all new parts. Depending on the condition of the Babbitt the cost keeps going up. Are you sure all of your engine parts need replacing? Some people have the attitude...

Good rear ends are where you find them. Or it use to be anyway. Use to be that T parts were fairly plentiful in the country side and in central Texas at farm auctions there was always T trailers, engines and etc. Now not so much. Before he sold his farm I bought my neighbors T trailer that was a 24 ...

Neat picture. What’s interesting is the wrench she’s using. Looks like it’s some sort of pliers.
Looks like an early version of vise grips.

I guess the package was insured or it should have been. How was it packaged? I’ve had packages damaged by UPS but so far none by Fedex. It both instances the boxes weren’t packaged well or incorrectly. UPS paid in full for the damage and then some. And I kept the items and repaired them. Since my it...

The vendors catalogs have a lot of replacement parts in them. They are a good source of information about parts that can be used as a T reference guide. In other words you can learn about T’s and their parts and what’s different about them in respect of Model years.

It’s only illegal if you don’t get caught is the way some people see it.

I have Haggerty which works well for me. Very reasonable.

I used Krylon aluminum. It’s sort of a dull silver color and not really bright. Looked good to me.

Here you go.
Sandersreproglass.com
Antique and classic car glass and everything else in between.
Hope this helps.

Maybe take it to another auto glass shop? I think I would would want the brass channel. Research the glass shops to see what they can do. I had the original glass in my 24 Coupe replaced with laminated safety glass. Also in my 21 Touring with the same type glass and used the original glass channel o...

A big maybe at a swap meet for 400.00 but realistically 275- 300.00. Check out the shipping price. 300.00!
The spokes look to be in decent enough shape but for 400? Don’t think so.

You might already know this but when replacing a cracked drum with with another one good used drum can sometimes cause a noisy transmission. Not always but sometimes. It happened to me after I had rebuilt T transmissions over time with no major noise issues. I had read about it here on this forum bu...

Does your 23 have the drip edge still on the wood firewall? My 21 Touring didn’t have one. It was missing and it took a while to find one. I found a decent used one and at the time nobody reproduced them.

Another day in the life of a Model T. Wonderful at times and other times a lot of head scratching plus not so nice words are uttered a bunch of times!!

As far as cleaning up or unsticking old engines a tried and proven way of doing it was using about a gallon of kerosene and circulate through the engine. This usually would work with a T if the transmission clutch was really stuck. Nowadays kerosene is kind of expensive but when it was cheap it was ...

So what is the larger touring car in the front?

Hello and welcome! Sounds like you have a mechanical mind and have a good sense on what to do. That’s a plus. It’s a good idea to buy the Ford Service manual that’s available through the parts suppliers that can be found on the home page of the MTFCA website. It’s a excellent guide about working on ...

Since this is a either or issue about how to mount the transmission how was it done at the Ford factories when they were in production. Are there existing pictures of it being done at the factory? When you don’t have a lot of equipment usually at home for the average T hobbyist it would make sense t...

I think this is a staged photo. Bet the car isn’t a running car. If you look closely the the paint on the wheels looks like it was quickly slapped on. Also the right front wheel has what looks like a bird nest or something thats caught upon the wheel on the inside. It was cleaned up and rolled out o...

Wow! Again it just shows (when in doubt read the instructions!) Thanks Dan.

Kirkiep.
This is another instance in the Service manual where you have to look close and read between the lines! Sort of I guess.

So the missing head bolt is where the horn bracket would go? It does seem odd that the bolt hole in the head is shown without it. So it would be assumed that it would be that bolt would be tightened down last? Maybe it’s shown that way since the service manual shows a later black era car in it and t...

I guess it would depend if your a purist and want to be correct as much as possible for authenticity. Over time the steel firewalls were being used to replace the wood firewalls if they needed it. I would imagine dealers would replace the wood ones if the owner wanted an improvement which they were....

