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Thank You! Hopefully something will turn up. Old Henry should’ve made that one. I’d like to find one that has already been converted as I don’t want to cut up a good Tudor body. I have a nice original 25 metal pickup box for this project. I’m also not against building a metal cab if I could find the...

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Looking for a 1925 Tudor Body Shortened to Pickup Cab or a complete T like the one pictured.

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***SOLD-Thanks MTFCA***
1923 NYS license plates. Matched pair of originals in excellent condition. Original paint. I haven’t tried cleaning these they are as found.
$65 for the pair includes shipping anywhere in the lower 48 USA. Payment:USPS money order, Shipped USPS with tracking.
Kevin

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PM, Email, text sent....

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After hearing of the Pearl Harbor attack my late father enlisted and served from early 1942-46 in the USAAF stateside as an aircraft mechanic and crew training on B24 & B29 bombers. The war changed his life forever. He went from farming behind 2 horses before the war to working on then state of the ...

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George House wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:41 am
Don’t feel too bad Mark. Heres the worst::

George, that’s the worst one I’ve ever seen!

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My ‘20 Touring came with nothing at all in the way of top irons, bows, or top material. Having secured these I was pleasantly surprised at the detailed instructions that came with the top kit. I haven’t installed it yet, but it seems pretty straightforward. Additionally, it’s always good to look ove...

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Recently I ran across an ad for a ‘25 Roadster and it struck me that this wasn’t the first time I’ve seen the top done wrong and in the same manner. Rear iron/bow too far forward and middle iron/bow too far back.
No way to correct it without installing a new top!

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“Once burned,lesson learned”...first, welcome to the hobby and don’t let one dubious person destroy your view of others or your fun and fellowship with other T owners. I don’t know anyone that is honest unwilling to freely give out their address and take a USPS money order. That protects both you an...

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Wow! Thank you one and all, this is some really great information. Makes it clear it was a Tudor.
Has anyone ever documented this conversion that would like to share their experiences?

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While I realize Ford never made a closed cab pickup, I wonder if I could get opinions on what year and model of closed car this one started out as. Sure looks nice!

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My parents lived through those days. Although they didn't have as many conveniences as we do today, but they had a lot more than the preceding generation. They used to think of it as "Progress". Now "progressives" think it is progress to do away with the progress! Things surely go in circles. Norm ...

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Wow! She’s a beauty John! My car too has the forged running board brackets & die cast Ignition switch. The metal strip is there for the bottom of the rear curtain but it has some extra holes drilled in it that a previous owner had snaps mounting the old rear curtain top. I plan to fill those in with...

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Another pic showing starter switch bracket:

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Another topic would be was your car originally a non starter model, and if so, was Ford putting in the standard battery carrier by then, or was an earlier design used? For awhile, Ford was riveting a starter switch plate to the frame prior the the standardization of that switch. [/quote Battery hol...

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Another topic would be was your car originally a non starter model, and if so, was Ford putting in the standard battery carrier by then, or was an earlier design used? For awhile, Ford was riveting a starter switch plate to the frame prior the the standardization of that switch. This car was starte...

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J Sundstrom wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:05 am
From one August 1920 Touring to another!

Hey John! Very nice, the level I hope to have mine at someday-can you post some more pics of your car?

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This has nothing to do with year, but I am just curious about what I see in the photo. Maybe just an illusion. Oh that! Lol...one of the previous owners did this front and rear-took a torch and heated the springs on the ends near the eye to drop the body because he didn’t like how high it was. I......

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Interesting replies! I have read that the new “model year” began August 1st of the previous year, but also in the era of my touring a specific date went out the window, so to speak, and generally the month of August was used. From a sales perspective to create “buzz” for the new models it seems logi...

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Question: My ‘20 Touring has the 5 piece back section and is an August 30,1920 build date. I have an old title from Illinois from 1948 stating it as a 1920.
But I have read that the new model year began August 1st and have wondered if my car actually is an early 1921.
Opinions?

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Any person, young or retirement age, can find the old car hobby enjoyable, rewarding, and a great way to connect with one another over generations. Many of us have built memories with our kids and grandkids by entertaining them with our T’s and fostering interest with the younger crowd. My own daugh...

