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As far as markings on Ford parts goes I noticed “Carnegie” on the spring leaves when I was cleaning them up. It was faint was it definitely there.

I’m thinking Ford 21” inch rims will fit on your wheels. The Ford split rims have the lugs made on to them. Take off the lugs on yours and install the Ford rims. That might be the way to go if you if you want to keep the cost down and use as much as you already have. Not sure if your wheels are Ford...

I bought a new Bergs radiator for my 24 Coupe after trying to repair or buy good looking originals that didn’t cool. It’s a good feeling to know you wont have a boil over when driving your car. Bergs black radiators are really similar to the Wards radiators that were popular in the T era and after. ...

Horn is sold upon receiving payment.
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Tail light bracket is sold to Brent Tellow upon receiving payment.
Price will be 18.50 shipped.
John Kuehn
417 Berry Dr.
Waco Texas 76706

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For Sale:
Sparton model HAJ 6v ahooga Horn. Good condition, works fine. 50.00
Hassler shock spring. 15.00
Top bow clamp 20.00
T-7506 tail light bracket 10.00
Buy all for $110.00 shipped or individual price plus shipping.
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Whichever one it is hope you can repair it.
We repaired a fairly rare Avon bottle with super glue and it does work. Maybe there are other types of glue that’s good for glass repair. Good luck.

Do you know what kind of fuel pump it is or is it real rare? Old tractors and gas tanks used glass bowls in their fuel system. Might be something to check to see if they would be close to identical.

The original block in my 24 Coupe was cracked in the valve gallery and the crack extended Into the valve seat area. Money wise I thought it was cheaper to get a replacement block which I did. I did save the original for posterity I guess. I don’t know if it could be successfully repaired because of ...

Supposedly Ford started using 21” wood wheels as an option in the 25 Model year according to the encyclopedia on the MFTCA website. My car has the 21” wood wheels on it but has wooden door frames which were used up into the mid to late 24 year. I consider it a transition car from one year to the nex...

It does appear to have some thick headed bolts in it. If the items include the thick headed bolts did Ford use them into the 50’s?

Wonder if the driver was OK when he jumped out!

Maybe soak it gas or moisten with some oil? Also make sure the carb flange is smooth and clean. I used a fine file around the flange to smooth it up a little better.on mine. Moistening with oil helps a bit. It did on mine.

That’s good news for T restorers that they will sell individual pieces! It would surely help if they would advertise that they would sell pieces upon request. If it was plainly advertised they would sell a lot more T wood. That’s a no brainer! If Fordwood knew about that it might get them to move a ...

I also used Ross Lilliker to do a refresh on my 24 Coupe short block and rebush the transmission. And as Rustyford stated I had him to replace only what actually was needed. After I picked up the short block and transmission I put it together and did the rest myself. Saved some money and time by doi...

Yes it’s a common T head in the 18-25 era. More than a few are still out there. I can remember the time that if you had a cracked head it was thrown away and buy another for around 25 or so dollars. Now it’s best to save them if they can be repaired.

I think I would replace all the valves and lap the valve seats while you have it apart. Looks like you have the original 2 piece valves. Not many folks still use those in a rebuild. If you keep driving your car and I know you will the valves might need to be changed. They may or may not come apart b...

Have to agree your 24 is a definite car to save! It’s great that it was kept out of the weather all these years and not in a partially covered shed or on somebody’s back 40 acres. T’s don’t last long in the elements with the wood body structure. My Coupe is a late in the year 24 which means it has t...

It’s a 24 by the looks of it. I have one just like it. It looks like the passenger side wood body pillar that sits on the main body sill is either broken or rotted out. Could be the body sill is deteriorated and the rest of the body pillar dropped down. Go to Fordwood.com and take a look at the body...

It only matters to a purist. I’ve seen cars with them both ways. I have a feeling that in the late 20’s and on till the 1940’s people would take their T to repair shops to have them repaired by mechanics who weren’t T purists. Thats why we see barn finds and survivor cars that have repairs that were...

The original headlight rings don’t always go on easy either. In my case I’ve gotten some decent originals that needed repainting at swap meets, repainting them and finding out they are a bear to put on. Usually it’s about the reflectors, ring pins, the rope gasket, or the slot being bent in the shel...

