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This is the Year Of Manufacture plate on my 1914 Touring. I believe 1914 was the first year that that California supplied the plate. Prior to that, the state gave you a number and the owner had to buy the digits and fix them to the vehicle.

: 1914 license plate

Dave was working on Friday

I read the original EBay posting, notice the dates. Probably a scam or ????? ——————————— Check if this part fits your vehicle Select Vehicle Radiator for a Model T Ford 1909/10 Radiator for a Model T Ford 1909/10 $1,000.00 + $200.00 Shipping 0 bids | Ends in 23h 51m Est. Delivery Wed, Apr 8 - Thu, A...

Well after nearly three months of messing around, we found the cause of the hard cranking on the 09. You may remember that when we disconnected the drive shaft it cranked easily so we deduced the problem lay in the position of the rear axle was about 3/8” too far back. A36A2307-8467-410D-9E3F-19E335...

My favorite has to be the two little lads in the Coupe.

My first T was a Coupe bought in Minnesota and trailered home in 1976, it took two years to restore and I still have it in the barn.

As usual with these complex problems, the cause and therefore solution was staring me in the face but I was too focussed to see it. Look at the nuts on the radius rods. 0077E5E6-01DE-4CEB-81A5-FA6940FC3AB7.jpeg Notice how close the it is to the end of the thread. Yes it’s about 3/8” along the rod th...

Will Walter who first asked for the crank please contact me

Tonybowker@aol.com

For Sale more bits for sale all destined for Chickasha. Early crank with aluminum handle. Nice Cindi on, was on the 09 but I found with bakelite handle which I think is correct for that year. Asking $20 plus shipping. SOLD PENDING PAYMENT 4ACD5F8D-6ADB-479C-95EF-C699D7CBEF57.jpeg A pair of cast muff...

The Oiler is sold pending payment.

Today rather than packing for Chickasha, I checked the rear spring on the 1909. Man that thing is heavy. My thought was to just reverse it and see how the gap changed. After three hours pushing and shoving, the gap is exactly the same. So the problem is not the spring. Before the rebuild, I checked ...

These were scheduled for Chickasha but...... For Sale are two early fans The first is in fine condition and is complete with spindle and grease fitting. I can send more pictures to an email address if interested. Asking $45 plus shipping. SOLD PENDING PAYMENT C193B4FE-3A64-46B5-BAFD-B9AE4FF902E9.jpe...

It’s definitely marked as Model 110 and it is brass plated steel as it’s somewhat magnetic.

The E&J is spoken for

I have two early style fans for sale These were scheduled for Chickasha but...... This one is in really nice condition Asking $45 plus shipping CCEE99E0-1A02-44B2-81B7-E1FCE907312E.jpeg F35D7669-41B9-4969-ABE3-727C4F430484.jpeg This one is not so good Asking $20 plus shipping 14B94415-4214-4247-ACEA...

These were scheduled for Chickasha but......

For Sale Jns Brown side lamp for sale. I can send more pictures to an email address if interested.
Asking $115 plus shipping.
Tony at tonybowkerAT aol.com

These were scheduled for Chickasha but...... For Sale E&J Brass lamp model 466 complete with burner. I can send more pictures to an email address if interested. Asking $350 plus shipping. SOLD PENDING PAYMENT Tony at tonybowkerAT aol.com 6AD5CEB2-B014-4108-ACE7-55B96CAC1700.jpeg A44DA780-A5F2-41F2-8...

These were scheduled for Chickasha but...... For Sale Ford Brass lamp model 466 complete with burner. I can send more pictures to an email address if interested. Asking $350 plus shipping. Tony at tonybowkerAT aol.com 29E90C67-0C7A-4961-A65D-2C39AA8785CB.jpeg 29E90C67-0C7A-4961-A65D-2C39AA8785CB.jpeg

I have cancelled. We have been requested to self isolate and driving half way across the country hardly fits with that request. The goal of the self isolation is not to stop me getting sick but to slow the spread of the virus. If we as a country don’t achieve a slow down, all medical facilities will...