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Bob's was the first Model T vendor that I purchased from some 25 years ago when I was new to the model T hobby. Great to deal with and will be missed, I will echo above sentiments that this business will be picked up by someone to keep the hobby momentum moving forward. (Well Langs???....) My best w...

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Those who attended the 2016 MTFCI summer tour of the Finger Lakes Region headquartered in Auburn, NY might recognize Elbridge NY. My grandfather was a Ford man during the Model T era and MacCollum in Elbridge, NY is where he purchased his cars. I have two photos of his cars. One a 1913 Touring and t...

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Having worked as a steel welder in my younger days I can tell you the only way to go is with a professional welder that will understand the complexity of the material they are dealing with as well as the rarity of the part. Going “cheap” will only cost more later. The piece of mind is worth the extr...

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Outstanding! Thanks for posting, very nice!

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There’s a good idea!
I am wondering how many people have a photo of their T when it was new or almost new-it has to be a rare thing!

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Great photo! The horses look worried though...

“our day’s are numbered”

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Interesting read, thanks for posting it! People enjoyed their T’s !

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Thank You for the information.
Does this mean the boxes were installed on existing roadsters by the dealer or do you think the cars ordered that were destined for a pickup box were shipped to the dealer minus the turtle deck and with the 9 leaf rear spring installed?

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What was the earliest date orders were being taken by Ford for the 1925 Pickup and when did production begin?

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As you look straight down at them they have a crown or raised bead along the outside edges, the area between where the carriage bolts are is flat.
The below photo probably shows this more clearly.
Hope this is helpful!

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Thank You for the information. The bed strips are in outstanding condition really! If I could get a photo of the backside, it would show most of the square washers are still there-I think only a few are missing. I’m actually considering saving all the wood I can, guess it depends what shape it’s in ...

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Thank You for the information! Luckily this box still has all its original bed strips intact with a good amount of the original paint still on them.

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Original Smith wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:01 pm
Let me know if I need to measure the amount the TRAP door as Ford called it goes under the front panel. It actually rests on the deck of the roadster deck panels.

That’s what I’m curious about, how far past the front panel of the box it goes and how close it is to the back of the roadster body...

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A ‘25 is certainly worth considering...although I really like the ‘24 style front fender that they show on the earliest pickup in Bruce McCalley’s book. The photos I reference are the ones dated Dec. 12, 1924. The ‘25 fender looks ok, but I feel they lost some styling when they moved the bead under ...

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It’s an interesting story! The grandson of the previous owners said it was converted to a trailer and used when they moved from New York City to a farm they purchased in the early 1930’s in upstate New York. It then sat in his grandparents barn for at least 70 years that he could remember and was us...

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More photos of the ‘25 box:

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These are very helpful, thanks! The Lang’s repro looks exact to the original.
Attached are a few views of the box I have, it is original and unrestored.

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I ordered a reproduction from Lang’s and as I understand it after trial fitting it will be about 3/8”-1/2” extended past the front panel?

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Does anyone have photos of a 1925 Pickup they can post of the battery access door and how it fits at or under the front panel of the pickup bed and car body itself?
Thank you in advance!

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The irony here is the same people that want pre-atomic metal so it isn’t radioactive are using microwaves and 5G iPhones both of which bombard the user with dangerous cancer causing levels of radiation!

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What is the difference in the length and width size of the platform the turtle deck mounts to on the 1919-early’23 vs late’23-1925 ? I have an original ‘25 Pickup box that I am considering looking for an earlier roadster to convert over to a pickup. Has anyone done this conversion before? Photos? Th...

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Having painted several antique tractors at home I plan to use black tractor enamel from my local TSC store (Tractor Supply Company) I have found this paint more authentic to the original finish of a Model T. It’s much safer since thinning is done using paint thinner. It’s very durable being machiner...

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“As far as benevolence to the hobby, you have just articulated an increasingly growing sense of entitlement which is enveloping the world and particularly in the US. Have you EVER told a "T" supplier that their price was too high and not fair for a "hobbiest"? I have been told that, and can assure y...