Sounds like your on way to getting the wood in the right location. Your information about the wood info gathered from Cubels and Miller’s plans goes to show the wood details could vary from car to car depending who the body builder was originally. The kit I got from Cubels for the 1919 Roadster pret...

The brass repo quadrants are a pretty good copy of the originals. Not perfect but good enough to slightly modify for a really close copy of the originals. Easier to do then cutting out the worn areas and soldering in brass strips and cutting notches. Either way whichever repair is done no one will k...

Looks like it’s the front remains of a Coupe or maybe a Sedan since they look real similar without the rest of the body. Wonder if you have any of the rest of the body. With what you have you probably could build a huckster or depot hack if you don’t have any more of the body. Unless you know or hav...

Yes the brass era cars 09-16 will be higher than the later T’s 17-27. You can build a nice pristine T and spend time and money on it. But don’t expect to get more than 2/3rds for it if you want to try to sell it for. You might do most of the work yourself and maybe get close to what you have in it b...

Anybody used molasses? There was posts about using it a few years ago it and worked pretty well. I believe it was raw molasses. It was fairly cheap and people had vats of it to soak large pieces and parts in. I never tried it but wonder if people still use it.

Mike I noticed you have a metal firewall in your pic. You may already know but 15 T Roadsters used wood firewalls. Also there is a difference in the firewall brackets as that’s make a difference how far back or forward the body butts up against the firewall and cowl. So if your using a metal firewal...

Here is a pic of the inside lower trim piece in my 24 Coupe. It has to be installed first and then the side and top pieces. You might could squeeze it in but it would scratch the paint. You can see that it has 3 screws for attachment. There is a post in the classifieds selling Coupe body parts. Mayb...

Mike do you still have the sheet metal pieces that cover the wood under the trunk that meet up with the body? They would give you an idea how the wood fit up would be and if something was changed on the body.

Mike just remember your not the first guy to find out that the wood kits may have to be refit here and there. They will generally fit but it’s good to remember that Ford used up to 5 body makers to build the bodies. I found this out when I contacted the late Leon Parker who was very knowledgeable ab...

I have a 19 Runabout and I also used a wood kit from Cubels. The wood follows the sheet metal evenly as it comes down and curves to meet the rear deck. Mike do you have the sheet metal pieces that go over the wood rear deck? The top edge of those pieces should lineup with the body curve. You can det...

I believe that the original style of nuts for the carriage bolts are square nuts or am I wrong.
When I installed the windshield brackets on my 21 Touring I used hex head bolts and I was thinking the original style were square.

Yes the New Days are made of Bakelite and fairly tough in normal use but not tough enough when put in a bind. Lesson learned about a New Day timer I guess. Sort of like making sure you have the T spark plug wrench on securely when removing a plug! We all know what happens when you don’t! Ever broke ...

Adjusting the spark control rod with a timer that has a steel case is one thing as it won’t break off the ear easily. The New Day case is made of hard plastic and it will break no doubt about it when forced. Adjust the timer rod as needed then put it in the ear of the case. If further adjustment is ...

I was thinking I had seen an almost correct size size bushing somewhere when I posted earlier. Ace Hardware was where I later found some bushings that would have worked. I was in there for something else and accidentally saw them.

That thought crossed my mind a few years ago when I was looking for a better less worn axle for my 21 Touring. I was going to use a flat washer of the right size and size it to fill the space between the bushing and axle. I did later find a good axle with good threads but kept the other axle. I’m pr...

Starter switch doesn’t look bad to me. Pretty much normal. I bought some for spares at swap meets and they looked worse than that. What usually goes in T starter switches is not using a back up wrench or tightening the cables on the switch terminals to the point when you start breaking out the hard ...

Go the classifieds on this website. Scroll down and you will see a 24 Coupe body for sale. It’s surprisingly complete and there is a good shot of the rear panel and molding your talking about. I have a 24 Coupe that I inherited and restored. On my car the 2 moulding pieces weren’t exactly like the r...

How about the batteries for the battery equipped starter cars.

Seems the story goes that Ford used the rubber trees in South America to make Fordite. He had factories of some sort in that area. Might be wrong about the rubber trees to make spark coil boxes with but his endevour in South America failed. The remains of the buildings are still there or they used t...

