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Those coils look like the Kingston coils used in 1909-10 model T

15,007,033 at end of primary production in may 1927

They built several thousand more engines until 1941.

It’s all in the Encyclopedia section of this site

I have no irons in this discussion except what I know and can see. The wheels on the picture provided by Glen which is said to be as 220 was purchased has demountable wheels. 6423563D-C8AB-4A17-8EC9-854D875526EE.png To me they look like 6” hubs and I can’t tell if they are one piece spindles. The pi...

The supposed reason to use the positive ground was to reduce the corrosion at the battery terminals.
This is the story I was told, personally I think it’s a load of nonsense. JMHO

Yet even more photos

: Magneto coil ring

: Cast magnets

: Clutch spring retainer

: Transmission in chassis

: Fan spring

Some extra photos.

: Two piece timer

: Boss on left hand side of the block

: Kingston five ball carburetor

: 50” steering column and Kingston coil box

My newly restored 1909 Model T is up for sale. It does appear that I need to downsize a little, so I have reluctantly decided to find a new and loving home for my 09. It has less than six miles on the engine, following a comprehensive rebuild which included all new babbitt, new piston, valves and a ...

My 1909 kit of parts included a white rubber mat, I guess it must be a repro from sometime in the past. If does look quite nice and matches the white rubber mat at the front. Mind you I rather prefer the look of the stained and varnished wood floor.

My daughter enjoys sewing and made me a mask 432EC266-D546-4989-B785-E043C8A3618A.jpeg I asked if she could make one with a T 7639DBE6-1563-493F-9936-3224339B79B6.jpeg This was OK but I wanted an Model T 7125A6AD-CAA8-4F46-BB10-5E6FA5F9FE32.jpeg Oh dear, if it’s an early T it should be green 047806F...

I need to insure the 09 and our friends at Grundy need two pictures. So I cranked it up and parked near the trees and took about a dozen pictures.

: 1909 on Oak Valley

I don’t think the arm should actually touch the frame. All the contact should be the wood block and I believe your block accomplishes that feat. I must admit the arms should lie flatter on top of the frame, that is best fixed with the pan out of the frame. Don’t forget the horizontal bolt. Not too t...

Seems to me that you are telling us that the carb has not been touched from before the rebuild. It would seem reasonable, assuming you are correct, then the problem is nothing to do with the carb. Vacuum leak seems reasonable. Did you put new copper rings and steel rings on the manifold? Is the cams...

When I first rebuilt the 14 Touring I decided to use Evans coolant because of the Z head. It never appeared to boil but would run very hot. I discussed the hot running with the agent for the Evans coolant and he told me the specific gravity does not change with temperature. Oh oh this mean the therm...

When Reading an existing entry on an iPhone, just open two fingers on the screen. When writing an entry, open a reply on an iPhone and just above the Smiles in Normal. Click on Normal and choose the size (large in my example) and you get size=150 and /size both in square brackets. Insert your text b...

From memory the final drive on the 218mph car was 1.8:1 with about 43mph per 1000rpm. The crown wheel and pinion were custom made. I’m sure the whole rear end was very special. The first runs were made with a two speed transmission. On the second attempt a five (or four) gearbox was used. A major pr...

I’m not happy with the motor in the 1914 touring. It runs well but ever since I broke the crank and installed a SCAT , I can hear a knock which I cannot Place. So I plan to remove the motor and check everything again. I suspect a twisted or bent rod. Sooooo I have woken up the coupe so I still have ...

This was a pressure fed crank with less than 10 hours but 6500rpm

: Broken crank

Reliability is in the eye of the beholder.
(Picture from Erik Barrett)

I assemble the hoses and water pipe and the inlet and outlet on the radiator before I put the radiator on the car. Once it is roughly assembled with all six hose clamps, I ensure the two studs are vertical. For some reason all mine want to point outwards. Then I lower the radiator on the studs, lett...

One of the problems with these discussions is the meaning of “minor” modifications. My comment relate to unmodified Ford Model T engines and drive chains. As built the power curve peaked at 22HP and 25mph and stopped at 16HP and 36mph. When run like this it was probably the most reliable inexpensive...

