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Kaiser wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 28, 2024 6:33 pm
Are those two FWDs in the background, converted to balloon tyres ?

Yeah, those look like early FWDs. In the 20's, you could get them with Balloon tires at that time.

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I didn't see it in the comments, so if someone already mentioned it, I apologize. Those thrust washers look like old babbitt washers (possibly Ford ones as someone stated). I would recommend replacing those with new Bronze ones. The Babbitt ones tend to come apart and it would be bad if it did that ...

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Just saw this thread .... My TT came to me as a standard "farm gears" sort of truck, shaking itself apart in the high teens range. An engine rebuild with a careful balance, C-race cam, Z-Head, Scat crank, and a high flow carb (have used several), and express gears out back have given me run-out-of-...

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How much is cut off of the drive shaft for a new Warford? Tom, I am pretty sure that all KC Warfords are like original aluminum case Warfords, in that 12" must be removed from the driveshaft and radius rods shortened accordingly. For a standard Car Warford (or TT warford with no ujoint) it's 12" A ...

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I think 13-18 mph is about right for stock...maybe 22 wound out.

I have a High Speed gear swap planned and a warford waiting for mine. With my rebuilt, not so stock motor...I should be able to keep up at 55+.

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Not to derail the current convo, but does anyone know if the TT express box side panels are re-popped? I ask because I really want to build up an 8ft Express for my '24 TT. I have two RPU boxes I can join in the middle and make one, but it would be nice to start with the right sides at least. TT Edi...

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This is just so good. It's been such a blast watching you guys put this RPU together. A far cry from how it looked when I drug that chassis home...

Happy to help on this one, can't wait to start on the motor.

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For some reason, it would not let me attach all my photos.

My Roadster Before and after..

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Here are mine.

My '27 Roadster in 2006

My TT Truck in 2021

My Model S Roadster in 2001 (when found at Hershey) and in 2022 when I got it.

My '19 Depot Hack in 2023.

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The Warfords (Originals) are great gearboxes, I learned to "gear jam" on one 20 years ago and have one in every T I own ever since. There is nothing magic about shifting them and despite what anyone says, they CAN be shifted up and down on the fly and you can start them in gear if everything is adju...

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This is a bummer for the hobby.

Is anyone taking over the wire wheel business, or is that going away? From your original post Mike, you made it sound as if you are running it now.

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The Flying Dutchman! Bert Lobberegt's famous Galavan powered Monster/sleeper. He said it was ungodly fast...

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I FINALLY got my TT back together and running. It runs smooth with no leaks! The coils are shot, but the water stays where it is supposed to. :lol: TT Edit 32.JPG TT Edit 31.JPG TT Edit 33.JPG Then it was time to take her back up to the Farm for Winter hibernation. Of course, I had to get the whole ...

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That sounds promising. It does. Its a nice engine, it just got water/anti-freeze in it and I had to pull it down to clean it. It was built by an Elderly man and I think once they got it together and found out how slow it was, it barely got use as the Depot Hack was way more usable. Maybe I'll luck ...

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You won't regret replacing the rings. Honing the cylinders is important, and needs to be done correctly. Check each cylinder bore carefully for wear, taper, out of round, and any other issue. Also check the fit of the rings in the piston grooves and be sure to gap rings correctly. Roger that and wi...

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Just a few thoughts, based on our pictures. 1. Your main bearing shims look so far out of alignment, with the one end poking out, that it makes me wonder if the other end isn't hanging into the bearing and getting pinched by the crank shaft journal. Wouldn't be the first time that has happened. 2. ...

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RajoRacer wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:08 am
Pretty sure the expansion slot in the piston goes opposite the camshaft Clayton.

Yup, you are correct....*sigh* I'm like 0-2 on this thing. Was REALLY sure with myself it was towards the cam. Guess I have to redo it now.

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TXGOAT2 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:46 pm
Good luck.

Think they will be an issue?

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TXGOAT2 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 13, 2023 6:49 pm
New piston rings?

No, they were fine and had little hours since it was rebuilt. Didn't see the need. Last time I heard it run, it didn't smoke and had tons of compression when I pulled it over by hand.

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So I got the TT engine torn down and cleaned. For the most part, it was pretty clean but it certainly had water (not anti-freeze) in the oil a while as it was everywhere. The Anti-Freeze was a newer addition, but it had not run with that in it as far as I can tell. TT Edit 23.JPG TT Edit 27.JPG I di...

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tiredfarmer wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:21 am
Wouldn't be neat if the Model T community could get together and rebuilt Steve's roadster for him so when he gets well it will be waiting for him.

