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I can help with the switch and panel, minus the ammeter. The switch and panel are in very good order. If you have a need for the starter switch it would indicate that your car has a starter and generator. If this is the case, then the correct horn is a battery horn. The magneto horn was used on non...

J.L. Clark Manufacturing Co. of Oshkosh, made a body to haul .Fordsons.

Thanks for the tips. I’ll try and answer posts roughly in order: 1. It ran pretty terrible before spark plugs wires. We had to cut off the old aluminum power head as the steel head bolts corroded into the block and broke off. The car had been sitting for years due to a bad head gasket. 2. I don’t k...

The heater manifolds are usually pretty straight, and do not warp like the standard manifold.

This is in the Faultless catalog from 1926.

Did anyone go to the U P and buy this Faultless?

That is a set of Faultless lowering brackets. The front brackets puts the axle ahead of the front leaf spring. The rear brackets move the spring ahead of the rear axle and have longer shackles to get the "drop". To attach the rear spring to the frame, Faultless provided an extra arched cross member ...

Reproduction can made by Eagle Adam, Not all Ford oil cans with the embossed E are reproductions. There were a few articles in the Vintage Ford on this subject. The first article was in the Jan/Feb issue of 2010, Vol. 45, #1. That is the article that Jack is referring to. Can #3 is the Eagle can wi...

Call Tom Carnegie at The Antique Auto Ranch in Spokane. He knows all about the Kingston B=1 Gasifier. and uses them on his cars.

Jim, it's easy to get things mixed up. I once found TWO of the three hole wrenches for my 1912 T van, at a yard called "Ford and More" in Spokane. I was already taking the notes out of my wallet, when I noticed that the big end was a hexagon, and the wrenches were for a Chev. You have noted the mis...

John Regan made nice drawings to show the history of the hub cap wrench. but I am surprised no one mentions that the hole for the spindle nut should be a hexagon or 6 sided. Hub caps are octagon, or 8 sided, but the others should be hexagons. Keep that in mind when you are looking for a 1349 wrench ...

This looks like it was taken care of, and at a reasonable price.

Here’s a question? Did Ford use Ames horns or were they an aftermarket or used on a similar car. Just wondering! Even though Ford Model T's could have the starter, generator, and battery in the electrical system, starting with the 1919 models, they did not start putting battery horns in Model T's u...

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Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:46 pm
Two tools have T numbers: T 2839 and T5893. There is also 9N 17014 which is likely a tractor tool.

T2839 is the wire wheel lug wrench. You could also use 5Z-161. They are both "T" shaped wrenches.
T5893 is the wrench for the spark plug and the cylinder hesd cap screws.
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Here is how it would have looked in the Ford showroom.

Because the 26=27 TT uses car type 24=25 front tenders , the apron tor a 26=27 TT is the same as a 24=25 car or truck except the hole was added for a screw into the spring mount. The 26-27 car has about a half inch more metal above the crank hole. The top apron in the photo is 26=27 car.

Your apron is for a 1926=27 Model TT truck.

A bunch of intriguing photos here! Numbers 18 and 19 caught my attention right off! I could be wrong? But number 18, the 1926 coupe, appears to have clincher wheels on it. Popular belief is that the coupes and sedans were not available with clincher wheels! However, many years ago, I saw (but never...

If my Model T is missing, sputtering, and does not run right, I do it a little differently. I take off the coil box cover. Start the engine and set the throttle to a fast idle. Then, hold the points down on 3 of the coils so that it has only 1 cylinder firing. It will run like a 1 cylinder "hit and ...

That 1913 appears to have the Victor type 1 headlamps with the steel bonnets that have FORD script deeply embossed.

Your headlights look like my Victor drum headlights, but with different brackets. Victor made these to mount on the Model T fender bracket, or if the car did not have fenders. then the bracket would get cut off just past the headlight mounting hole. Some of the companies that sold speedster bodies h...

From September 2021 to the present, I have thinned out my estate by selling 200 items (antiques, curios, collectibles, the red ‘26 Model T Fordor and Model T parts) on eBay for around $50,000.00 making a nice profit over what I bought the items for during the last 40 years. I may live another 20 ye...

It has the unusual Victor Model 1 headlamps with the embossed steel bonnets, but the tail lamp and side lamps appear to be E & J.