I thought the four valve Rajo Model A was designed specifically to fit a standard firewall. The Four valve A will give you a much power as you need, they are plenty fast from my experience. JMHO

The Model T engine was designed in 1908 when there were no paved road and cars ran on mud trails. The engine power curve peaks at about 1100 rpm and terminates at 1600 rpm. This equates to about 25 mph and 36 mph and this seems to equate to the normal and maximum speed that is normally associated wi...

It is easier to get the band out from the reverse band position. I suggest you pull out the reverse pedal, then pull the reverse band. Then if you are luck you and strong you might be able to pull out the low band towards the RHS. This is one error I haven't made so I can’t say it’s possible or not....

Sold to Tim pending payment.

Thanks to MTFCA

No one seems to want them as I’ve two and offered one as low as $50 without a real nibble. So they can stay on the shelf until they come back into fashion.

For sale is a used but rebuilt Planator sliding gear. Some years ago I had two Ts with these two speed drive shafts and this gear failed. I had gear rebuilt by Alan Schmitt and I had two more made by a friend in Pheonix. One went into the failed axle and the other new one was sold some years ago. In...

The English Austin Seven was made from 1923 to 1937 with the same chassis and same motor (thru 1936) and in 1939 the 750 Motor Club was formed to support owners of these unique little vehicles. They are still around today. That’s about 81 years, same age as me

I missed the bit in the very first thread that the 1915 used a 12 volt battery. I ordered some and sure enough they will not work on the six volt system on my Coupe. I looked around the Superbrightled site and dug into the specifications on every light it found and none will operate on six volts. I ...

Luke - the second picture looks like a 1913 model. The firewall hood former is not extended 1915, the headlamps appear to be solid brass so it’s not a 1914. It has doors which make it later than 1912 so that leaves 1913. My only concern is the side lamps which appear to be black with brass trim whic...

Now ii can hand crank it, I’ll admit I did try a huge slow speed electric drill. First time I held with my skinny arms, it threw me half way across the workshop. Next time I made a support system and managed to strip a gear in my friends drill. After removing the engine, transmission and rear axle, ...

Bruce once told me that the Fordor had aluminum doors. But I annoyed him when I pointed out that the doors on my 24 coupe are aluminum. He of course had a response that someone had changed them. Quite honestly I think he was wrong. I can see one being changed due to an accident but not both. A frien...

I’m fairly confident about the date of manufacture with two irrefutable items. Both were in the video but only visible for a few seconds. The first is the serial number tag shows 11150 which according to the encyclopedia is 4 October 1909. 33C2490C-4E08-4737-B575-62FCE3A747B2.jpeg The second was eve...

My top is still up after the filming and there is no one around to help lower it. However I measure 66-67” to the top of the folded wind screen. Hope this helps.

On the hogs head issue. Once we decided it was a repro and I had pictures from Kim on what the original looks like, I stuck it in the mill and chopped off the excess. Now I can reach the two internal nuts with a wrench! There were a few other items that were binding and I cut them away. Now it seems...

As I mentioned earlier I had checked Lang’s but I had not checked Snyders. I just called and they have a set, that saves a great deal of effort. Thanks guys.

On Monday my grandson came up and we spent the morning working in the yard and the afternoon playing with the 1909 touring. He had been up previously to help with the installation of seat backs, so he is familiar with the vehicle. It started as usual with a flood of the five ball, three cranks and t...

I need a set of Walker hose clamps for my 1909 touring. I spoke to Steve at Lang’s and they have none in stock and little chance of new stock. They have some of the tooling but they believe it’s incomplete. So does anyone have details of the design so I could have a set fabricated. I looked at the p...

Calling the local police or sheriff is a complete waste of your time. I was cheated when buying lamps for the 09 and paid by Western Union.
No one cared.
Not the local police.
Not the county Sheriff.
And biggest surprise to me, neither did Western Union.

Interesting.... Ford built almost 5,000 model T engines in 1929 according to dear old Bruce and who would argue with that. I had always assumed that they were 1927 style with a vaporizer and bolts between the block and hogs head. Bruce states that they were “replacement” engines so it’s unlikely the...