This is another instance in the manual that the procedure is described to where you have to read it. I wondered the same thing years ago about how to do it and didn’t notice it being explained that way. We had a Ford tractor that I removed the head to have the valves ground on it and I had bought a ...

It does look as though the driver is no taller than 5’5”. I have black era T’s and they don’t appear as roomy as the car does in this photo. I’m 6’2” and my legs will barely go under the steering wheel.

Different views if they are good or not. I would say if they work use them. Why not.

Years ago (being a lot younger!) when I dissembled my first T engine I did it on the floor. Removed the transmission cover, then the pan and finally the transmission laying horizontally on the floor. I didn’t have an engine stand at the time. It just looked like to me you could do it that way so tha...

Unless you want to go through a LOT of trouble besides the hassle I would leave it as is. This isn’t the first time and it won’t be the last that a Model T has a different engine no. than what’s on the title. Here in Texas the DMV is interested in seeing if the vin or engine no.s are from a stolen c...

The vendors also sell the ball shaped shims that can be added inside the ball joint to tighten things up a bit. You can also use a penny that’s been oval shaped. Get a socket and place a penny or a electrical box knockout and use a ball peen hammer to shape to fit. Temporary fixes that will work. If...

I would leave as is. If those are older or original bows they are probably rusted on the inside but not really bad. The bend is not really noticeable unless you look at it closely.

The way I understand the service book it’s “understood “ or “assumed “ the reader would know the springs, washers and nuts are pre assembled in transmission cover. The picture shows it put together before it’s lowered. Or that’s the way I understand it. You may have to use a screwdriver to move the ...

The older quality adjustable reamer sets can sometimes be found at farm or older garage auctions.
I got lucky and found a set at an equipment sell out auction 10 years ago. I wasn’t looking for one but nobody bid on it but me and I got it for 20.00. One of the best lucky buys I ever made.

So are the earlier frames also a little thinner than the later frames? If the early front cross member is thinner it would seem that the rest of the frame would be the same thickness also.

Just wondering.

Question: So did the pre 17 non starter and generator engines have a hotter spark since they had the double row magneto coil on them? Always wondered about that since the 3 T’s that I have are 1919 up with the later single row mag coil and with a starter. Of course they will start if I hand crank th...

NOS 23-25 Coupe Rear fender irons, might fit others also.
T5563B. and. T5390B.
Excellent condition. No marks of ever being installed. remains of original paint.
75.00 shipped to US 48. MO preferred
jak18529@yahoo.com

Looks like they were changing the coil points pretty often compared to other items!

Don’t know if you have one yet but the Model T Ford service manual has a 24-25 Touring car being dissembled. It does have a a pic of the hood blocks ( shelf) being removed. Not a lot of detail but enough of the car is being taken apart to give you an idea of how it would go back together. For many y...

I put one on my 1919 Runabout a few ago. It’s no. 7840I in Lang’s catalog log. They call it an inverted H. between the windshield halves. Don’t know if it’s for a closed or open car but it does work. It’s listed for 15-22.

Don’t know if the later frames had the Ford script on the front crossmember but the earlier ones did. I didn’t realize the script was on it until I started to clean mine up on my 21. I don’t think it’s stamped anywhere on the frame but on the front. Maybe I just didn’t look close enough.

To me the best part of this hub is the flange. It could be saved to be reused. Lang’s sells sandblasted used ones for 19.95. But again to each his own about saving rusted up parts. I have some borderline T parts and have kept the ones that are not to far gone to use. I still have some of the T parts...

I have 3 T’s and count me lucky but the gas tanks in my cars weren’t in bad shape when I acquired them. They had the usual dirt and varnish in them and were pretty much dried up. One had a small amount of rust but no flaking or pitting that I could see. If a tank has had the cap on it and not left o...

Neat book with lots of information!
I wonder if the cars that are listed with their serial numbers are still around. Or maybe the engines. I would think the runabout with no starter was the cheapest sold. Neat information!

The vendors have them advertised in their parts books.

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