Great news today.... I hand cranked the 09 motor and on the third pull it started. I can now feel the compression quite separate from new motor stiffness Scott - my theory on the the axle being too far back is that the torque tube is at an angle so it pulls the motor, which is normally horizontal, p...

Scott asked lots of question which may have some bearing on the problems. I’ll try to answer but remember I bought a kit if parts and quite honestly have little idea on the source of parts. I was told it ran some twelve years ago and broke a crank. I don’t know if this problem caused the broken cran...

Well after a couple of weeks poking around I believe I have located the problem. In the course of the work I removed the motor, more later. While it was out I replaced the hogs head and flywheel with a starter version and ran the motor. It turned fine and after a little adjustment of the five ball c...

While I agree all steering arms appear to have a taper, they are not all the same. I believe the very early Ts with a short steering column use a different angle than later models. I suspect the 1912 torpedo used yet a different design and I suppose the Improved cars yet another. BB7F0A58-FBD1-4F76-...

I did some comparison measurements between the 09 and 14 and sure enough the wheelbase on the 09 is about 1/2” longer than the 14. The distance from the rear of the running board to the center if the wheel is also greater by about 1/2”. Conclusion is the axle is too far back. Right now the only thin...

I slide the fourth main in and out with no binding. I measured from the rear pan bolts to the chasssis on each side and they are equal. Below are the pictures of the distance between the back of the pan and the fourth main when in contact with the plate on the torque tube. That distance measure 3/8”...

This sure is a puzzle. Norm may have hit on something close to the problem, except the UJ is not too long but too short. Let’s back up. The engine is out and it turns quite freely. The front and support holes in the pan all lineup with the chassis. Just to make sure I tried a spare pan and it too li...

On the second day of the Death Valley tour the overflow tube solder failed in the header tank after driving along a disused rail bed. We found a garage to do a quick Solder repair but I thought it needed a little more support. So yesterday I pulled the radiator and soldered the tube and the support ...

PROGRESS Now I’m back from the Death Valley tour, I made a start on finding why the 09 is so hard to crank. I have carefully removed bolts until I could move the motor free of the universal joint and hey presto I can now crank the motor. Of course it’s still a little tight but that is expected of a...

My techniques may not be original or fit all top bows. When I did the 1924 I bought the four pieces that run between the side bows. I did this as I had estimated the lengths of each was different. When I received the wood I was correct, each had a specific position and length. So now I had to make t...

Robert
I’m planning attending, at NJ5, from San Diego, California.

This afternoon I had an hour to spare so I installed the hogs head with just the low transmission band. The low band was the style with the long thin ear and measured thicker than the more common button style. There is a little more drag but both ears appear to be quite loose until the pedal is depr...

Kerry, the only thick clutch plate I remember seeing was a large plate with the cut outs on the outside of the ring.

In describing the problem to some friends we found this picture of the brake drum of the 09 during assembly. 23B6EADA-95CD-4E94-8616-972E48BF37CE.jpeg As you can see the lugs are in excellent condition so the plates are not hanging on them. However the lugs do not reach the back of the drum so it do...

David The clutch plates engage when compressed. The spring does the compression The spring force is transmitted from the spring to the inner points of the three arms. This force then goes through the three screws to the inner ring. The inner ring compresses the clutch plates. If we remove the screws...

David
Sorry to disagree but the pressure from the spring is transferred to the clutch plates thru the three screws in the fingers. With the screws removed, the clutch is free. I have done that and the clutch is now free.

I just checked the three bolts. The thin heads are all on the inside.

: Three cam bolts

Thanks for the idea.

After thinking about it overnite I believe there are at least three possible sources of friction: 1 the clutch plates are catching on grooves in the brake drum 2 for various reasons I used demountable bands even though they cannot be removed thru the inspection hole in the hogs head. These bands are...