I betcha we could pretty easy. Not sure what I have for 1915 stuff, but I'll dig.

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Will be watching for updates tomorrow for sure. Good on you Dalles for securing the car and helping to be his advocate when he obviously needed one.

I will also attest to solid T community ans watching out for each other.

My donation has been made to help out.

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Any new updates, or are things pretty much unchanged?

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Let's all not forget that driving a motor vehicle, any motor vehicle, is a life and death activity. Other motorists, kids, motorcyclists and ordinary folks crossing the road are all vulnerable. Somebody plowed an SUV into a restaurant in Texas in the last several days, injuring 20 or more people in...

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Not to minimize Steve's injuries, but it could have been a lot worse. I wish him God's blessings and a full recovery. I don't think that minimizes them at all. you are 100% correct, it could have been WAY worse in any number of ways. We have had a few too many of those in recent years. Hoping he ha...

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According to reports, He was turning left on a green arrow and someone ran the light. Someone at the intersection has video, they were filming his car because they never saw one before and caught the whole thing. Oh my .... For what its worth, thank you Mr. Paddison. Its heartbreaking to see the ca...

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Its hard to look at his car and think that he was in there. Its a good thing, I guess, that he was thrown clear otherwise he would have been pinned under the car. I hope he will be alright. I reallt enjoy reading the fourms and his updates when he goes to OCF. While i have never met him, I consider...

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Also just got these from a friend involved in this. It looks pretty battered. Steve is a lucky guy, could have been way worse... As Rich said, Steve is a tough bird. I bet this thing will be resurrected. received_4281599275397990.jpeg received_1828057370970236.jpeg received_1094708998156903.jpeg rec...

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Dammit. This is all just awful. I really hope he is okay and doesn't come out of this with lasting damage. Hopefully his car can be saved too. I just hate this stuff...T'ers getting hit by people not paying attention is a little sobering. A friend sent me this, looks like his Roadster is a bit worse...

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Are you sure that is a "six speed"? (Actually a three speed progressive shift times the Ford planetary two!) The shape of the case doesn't look like any of the three "six speed" transmissions I had. I don't know what the overdrive ratio was in the TT version I had many years ago. I sold it instead ...

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I had the pleasure of seeing a 1911 T with a Rocky Mountain transmission this past week. It seems like a way better idea than a Warford. It gives a better weight distribution that's for sure! I agree, I like the concept as well as the sequential "gears always in mesh" design. I just need to know if...

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Does anyone know what the Rocky-Mountain 6spd ratios are for low, direct and Overdrive?

I have the chance to acquire one and I'm just curious if it would be a better or equal to the Iron Warford I have set aside for it.

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I really love this thread. I've been following along as I have exactly the same truck just about, yet not near as nice and original. 3196 Same truck in 1994: 3197 I plan a few upgrades like a Warford and a set of high speed gears so I can actually get some speed out of her. I also plan to use it as ...

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Don't feel discouraged, it happens to the best of us. Sounds like you will have some nice engines when done. Sometimes you get a winner, an old unrestored car sitting since 1929 that runs with a tank of fresh gas, a new battery and one half-pull on the crank (like a '21 Touring I helped a buddy buy)...

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tdump wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:03 pm
Clayton! Who photo-shopped that cell phone to the dash in the 3rd pic!

It does kinda look like that! its actually the dash cluster. You can see it better here in this studio promo shot:

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Clayton, I sure hope to see you there! Don't miss the Piquette Plant, as it is a fascinating place for us Ford fanciers! -Ed That is the goal! it's been a bucket list event for a long time. The Model S would be a hit I think and the Depot would be fun for tooling around Greenfield: 3206 3218 My Hup...

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There is a 1932 Film starring Cary Grant called "Hot Saturday" which features a really nicely built late 1924-'25 tall-rad Roadster decked out with 21" Buffalos, full chrome or nickel plated hood, chopped and hinged windshield, cull plated dash and a number of other mods. Here are some screen grabs:...

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The OCF is on my bucket list (with my 1908 Model S, 1919 Depot Hack and/or my 1916 Hupmobile Touring). This is all great information. Maybe i can pull it off in 2025 with the Depot Hack.

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I originally had stock 3.63s in my roadster rear axle for years. Behind my hot T motor ans Chicago overdrive, I could do 55-65 mph tops. When I added my Ruckstell, I upgraded to 3:1s. It made all the difference on the highway. 75+mph is now attainable and I'm still not getting her top speed. In some...

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Hugh chemical difference between Boiled linseed oil and regular linseed oil. The combination I previously spoke of acts to bring ‘life’ back into dry wood and seal the wood. Then you can paint it black. Okay, good to know! I have regular, not boiled so we are good. I will do that here soon and get ...