Galen as I remember I also used a small punch to use on the head of the small tacks I used. I seated them a little further in because of the thickness of the felt felt channel I used. I did that because I couldn’t get a good solid lick on the head and I was afraid I would scar the new paint I had ap...

I think Richard E nailed it being a Studebaker going by the pic he posted. The hood and door handles and how they are spaced are exactly right the way I see them.

Well, it looks like this thread is going the way of other threads concerning types of band material to use, types of oil, lubricants and who knows what else. And oh yes I forgot about adding spark plugs to the list. Now timer lubricants can be added also. From the horrors of one type to the wonders ...

I bought the window channels for my 24 Coupe and it was a little tighter with the channel I got from Snyder’s and it’s a tad tighter than it was with the original. But the earlier Coupes may be a little different. What I did learn though is that the door windows on my 24 Coupe aren’t square. If you ...

Lang’s and probably some of the other T suppliers sell lengths of window channel for T closed cars. You buy the channel and cut to fit for your cars particular needs. If your Coupe still has the remains of the original channel cut the new channel the same as the original and install.

Be aware your 26 is not the first T with parts from different year T’s. Does your 26 have the 2 ears on top of the transmission cover that bolt on to the back of the block? That’s the way you can be sure you have a 26-27 block and transmission cover. People have used the earlier engines before in th...

Your exactly right about getting the correct needle adjustment Rustyford. I have to remember to keep the nut loose and then seat the needle. And THEN get the basic 1 1/4 turn adjustment as the manual says and go from there for the correct adjustment for your paticular T. Your car may like 3/4 turn o...

Rustyford may be on to something. All Model T’s are not exactly the same as far as carb settings are concerned. 1 1/4 carb turns may or may not be good for your T. Maybe bad gas or the carb has some issues? Could it be the choke is partially closed?
Good luck.

Assuming you pulled off the Bendix cover you should be able to use a small mirrow to peer inside to see a notch or not on the mag ring. Or to see if there is something on the starter shaft. As I remember you have to angle the starter a bit to pull it out. Or you may need to carefully pull back with ...

I would use some light grease or.some heavy oil and then add the STP till you get a fairly thin consistency. If you don’t want to use grease then pour out some 20 or 30 weight oil in a cup and then mix the STP into it at your own discretion. Remember it’s the STP that gives the extra “slickness” to ...

STP thinned down with oil works great in a roller timer! No, you don’t use STP without thinning it down. Best to read the post to understand it. It makes the oil super slick and lessen friction. Pretty simple to understand. Never say never about anything until you try it. You might actually like it....

Yes I remember the commercial. There also was a similar type of lube called Motor Honey that was pretty slick like STP. STP is also good to use when putting engines together for a prelube. Use to be the thing to do when I was growing up. The Hot Rodders around here any way would use it for that purp...

There has been all kinds of timer lubrication concoctions used over the years. Years ago a T friend of mine recommended a mixture of STP and grease which worked well with roller timers. You could thin the light grease enough with the STP and use a squirt can to put the mixture through the oil hole i...

Wow! I believe this guy is on the right track and doing a wonderful job going by the pics. And what’s amazing he is actually reading the Ford manuals! Not to be sarcastic but they really do help and it’s great to see a younger person getting involved with Model T’s. I have to ask Joshua but how good...

That’s a really good body to restore because most if not all the hard to find parts such as the window risers, body molding, seat risers, door locks, handles and window trim pieces are still with it. They don’t show up like this very often any more. These parts are not being reproduced and are extre...

Steve your close up of the coil box wires shows how things can get upside down without thinking about it!
I had to look twice or so before I caught on what’s upside down. Guess I’m getting old and slow. Good point to bring up though. Those simple things can drive you nuts sometimes.

Good advice to new T owners is to get the manuals and study them to learn about basic Model T parts and how they function. By studying the manuals you can save yourself lots of time and learn what NOT to do with a a T. The Model T service manual or the “bible” as T owners call it is a must have alon...

I think the older brass cases didn’t have the routed out section of the case to use the oversteering stop pin the later ones did. I haven’t tried to make the change over but earlier forum posts have some not having much fit up trouble and others having to use timesaver compound to fit the gears bett...