I have a Z head on the 14 touring and a Prus on the 15 Speedster. Both are an improvement on the Ford head but I prefer the torque characteristics offered by the Prus. I think the combustion chamber shape is better and it gives more useable torque and better mileage. JMHO

Against my advise, the block of Lucky 7 was bored out to 0.125”. It seems to work just fine, lucky I guess

That was a great presentation, thanks to Trent for his research and Rob for making it available. I remember Bruce McCalley making a presentation about the prototype and specifically the angle bracket at the front corner. He casually mentioned it was modified in production to include the lengthening ...

Today the San Duego club had a Social Distancing Tour from the city out to Campo, a distance of about 45 miles each way. Along the way we climbed to about 4000 feet just outside Pine Valley. We had ten Model Ts on the run and one Hudson. DF403E5F-DA2B-40BB-AC58-6AF194186BB8.jpeg In Campo the choice ...

I asked because Steve thought it had been postponed.
Actually an email a couple of minutes before the online meeting doesn’t just enough notice to get a reasonable response. JMHO

Sorry I missed it, however I’m confused, easy these days, did it happen or was it postponed?

I haven’t driven any of my Ts since I returned from Death Valley tour on Feb 28. However I have driven a customers T after I reworked his Ruckstell axle. Also I had the 09 on jack stands and was able to crank it. At last. I have a video which I’ll add a link to in due course. I’m now working on thos...

If the problem was in the magneto it would be present when the vehicle is stationary. If the thrust washers have failed there will be shiny bits in the rear axle oil. I my experience a UJ failure is worse at low speed and lessens once up to a steady speed. In any case if it’s a UJ or rear axle, the ...

SO TEMPTING

I make a judgement based on the damage to the teeth and how much marking there is on the teeth. If there is minor marking then I reuse. If the marking is severe and the tooth width is reduced, then I replace.
On a customers car I would replace the gear shown in the picture.

I see to remember that at one time Glen Chaffin made oversize pins. By this I assume the oversize was on the taper where it inserts into the flywheel and was 0.003”. I am not aware of any marking on either original or oversize replacements so accurate measuring is essential.

From what I have read the bolts are inserted from inside the hogshead with the nuts and split pins on the outside. Do not cut the felt. Adjust it so both ends are at the bottom and hold the rest in place with your favorite gasket maker. I use silicon ultra black but I’m sure others are equally effec...

I took a couple of pictures of the opening in the 09 hogshead and one of the adjusting nuts.

: 09 hogshead inspection hole

: 09 adjustment nuts

I don’t need to say more......

Mark- there is no way to remove the bands thru the hogshead opening. Indeed just installing the nut and washer on the reverse pedal shaft is difficult enough. I’ll post pictures when I get the d$&m thing back together.

The door straps on my Beaudett bodied October 1909 touring are the screw version. When I had the upholstery off I did check for other holes as it didn’t want to nail into them. I don’t recall seeming any other holes in the vicinity that would result from using footman loops. 1FF15740-BCD2-485A-A859-...

So I thought I had solved the hard cranking problems on the 1909 touring, no such luck. I did start the engine using a later hogshead and flywheel using a T electric starter. We also found the back axle was too far back and was distorting the engine pan. I fixed both these problems. So now I reinsta...

On picture Xxx114 there are various pipes (or something) around the rear main bearing.
What are they?
Also I see it has counter weights.
Can you confirm the type of bolts used?

I joined the first webinar using my iPhone and it was very easy. I then shot the garage tour again using the cell phone and then pieced about 30 short videos into one 15 minute video with absolutely no problems. So far so good. Then I tried to upload to YouTube and I failed. It took my daughter abou...

Some time ago I computed the various ratios that are possible in a Model T rear axle as follows: Model t gear ratios Rin pin Ratio. Per 1000@30” wheel 40. 10. 4.000 22.31 mph 40. 11. 3.630 24.6 mph std. 40. 12. 3.333. 26.8 mph 40. 13. 3.070 29.7 mph allowed?? 39. 11. 3.545 25.2 mph 39. 12. 3.250 27....

The next webinar is on Saturday (4/18) morning at 10am

Here is a theory about suffix B and C bolts. Mine appears to use five -A short bolts and two -D bolts in my Oct 1909 vehicle. During the first year there were several changes to the rear axle associated with the backing plate. It could be that the area either side of the spool with originally thinne...

I went out to the shop this morning and measured the length of the bolts on the differential housing on my October 1909 Model T. The two either side of the spool are 2” long while the remaining five are 5/8” long. According to page 446 of the Encyclopedia the change from the pressed axle halves to c...