The photo of the white fire truck at the front entrance shows Tod Wirth with his beautiful 1917 Model T Ford American La France, and Keith Gumbinger standing along side. Keith is the man in charge of this tour, the Tour Chairman,and also is the treasurer of the MTFCA

I turned the photos to make them easier to read.

The price for the complete unit was $115. The light bulbs are 14 volts. The batteries for the touring car and the sedan were under the rear floorboards. The batteries for the roadster were in the rear "turtle". A special shaped battery was furnished for the Coupelet, to be placed under the seat next...

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The Wells System is an electric lighting and starting system for Model T Fords that were built before Ford offered their electric lighting and starting system in 1919. Here are the instructions for installing it in 1915. The R.C.Wells Company was started in Fond Du Lac, Wisconsin in 1903, and they a...

I believe that is a trademark for Marshall Wells Hardware , that was headquariered in Duluth, Minnesota.

Clymer's spotlight company made a device for cutting the hole in the windshield, It consists of a cast iron cup with a "C" clamp arrangement to clamp it on to the open windshield, It has rubber gaskets against the glass and a hole in the cup with a cork stopper. Inside the cup is a "cup shaped" cutt...

Do not use screws that are too long, or the switch will not work smoothly and make good contacts. The brass lugs that the screws go in to, are "cupped" inside the switch. The "springy" ends of the "spider shaped" contact pieces are formed to seat into those cups when you turn your light switch or ig...

The starter, generator, and 6 volt battery electrical system came out on the 1919 Model T Fords, but they continued to use a magneto horn. The battery horn did not appear until the 1922 models.

Some of the 1927 Model Ts came with Kingston vaporizers, but they were B-1 Gasifiers, not Regenerators. The Kingston Regenerators were a model made for the aftermarket and were advertised already in 1924 in the Ford Owner and Dealer magazine.

Here is an old photo of a beautiful early 1917 in a Ford dealer"s showroom .
Note the small "porthole" windows.

That is a nice accessory carrier made by an aftermarket company. Ford never made a spare tire carrier that operated like that.
Is it for the 30 X 3-1/2 clincher tire, or the 21 inch tire?

Tim, The first pictures that started this shows a 1926-27 Model T passenger car radiator apron on the right, T3977-E, without the nickel trim strip. On the left is an apron for 1926-27 TT, part #T3977-F , factory #TT8016. If it did not have the small hole below the crank hole, it would be a #T3977, ...

What's even more confusing is the use of the descriptors, wide and narrow. Wide refers to width. Width is measured from left to right. All of the aprons are the same width. What varies is the depth from top to bottom. Hope this helps. Allan from down under. Allan , Width is not always measured from...

Larry, I wonder if the 1925 type apron that you saw was made by adding the 1926-27 nickel strip. It is easy to make the three little slots in the 1925 apron. It fits perfectly, and even the little hole matches up for the choke wire. On April 30, 1925, Ford issued a Factory Letter offering the nickel...

The narrow apron with the hole is actually 1926-27 TT. The 1924-25 TT uses the same as the 1924-25 Model T car. What makes it confusing, the 1926-27 Model T car has hood shelves that come all the way to the front of the frame, and the radiator is mounted on top, which requires the wider apron. The 1...

Your tool was made by Truth Tool Company in Mankato, Minnesota. I have a 1934 catalog, but it does not show your tool.

About 2 months ago I posted about a Ford Dealer's Inventory Book that I have that was dated December 31, 1925. The dealer was in a small town in North central Kansas, so I suppose his cars were probably supplied by the Kansas City assembly plant. He had 5 new 1926 Coupes and Tudors that had engines ...

This is the centerspread in an original Freuhauf brochure.
Click on it to enlarge it. Click again to read it.

I have a 16 page Van Dorn catalog that explains how it works and how to install it'

When I bought our original, low mileage, 1922 coupe from a local estate a few years ago, I tried to find some history on it with no success. On the lower corner of the windshield is a Federal Vehicle tax stamp from 1942. When I was cleaning the inside of the windshield, the stamp fell off. I made an...

Here are mine on the 1922 coupe.

Steve Tomaso,-- Those 1914 Wisconsin plates are illegal in Washington.
You should send them to me before you get in trouble.