I used a nickel out of pocket change to replace a freeze plug that had been used when I had the blocked cleaned up. The brass one wasnt dished out enough so I used the nickel. It worked fine and an exact fit with a hammer tap. And it wasn’t a buffalo nickel.

Have to agree with Scott C about sheet metal alignment on a T not being “not exactly” perfect !
When Ford built his Model T’s he wasn’t building a Rools Royce for the masses.

You may have an axle shaft that was made just a little longer to compensate for worn rear hubs. Texas T parts advertises these as an improved axle shaft. You can go to their website and read about the improvement.
Maybe your hubs aren’t worn like some might be.

Just curious if the bike brazing job whether its smooth or lumpy in places. T restorers have asked questions on the forum whether to smooth out out Fords lumpy and flowed on pan brazing. A perfectionist would smooth it out. Wonder what’s the thinking in the old bike world whether to keep as is or ma...

Has anybody tried this with 2 12volt batteries? I know that Fahnstock used six 6 volt batteries but could you use 2 12 volt batteries to achieve close or the same affect? Just wondering.

Interesting story!
This would be a good story for the Unsolved Mysteries TV show. Guess we will never know if the car was ever found. Maybe a good reporter would found out if the car was found.

Very good point rickd! I have a 21 Touring I rewooded and found out that Ford used different body makers to build the bodies. I bought a Fordwood kit and generally the wood fit BUT I had to do some refit up in some places. Best not to get in a hurry and taking you time is the way to go.

Go to Classicwoodproducts in North Carolina. They make wood body kits and wood for you 23 Roadster. Also Fordwood. Their website has wood body diagrams for Model T’s and wood kits but they are very hard to contact. But the body diagrams are helpful. Just letting you know ahead of time about those fo...

The earlier black era Coupes had the gas tank in the trunk. The later black era tanks were under the seat. Earlier Coupes would be up to about 21-22? Not completely sure. I was thinking low cowl bodies would have the tanks in the trunk as far as the Coupes were concerned.

I guess in desperation you could use a file to smooth out the weld on the repop and make it look decent if that’s all you had and not an original. Those nuts have been looked over in junk boxes at swap meets like a lot of the small T pieces. Probably more than a few have been thrown out in old parts...

Whatever you do be mindful your dealing with almost 100 year old material. I have a 24 Coupe and when removing the backrest which my Grandfather recovered with a blanket I removed it and the original wool material looked pretty good. But upon closer inspection the wool was shedding. Every car is dif...

As far as the original look is concerned this T looks like it was kept up as an older car would be. Repairs were made with parts that would fit and be functional. It has had the water pipe on it replaced with a brass one. Wonder why it has a high later head. Interesting to know the serial on the eng...

The T looks like a late 15 or 16 Touring. At least it’s been inside and not stored outside under a shed. Looks to be in good shape. Others can tell you how close to original it is. It’s a very late brass era T by the looks of it.

Whatever you do make sure you get a good clear title! And again make sure the title is signed by the person you are buying the car from! If he has a title again make sure the title transfer was paid by the seller and it’s not an “open title”. More than a few old cars have been bought with “supposedl...

Hopefully the actual owner will help get the title situation straightened out. I’ve learned over the years that doing things the right way isn’t always the same for all sellers. People have different ideas about titles. I bought a 56 Ford years ago and got the title. I didn’t look at it closely enou...

Great work Stan! Reminds me of a watch maker doing carburetor work.

Since the brad marks on the magnet screws look like factory bradding marks the ring gear could be a turned down ring gear. Just out of curiosity if it is a factory turned down ring gear it should have Ford on it and “maybe” a Ford no. on it? I can’t remember if they had Ford markings or not. But if ...

That’s a good question! Maybe some one has a parts book to see if the non starter cars had a different part no. for the later non starter cars. Your flywheel should have a T no. stamped on it.

So does the flywheel have the starter era Ford ID no. on it? I’m thinking the ID no. would be for the starter era flywheel since the fly wheel is machined for a ring gear. Or so it seems. Does the transmission cover have the starter accommodation? Somewhere down the line things were changed. Or so i...

Some older farm tractors had Continental engines in them also.

Use some type of lube to help them to turn. Light oil, WD-40 etc.
When they begin to turn take your time and they should separate.
Can you tell if they is a ridge on the gear or bushing?