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Yes, you can get away running the rears temporarily. You won’t be going fast. Are they dry or still thick with good tenons ? If the former; treat them with a 50/50 boiled linseed oil and denatured alcohol brushed on mixture. Not dry, no. They would probably benefit from a Alcohol/Linseed oil coatin...

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So I got the engine pulled the other day. I have a bit on my plate, so I won't dig into it fully, but it's out and drained. I'll order up a gasket set and give it a good clean and a refreshing before it goes in. 3251 3252 I also noticed some concern with the rear wheels. The fronts were absolute jun...

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Herb Iffrig wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:12 pm
THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF MOTORING.JPG

It looks German or Austrian... Like a big Mercedes or Austro-Daimler. Personally, based on the Fender design, Windshield and body design, I'm leaning towards Austro-Daimler. Uniforms definitely look like German Army Officers uniforms, WWI era.

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CudaMan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:54 pm
If you know the patent number(s), we might be able to look it up online, saving you the trouble of scanning.

I don't know it off hand, but I will get it when I'm home tonight for sure.

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CudaMan wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:25 pm
Can you post a link to the patent so that we can look it over? Thanks!

I'll see if i can dig them out tonight and scanned. Dan sent them to me in a big stack of Pierce's drawings of his patents for the S roadster.

it was made by a John Sherman in San Fransisco or Emeryville, CA

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That head is fascinating! I am going to see what information I can find to understand how it works. Keep us posted on your progress. It really is! it's a bit complex and overly complicated, but a brilliant design. Rotary Valve heads have been around for a while, but the Rotary Valve is normally one...

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I had originally posted this car in a another day in another thread on N, R and S aftermarket bodies. I didn’t want to really hijack the thread, so I figured I would move that to its own thread for some history, as several asked about it. My 1908 Model S roadster was converted into this little “Gunb...

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So I tossed a straight edge on the head. For the most part it's pretty flat. It's slightly questionable on either end, but not terrible. I suspect that is our culprit.

Regardless, it's getting a fresh Z-Head

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TWren, you are correct. Close examination shows a 6 speed. Also appears the S/N has been shaved off. Might just be under the paint. Clayton, my thoughts as well. The unit was reputed to be rebuilt some years ago prior to the TT's owner passing away. The TT itself found a new home and this was disco...

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Clayton, this is from Bruce's encyclopedia. "As with the Model R, Ford began Model S production with a new serial number series beginning with number one. The introduction of this new model was in August of 1907. Approximately 750 were sold by January 1908; and apparently about 2350 were sold by Se...

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Clayton, My car is an “N.” A very early one, evidenced by several early non-production features including different front wishbone to axle bolts, downward protruding brake levers (at the hub), and no boss for the engine number on the crankcase. I left it the same, since it was that way as of 1925 (...

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Found this recently and picked up Sunday. I’ll be needing to open it up in a bit to check condition. Tom ===== Those are neat gearboxes. That looks like it may be the TT 1-ton version. I think those were available as a "6-Speed" (under, direct and Overdrive) and a 2-spd (under and Direct or Direct ...

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A few non-production and aftermarket bodied Fords: This is our N, as it appeared at a Ford dealership in 1925. It’s an early N (#3), with later radiator, aftermarket fenders, running boards and rumble seat: 5A1CA9AC-1AF4-496C-A7F4-4E4B2932060A.jpeg So what does your S look like now? Did they produc...

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Clayton, Any old photos of your NRS speedster? Sounds quite interesting. You might try the Early Ford Registry for any parts needs. Thank you for your posts. I’ll add a few non-stock photos here as I find them in my well organized (not) digital filing system (batch of thousands of pics…. ). Sadly n...

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Clayton P, I have seen that N/R/S custom roadster when Dan had it! It truly is a special car. An original era "speedster" on a pre-T format nicely built custom body in every sense a road speedster built in the early days of the model T. I often refer to speedsters in general and model T Ford speeds...

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There have to have been some. I can't say I've ever seen anything other then the factory roadster body. Homemade customer stuff? That I can see. I have a 1908 Model S I acquired from Dan Haynes that was rebodied as a "Gunboat Runabout" between 1912 and 1914. its all wood and skinned in hardware clot...

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I've got a pretty cherry '26-'27 Hood, not sure what the going rate is on one. I'll get some pictures for you.

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Clayton, that's such a great story and what an honor! Thanks for the pictures from the Spokane tour. It brought back some fond memories and sure nice to hear from you. I'll tell Robin Fry to make sure she see your post. Thanks Gene, Likewise! Tell Robin Hi for me and that I'll drop her a message so...