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Why not have a 5 or 10% over scrap sale if he knows its likely that most will go to scrappers? Then have the auction. that way the parts will stay in the hobby. i think he's being given more credit than he deserves. Having seen his prices and given his attitude monopoliziation and greed drive his mo...

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Great replies! Thank you-would the wheels then be the same as 26-27? In one photo in the ad the front fender bead can be seen running outside the splash apron, I know that’s correct for 24 and maybe very early 25 so if these wheels are an option late 25 something is amiss here. It’s on Craigslist in...

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Can’t say my dealings with him were good. First, there was the drivers side splash apron that was described as “perfect with most of its original paint” only to be damaged(before shipping), not correct for the year ordered, and NO original paint! Second was a pair of rear fender irons for a touring ...

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Opinions: What’s wrong with this car?
The top looks like the back curtain slants forward and the wheels somehow look too small and the tires too big.
Feel free to give your opinions, it is advertised as a 1925 model year.

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Yes, I have an old original title document from March 1946 that came with the car that has the motor number(VIN) on it. Using the information in Bruce McCalley’s “Model T Ford” book it is an August 30, 1920 build.

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Was there a specific day in August the new model year began? Or was it Sept 1st began the new model year and all production prior to that belonged to the previous model year?
I’ve been wondering about this for quite some time, my touring is an August 30th build.

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What date did Ford begin the new model year circa 1920/1921?

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Thanks Bob, it’s something to consider. Aug 30th is what it comes out to. I actually have 2 engines that I was going to use as alternates. One is an April 1920 and the other is a Dec 1920 (1921 model year). The engine in the car now is a 1924. It runs great but has a whole bunch of jb cold weld unde...

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That would be something Dan! Well, we’ll see...

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I’m not sure why it was removed or exactly when other than it was while the car was in Illinois. Hopefully I can get some more information later today.

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Will do George! Looking forward to it and seeing your car, right now the weather looks favorable and it should be a good day for the show.

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Right now, 316 people on this site are looking at real estate listings near you!
You are a lucky man indeed...

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Engine/Block 4321900 Search: Looking for my 1920 original engine or block. Possibly in Illinois or Central NY/Utica, NY areas. Thanks! Kevin
Email: KvMoc@aol.com
Phone: 315-672-3473

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Sounds like a piston Is hitting the head when it’s at TDC due to too much babbitt clearance on the rod & too close tolerance of the piston to the head. Question is now is the rod bent because of it? Pull the head and pull the crankcase pan, should find the problem quick- if I’m right and it’s going ...

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Dan it would be great to see photos of your pickup and the details you mention.
Hopefully I can get photos of this box this weekend if the weather cooperates and post them up here.

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Kevin You might want to check again other photos of those 'early' non-embossed tail gate pickups. This view shows no Ford script emboss on the open tail gate. But does show the 1925 style rear window, the 1925 style 'commercial fender' so-called, that has wide embossed molding going under the splas...

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I think in the Dec 12, 1924 photos Bruce’s text indicates the rear fenders are the standard 1924 runabout type.(which I call straight) But here is the page out of his “Model T Ford” book. Maybe others here can clarify exactly what he means on the rear fenders-what are the differences he is noting he...

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The above are the factory photos dated Dec 12,1924 and there is another set dated Feb 28,1925 showing the same box lacking the Ford embossment on the tailgate. (Ref: Bruce McCalley’s book “Model T Ford”). The 1925 boxes were only made for 4 months before the change over to ‘26-‘27, if I understand c...

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Where on the factory ‘25 Pickup beds would I find the Ford stamping in the metal? I would think somewhere on the mounting brackets? I have an early bed(without Ford script embossed on the tailgate)it’s very nice with about 65% original paint and the rest light to medium surface rust. I would like to...

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This tag is located inside of the door jamb on the drivers side rear door of my ‘20 touring on the bottom sill towards the front. I thought it had to do with daily production but according to Ford records 2850 were built that day. The tag seems to be a soft material (lead?). Have any other members f...

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New to the forum here but not new to Model T‘s! In 1996 I purchased the below 1920 touring. My father having had 2 model T’s on the farm back in the ‘30’s was I think surprised when I told him I wanted a T and zeroed in on a touring that was the same as what he had. We went to look at it and brought...

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