The bolts holding the 1909 rear axle halves together are incorrect. There are five on one size and two slightly longer. Tomorrow I will take a couple of pictures and measure the bolts. I will also find from the encyclopedia when the change from the pressed steel to casting occurred.

This photo was on a peak of about 8000 feet near Big Bear in Southern California late last year. The tour was only three days but we had a great time even though one member received a traffic ticket on the way home.

: Big Bear in 2019

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A picture would help to start a discussion.
Anyone else having problems. I put two on the 09 in January and they are still fine.

I caught the last 30 minutes and it worked quite well. I didn’t put my hand up as I’m having a lazy day and still in PJs. I did loose connection about 11:33 but rentered with very little effort. It will be fun when we start discussing T issues like my hard cranking, which is now thankfully resolved....

This was on a 2018 local tour into the Borrego Desert. A local artist was commissioned to build a series of early animal statues, totaling over over twenty scattered over several miles at the side of desert roads.

: Tony in Borrego Desert

Each magnet has a north and south and they are arranged so there are a total of eight norths and eight souths in a complete revolution. My original post ignored the placement of the magnets are arranged to make eight poles not sixteen. Therefore I am wrong. At 1000rpm frequency will be 133 Hz (1000*...

I couldn’t figure out the TWO reason why Wayne’s picture was in Canada. The flag was a giveaway but where was the second ? Then I enlarged the picture and sure enough there was Good Queen Victoria.

Rather than buy ash I would suggest you experiment with some 2x4 pine. Measure the existing space and the make a rough pattern with the pine and start creating your pile of sawdust. I did this on the 17 touring and ended up with a pile about 18” high. Great fun. Once you get the correct shape, mark ...

If the chart is wrong, what should it be? I don’t know how to compute the voltage as offhand I don’t know the strength of the magnets or the number of turns in each of the sixteen coils. However I think the frequency should be easy to compute. Each magnet passes all sixteen coils with a North Pole a...

This was during the California Dreamin’ tour in May last year. The location is Jalama beach which is the quintessential California beach, complete with a burger bar.

: Jalama beach - May 2019

On the way home from Montana, I stopped in Yellowstone NP for a couple of days. The afternoon traffic was awful so most of the running was before 11am. This was taken along the Yellowstone River.

: Along the Yellowstone River

This is one of my favorite from 2019, in Montana where in one day we climbed to over 9000 feet and I did 235 miles in a single day

: Tony & 14 touring at 9000 feet

Joe I believe that note has been on the site for several years. Easy solution, call on Monday and read your email over the phone.
I heard a rumor that the discount ended on April 1st. A word to the wise

This was taken during a tour of Death Valley in February this year.

: Abandoned Bank in Ryolite

I have a set of binoculars in a leather pouch which I don’t use any more. They are dated 1918 and belonged to a J Cripps, probably in WWI. I have no idea what they are worth. I bought them in London about sixty years ago. Contact me by email so I can send pictures if you are interested at tonybowker...

This is the Year Of Manufacture plate on my 1914 Touring. I believe 1914 was the first year that that California supplied the plate. Prior to that, the state gave you a number and the owner had to buy the digits and fix them to the vehicle.

: 1914 license plate

Dave was working on Friday

I read the original EBay posting, notice the dates. Probably a scam or ????? ——————————— Check if this part fits your vehicle Select Vehicle Radiator for a Model T Ford 1909/10 Radiator for a Model T Ford 1909/10 $1,000.00 + $200.00 Shipping 0 bids | Ends in 23h 51m Est. Delivery Wed, Apr 8 - Thu, A...

Well after nearly three months of messing around, we found the cause of the hard cranking on the 09. You may remember that when we disconnected the drive shaft it cranked easily so we deduced the problem lay in the position of the rear axle was about 3/8” too far back. A36A2307-8467-410D-9E3F-19E335...

My favorite has to be the two little lads in the Coupe.

My first T was a Coupe bought in Minnesota and trailered home in 1976, it took two years to restore and I still have it in the barn.

As usual with these complex problems, the cause and therefore solution was staring me in the face but I was too focussed to see it. Look at the nuts on the radius rods. 0077E5E6-01DE-4CEB-81A5-FA6940FC3AB7.jpeg Notice how close the it is to the end of the thread. Yes it’s about 3/8” along the rod th...