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It's funny, and I don't know why, but after you do what Kerry suggested and clean things up, I'll bet that thing is going to be just fine. Your babbit did not go swimming in that coolant and honestly, I've seen engines have that much random rust from just humidity. If the rods look odd when you pul...

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Clayton if “you feel the real issue is the head being slightly warped”, I don’t think simply retorqueing would appreciably help. I’d mill the head and block face as little as possible and get the head magnafluxed. I don't intend to reuse that head, was planning to from the beginning as I have a bra...

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Clayton if “you feel the real issue is the head being slightly warped”, I don’t think simply retorqueing would appreciably help. I’d mill the head and block face as little as possible and get the head magnafluxed. Very valid point, but I don't intend to reuse that head, wasn't planning to from the ...

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Goo in the dip pan is very common. A common cause of head gasket failure is debris in the head bolt holes. I'd wash that thing out, dry it out, put it together and see how the whole vehicle performs. It's a Model T, not a Ferarri. That is true and I'm not gonna go crazy, but I think I would feel be...

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tdump wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:02 pm
I was wondering where you got to,good to see you back.

Sometimes a baby, full time job and a bunch of projects take you away sometimes..lol Good to be back

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One thing about an external anti-freeze leak that ran down and seeped through a valve cover gasket, all of the fluid that got into the engine would stay there. No evaporation. It's also possible that the engine accumulated some internal condensation while in storage. It would also remain in place, ...

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I'd clean it up, put it together, fill it with plain water, and run it, and watch closely for any evidence of leaks. If it doesn't leak, you're OK. If it does leak, after a proper head gasket installation, then pull it and find out why. Is there any chance that this engine froze and cracked while i...

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Head not properly torqued years ago? Head cracked in a combustion dome? (I had one of those years ago, caused a lot of strange problems.) That is a lot of leakage for a typical block crack. Sounds like someone kept adding coolant as the leakage dropped the level. in the radiator. If the engine was ...

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Check inside the top of the valve chamber, inline above that coolant lying in there, the late T blocks are well known to rust through into the water jacket. I went out just now and had a look. The top of the valve galley is clean and mostly raw Cast iron colored: 3211 3210 Then I noticed a spot tha...

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Wayne Sheldon wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:38 pm
Good to hear from you! Thanks for the update, and hope to see more.

Thanks Wayne! I will certainly be making a better effort to stay up to date here for sure.

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Definitely an engine pull. If your engine is that rusty/sludgy, I can’t imagine how horrible the transmission looks. Is the mains and rod babbit good ? Probably not but if you’re concerned about it, just don’t boil out the engine. A total engine/tranny rebuild can be accomplished at home if you’re ...

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I'd take off the transmission cover plate and the oil pan access cover and drain plug and take a look. You can probably mop out a bunch of the sludgey oil, if it won't run out by itself. If you're lucky there won't be much of any rust. A good pump up weed sprayer with a mix of diesel and degreaser ...

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Thats a lotta leak from a fresh head gasket. I would look real hard for a possible freeze crack you may have missed. How does an external head gasket weep fill an enclosed valve chamber?? You can see evidence of it running down the side of the block behind the manifolds in the center, wicking throu...

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Hi All, So the TT I got recently has been sitting for about 6 years and is not a runner at present. 3196 I started tearing into it to get it up and running, should have been an easy fix. When I pulled the head, found a lower milage rebuild with stainless valves, .060" over aluminum pistons, adjustab...

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Hi All! I know its been a while since I last posted, but life just seems to get in the way...especially with a 4 year old on the loose :lol: Alot has been going on in the last year or two, but I'll try get everyone caught up. The Roadster is still going strong and was just out recently: 3201 3194 Tw...

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this may be what you are looking for. Warford Bearings.pdfCraig. Craig, that is exactly what I need. I had seen this list earlier, but like a moron did not realize that the '23-'24 style IS the aluminum case and the later '25-'27 style is the Iron case. That's what I get for looking at this at nigh...

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Hi guys, I have heard many conversations about the interchangeability of cast iron vs aluminum warfords and have not tryed to interchange them What I have found is that some/most aluminum Warfords input & output bearings interchange with model A & can be replaced with modern sealed ball bearings li...

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I'm inclined to agree. A Warford sub-forum would be nice.

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Its been a long time since i have jumped in on a discussion here (had to build a new account), but i found this thread and needed to jump in. I have both an AL case and a CI case that need new bearings. The Iron case cross-reference list is excellent. Does anyone have a bearing list for the AL case ...

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