Interesting comment on the MTFCA encyclopedia about 23-25 tops and window spacing. It seems to be about the Tourings but maybe the information could be for a Roadster. Just guessing about that but it does give the rear window sizes but the spacing between them varied. If that’s true I wonder why it ...

Go to the home page of the MTFCA website and go the encyclopedia. Click on carburetors and you’ll see a description and pictures of most Model T carburetors used from 09-27. No aftermarket I don’t think are shown.

That’s sad Dallas about the owner being hardheaded. There are his of course but to see old cars just rot away is just plain sad. I’m 71 and remember seeing cars in like situations when I was in high school and going back a few years later only to find them weathered and done in by the weather. Sad.

We have to remember that modern cars come up real quick when your driving 25-maybe 40mph. Most people are not use to slow cars much less ModelT’s. Besides our T’s can’t get up and go fast enough in today’s traffic when you really need to. I’m fortunate to have farm to market roads to drive on but yo...

I also have to say that if you closely at the milk cans you can see the bottoms are long gone. That place must be off any well traveled road as it looks like the car remains were brought in and just left for a loooong time.

Not many of those around anymore. Reminds me of the local junk picker yard about 3 miles from us when we growing up. Use to go over and look and dig for cars and parts in the 60’s. About 20 years ago the son-in-law of the owner took possession of the property and wasn’t at all interested in the old ...

So after reading the information about the Ford Trimotor sign, was there an authentic sign made? If there was does anybody have one or is there a source of a pic of the actual sign?
Maybe a collector of Ford signs has one?

Most any old flat head engines have recessed spark plugs. This is another accessory for those who like to give a T engine a customized look I guess. To each his own.

Usually the older original signs were porcelain. If it’s porcelain and a repo at least it’s a higher grade ‘repo’.

Going to Chickasha a few years ago on the last day a guy was selling out at almost giveaway prices and I bought cans of Model T bolts and nuts to last me for quite awhile. Right place at the right time I guess! Years ago I learned to save those rusty and greasy T bolts. They have come in handy over ...

The parts suppliers use to sell bolt sets for engine, the transmission cover and etc for Model T’s.

Just because you heard the plastic coils aren’t good isn’t always the case. If they are still working use them till they won’t work. I also heard they weren’t any good. Never used them but others have with no issues.

As you have probably read on the forum if the radiator is an original it may or may not cool even after a clean up. Hopefully it’s still good but old radiators can fool you even though they may look good. Pulling the head off isn’t all that difficult. And if you do that cleaning out the water passag...

Don’t know how much you had to do get your TT going but looks like your doing a good job. If you are a hands on guy you can figure out what needs to be done as far as fine tuning your truck can be found on the forum. And in the end nothing is a better teacher than using a hands own approach. You pro...

You may have already checked this out but make sure the timer case terminal wires are not touching the block or when the timer is advanced they are hitting the spark advance rod. If the car was running pretty good and wasn’t really missing bad it would seem that when you changed the wiring something...

When you replaced the wiring harness’s to the coil box and timer did you use the color code as your guide OR go from terminal to terminal regardless of the color on the wire or the tracer.

The 2 holes are in there for a reason. Maybe mounted in a lathe to ream? Is the reamer a taper fit? If it is maybe it also could be used to put a drill bit in it. Just guessing but the way the bracket is made it looks like a steady rest of some sort.

I also would like to thank Barbara for clearing up the concern about any copyright issue. Since the copyright issue has pretty much been cleared up now maybe someone who has a genuine interest in Model T’s will pick up the good work that Leon was doing. I only met him once at Chickasha years ago but...

That’s a nice car! A typical T to be sure. Slow oil leaks on the clamshell differential and on the axle housing! Wouldn’t be a normal T if the leaks weren’t there. Is it black or a dark blue. Looks like it hasn’t been hurt a bit going by the pics.
Congratulations on a great find.

It always comes up when discussing the plans worries about the copyright comes up. I had a set of Roadster plans which others surely also bought years ago when Miller was selling them and they had a copyright on them. Without a doubt like in my case they were sold to others needing them. And again w...

As others probably have I’ve been interested about the future use of the plans and what would become of them. It would seem to me that if the plans would eventually become the property of the MTFCA that would be the best way for them to be used and sold through the MFTCA as one of their products. Mr...

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