After reading about the different keys here, I dug out the article that Trent Boggess wrote in the May/June, 1997 issue of The Model T Times. He stated that the first 15,000 cars built for 1919 that had starters and generators had the switches that used the round-headed Clum keys, which are quite di...

#4 is a Sterling ammeter with a brass bezel and brass housing marked "STERLING.
#11 has SMC embossed between the terminals. Probably for "Sterling Meter Company" ?

#7 and #8 have aluminum bezels and housings.
#7 has no markings.
#8 has a logo that looks like EMCO or MECO

Mark, You have a sharp eye to catch my muffin pan for displaying the ammeters. :D Larry, I'm sure that you have a Nagel ammeter. Five of the 12 ammeters in the picture are made by Nagel. They seem to be the most common. The 5 Nagels are all different in some way, -usually the Ford script is differen...

Here are 12 different "Ford" script ammeters that were used on 1919-25 Model T''s that had generators.. The 6 on the left have the "Ford" behind the needle, and the 6 on the right have the "Ford" below the needle. The ammeter on the lower right is a 1926-27 ammeter with the adapter ring that Ford pr...

This has been a very interesting subject to follow. Kim will have an exciting ride when he takes it on that first test run. Here are some scans of an original Ford sales catalog that I have in my collection. If you can not read the scans, "click" on the picture and it will enlarge to fill the screen.

I have been running a vaporizer on my 1926 touring since 1971. Next year it will be 50 years and pretty much trouble free. I also use high temp silicone to seal everything. The thin tin plate has probably been changed about 5 times. On a cold start, I open the needle valve a quarter turn, turn on th...

It looks very much like the side mirror on our 1922 Coupe with the doors that open at the front. After the mirror is adjusted properly so that I can see what is behind me, I can swing the door open,and the door misses the mirror by about 1/4 to 1/2 inch. That type of mirror works well on the early c...

More pages from the inventory book. It gives an indication of their needs back then.

They stocked 279 new inner tubes and 131 new tires worth $2181.44, and $1514.80 worth of grease and oil products.
Here are examples of their inventory sheets for a small town dealer.

The orange ink blotter was between the pages. A blotter was used with the old ink pens years ago.

Over 20 years ago I bought this interesting book and I wonder if any of the Model T's, Fordson tractors, and TT truck, or their engines are still around today. C. H. Elniff and Son was a Ford dealer in Jamestown, Kansas, a small town in Cloud County up in the North central part of the state. Doing a...

I found it listed in my 1949-54 Ford Passenger parts catalog. FDA-14677-A is Relay assembly (window regulator safety) For all 1954 Ford passenger cars except Sedan Delivery and Station Wagon Only 1 required per vehicle This must be a safety device in the circuit because the window regulator relay fo...

All of the information about the Ford tools is also in the back pages of "Bruce's Big Black Book". The main bearing wrench for the square headed bolts started as 2341-B in Oct 1914, was changed to 3Z-782 in Feb 1917, and later changed to 5Z-156. The early main bearing wrench for the bolts with two f...

Your early main bearing wrench is 3Z-619. Not all of them are marked.

This is the earlier thread.

I am bumping this up to be near the earlier thread.

If you "click" on the drawing it will enlarge. Do it twice to enlarge twice.

I will be there again with some of my "Model T junk" to "Show and Tell". Also, some of my extra Ford Z tools will be for sale. We got back Sunday evening from The Winter Model T Clinic at McPherson College in McPherson, Kansas. It was 1500 miles round trip, but it was well worth it for the great pre...

The "Locations" have returned. It must be magic

Hi Cory,
Where are you located?
It is easier to assist if we know. There may be a club chapter or even a Forum member close by.

Mike,
I believe that Willie Cordes had a Coupe Deluxe that was made in St. Louis.

If you had a hubcap wrench for 1926-27, Ford made a change to fit that condition.

I wonder if .010 is too tight on the exhaust valves? Doesn't Stipe recommend .010 on intake, and .012 on exhaust?

So, this is a 1912 with two 1914-16?

Larry, what years are these two old brass hubcaps?

More photos.

Even though this NOS side curtain is labeled for 1925, I think that it is actually for 1926-27 roadsters. The "sockets" that are installed inside the rear top bows on 1926-27 roadsters and tourings must have the extra lip to project through the grommets on the rear side curtains. ( I think Larry Smi...