Will Walter who first asked for the crank please contact me

Tonybowker@aol.com

For Sale more bits for sale all destined for Chickasha. Early crank with aluminum handle. Nice Cindi on, was on the 09 but I found with bakelite handle which I think is correct for that year. Asking $20 plus shipping. SOLD PENDING PAYMENT 4ACD5F8D-6ADB-479C-95EF-C699D7CBEF57.jpeg A pair of cast muff...

The Oiler is sold pending payment.

Today rather than packing for Chickasha, I checked the rear spring on the 1909. Man that thing is heavy. My thought was to just reverse it and see how the gap changed. After three hours pushing and shoving, the gap is exactly the same. So the problem is not the spring. Before the rebuild, I checked ...

These were scheduled for Chickasha but...... For Sale are two early fans The first is in fine condition and is complete with spindle and grease fitting. I can send more pictures to an email address if interested. Asking $45 plus shipping. SOLD PENDING PAYMENT C193B4FE-3A64-46B5-BAFD-B9AE4FF902E9.jpe...

It’s definitely marked as Model 110 and it is brass plated steel as it’s somewhat magnetic.

The E&J is spoken for

I have two early style fans for sale These were scheduled for Chickasha but...... This one is in really nice condition Asking $45 plus shipping CCEE99E0-1A02-44B2-81B7-E1FCE907312E.jpeg F35D7669-41B9-4969-ABE3-727C4F430484.jpeg This one is not so good Asking $20 plus shipping 14B94415-4214-4247-ACEA...

These were scheduled for Chickasha but......

For Sale Jns Brown side lamp for sale. I can send more pictures to an email address if interested.
Asking $115 plus shipping.
Tony at tonybowkerAT aol.com

These were scheduled for Chickasha but...... For Sale E&J Brass lamp model 466 complete with burner. I can send more pictures to an email address if interested. Asking $350 plus shipping. SOLD PENDING PAYMENT Tony at tonybowkerAT aol.com 6AD5CEB2-B014-4108-ACE7-55B96CAC1700.jpeg A44DA780-A5F2-41F2-8...

These were scheduled for Chickasha but...... For Sale Ford Brass lamp model 466 complete with burner. I can send more pictures to an email address if interested. Asking $350 plus shipping. Tony at tonybowkerAT aol.com 29E90C67-0C7A-4961-A65D-2C39AA8785CB.jpeg 29E90C67-0C7A-4961-A65D-2C39AA8785CB.jpeg

I have cancelled. We have been requested to self isolate and driving half way across the country hardly fits with that request. The goal of the self isolation is not to stop me getting sick but to slow the spread of the virus. If we as a country don’t achieve a slow down, all medical facilities will...

Great news today.... I hand cranked the 09 motor and on the third pull it started. I can now feel the compression quite separate from new motor stiffness Scott - my theory on the the axle being too far back is that the torque tube is at an angle so it pulls the motor, which is normally horizontal, p...

Scott asked lots of question which may have some bearing on the problems. I’ll try to answer but remember I bought a kit if parts and quite honestly have little idea on the source of parts. I was told it ran some twelve years ago and broke a crank. I don’t know if this problem caused the broken cran...

Well after a couple of weeks poking around I believe I have located the problem. In the course of the work I removed the motor, more later. While it was out I replaced the hogs head and flywheel with a starter version and ran the motor. It turned fine and after a little adjustment of the five ball c...

While I agree all steering arms appear to have a taper, they are not all the same. I believe the very early Ts with a short steering column use a different angle than later models. I suspect the 1912 torpedo used yet a different design and I suppose the Improved cars yet another. BB7F0A58-FBD1-4F76-...

I did some comparison measurements between the 09 and 14 and sure enough the wheelbase on the 09 is about 1/2” longer than the 14. The distance from the rear of the running board to the center if the wheel is also greater by about 1/2”. Conclusion is the axle is too far back. Right now the only thin...

I slide the fourth main in and out with no binding. I measured from the rear pan bolts to the chasssis on each side and they are equal. Below are the pictures of the distance between the back of the pan and the fourth main when in contact with the plate on the torque tube. That distance measure 3/8”...

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