No, Keith, that is the only one that I've seen. I checked my tail lamps and my extra lenses, but none have the Ford script.

This type of tail lamp was used from 1919 through 1923 on the Model T's with starters and generators. I would imagine some probably could have been on some 1924 models before they starting using the new type tail lamp assembly with the license bracket, as noted by Larry Smith. The tire carrier still...

These are photos of an original 1924 touring.

The 1915 horn does not need to be a Rubes horn. Standard and Nonpareil also supplied the bulb horns to Ford. These two horns were made by Standard. The black horn pictured has a reed, and is actually quite loud.

Adam is right about paint sometimes coming off in chunks, leaving clean, bare steel. This example is an original well preserved 1922 coupe that reportedly had nice original paint until it got stored in a cold damp steel pole barn in Wisconsin. There is no sign of any primer under the black paint on ...

Tim, I wonder if the complete engine unit that you have is the Heavy Duty HIMICO like the one in the later literature that I posted? The Heavy Duty type as shown should have 2 inch journals for the connecting rods and main bearings and a gear driven oil pump. It also does not have magnets on the fly...

I found another piece of HIMICO literature recently that is probably later than the other photos that I posted in August when you bought the HIMICO from Model T Haven. Because this piece has the wide pedals like a stock 1926-27 Model T engine, rather than the narrow paddles like the earlier engines,...

Like these?

Dean,
Am I seeing double, or did you find two of them?

Correction!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Bells and Whistles Tour will be Saturday, September 28th.

Dave, I have "The Atlas Of Wisconsin". This was printed by The University Of Wisconsin Press in 1974 after 8 years of research and preparation. This is a large book that lists every lake, stream, village, city, neighborhood, crossroads, rural locality, etc., that ever existed in Wisconsin, and the m...

The proper screw to use for the ignition switch is #6-32. The original screws have 5/16 inch of threads on #6-32 round head screws with small split lock washers. If the screws are too long they will prevent the springy contacts from going into the depressions in the fiber back plate inside the switc...

But, what is the smaller octagon (8-sided) hole used for?
I have not seen an octagon nut on a Model T.

Larry,
On the subject of hub cap wrenches---------------
What is the smaller octagon hole used for on the bottom wrench in this photo?

I recently found this "Price List of ACCESSORIES AND ACCESSORY PARTS". It is undated, but probably issued in later 1915. It lists the special head lights, side lights, and tail light, that were unique to the new 1915 coupelet and sedan models. Surprisingly, these special lights were priced the same ...

It appears that they offered the Patterson drive in the transmission for the speedometer, rather than a wheel driven set up.

Continuing the discussion on radiator aprons------- The first aprons, T-3977, were on the 1924 and 1925 models when Ford added the skirt on the front of the fenders. Then in 1925, Ford offered an accessory nickel plated apron, T-3977-B, to go along with nickel plated radiator shells and headlight ri...

Adam, Look at the drawing again. On 1926 and 27 the hood shelves are longer and pass under the radiator apron.

Here is a pair of E & J Model 8 side lights for the 1915 Model T Fords. Even though they need restoration, they have pretty nice examples of the round "diver's helmet" reflectors that Allan is describing.

If you go to the home page of FUNPROJECTS, and look for "DOCUMENTS", you can print up a copy of the manual for your HCCT.

Tim, It appears that you do have the HIMICO high velocity cylinder head on your engine. In the original 8 page sales literature it shows the head, and it has most of the little knobs on the top of the head like yours does. I do not remember ever seeing them on any other accessory head for a Model T ...

First, remove the headlight rim with the lens. Then remove the reflector. Then, before you can unscrew the focusing screw from the back of the headlight you will have to remove the little cotter pin from inside the headlight. Then the socket can be pulled out the front.

I have found that a spring for 1939- 46 Chrysler products is a perfect replacement for the 1914 Model T door latch.

Here are scans of the cover and the first 4 pages of the June, 1941 Price List. I can scan more if there is interest.
This price list is the 8-1/2" X 11" size that would fit into a binder.

Larry, The latest Genuine Ford Model T and TT Price List of Parts that I have is from June , 1941. If you study it you will see that many parts are not available. Right side rear axle housings are listed for 1915-25, but none for the left side, and none at all for 1926-27. For the front axle, they h...

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