I believe that with the screws removed there is no pressure on the clutch plates and then the plates are free to rotate.
I know that when the clutch slips, the solution is to tighten the screws clockwise. Therefore taking the screws out (counter clockwise) will remove all pressure.

I was wrong in thinking only the brake drum should turn, after reading the MTFCA transmission book they are operating correctly. So either the bands were hanging, or the Clutch was not releasing. Being an early hogs head with the small square hole it’s tough to see and measure. Also I guess the plat...

Kerry
I mentioned in the text that I removed the screws so there was no pressure on the clutch plates. With the screws in place I couldn’t turn the rear wheels.

Many of you have been following my adventures restoring the 1909 Touring. Well this last week I have been trying to get it started. Way back in 2017 after the motor was rebuilt I did actually use a later flywheel and hogs head and had the engine running. Not for long but it seemed ok. Now after all ...

Wonderful painting

The middle touring looks just like my 09

Of course I agree with Ron regarding the power capability if the T generator, his experience coincides with mine very closely. On one car, the customer really wanted to retain a completely stock appearance but use 12 volts for starting and lites. So I used a modified rebuilt starter and generator wi...

This is in reply to John.... There are four coils in a Model T starter. If we assume each is 0.1 ohm and wired as two in series and then the pair in parallel, the resistance is surprise —- 0.1 ohm. Now if we wire all four in series the resistance is 0.4 ohm Everyone following so far? Ok if we supply...

I have an OF on the speedster and on the 14 touring and I think they the very best carb for the T. However I have close friend with a four valve rajo and we have tried number of carbs with varying degrees of success. All were trial and error and it’s been a fun ride over the last 5-6 years. However ...

Many things can cause an engine to seize but most mechanics are familiar with the clearances to avoid such problems. We now know it’s a newly rebuilt motor so it probably has aluminum pistons and new rings. Most mechanics know how to gap the rings so that’s unlikely to be the problem. Remember we do...

I (Tony Bowker) will be in the North building at NJ 5
I’ll have some used Ruckstell bits and what is left over from the 1909 Touring restoration.

For Sale - two sliding gears for the Starr and Planator two speed drive shaft transmission. FA17B5B1-F66D-4CDE-AA1B-1CB07A1824CD.png One is brand new and has never been used. Asking $100 obo plus shipping. The second is the original gear from my transmission and was repaired by Alan Schimit. Asking ...

Those who have been following my restoration of the 1909 touring may remember that I built the engine over two years ago and I started it by temporary installing a later flywheel and hogs head. It ran for a few minutes then I shut it down. The engine has been sat now for close to 24 months and now I...

The upholstery on my 09 touring front seat is probably the same as a roadster. It is leather and looks original though it could have been replaced in the 1950s restoration.

: Front seat if 1909 touring

More pictures

: Line of cars

: Some drivers

I was able to attend the first day of the tour. The routes were spectacular. Mainly back roads with very little traffic with visits to the Deer Park winery and the Antique steam and Gas Engine Museum. Then we had great meal at the Pala Mesa Resort we had over twenty cars and close to 50 people with ...

It seems that not all bodies suffered from the weakness as there is a note: JUL 14 Acc. 575, Letter 434, Ford Archives Noted that 1913 Touring bodies were made by Herbert, Fisher, Wilson, and Beaudett. Apparently the Beaudett bodies differed in construction from the others. Beaudett bodies with a fi...

Bud, the control rod goes Under RHD water pipe.
As I stated, I have seen these differences of rod length for different styles of timers previously.

I looked it over and decided the following. 1. The plugs were dry and sooty even on full choke 2. Lots of suck at carb inlet 3. Timing Is rather restarted. The lever is at nine o’clock at top dead center. I’ve seen this previously when switching from roller timers to the carbon brush version. 4. We ...

What’s the fuss about?
This is a screen shot from my iPhone.

: Screen shot

The location is on the lower right side

I have done some more work over the past month, I now have the fenders back on the car and wheels painted. A2A92F9B-EB84-48ED-83D2-0FCCDA107CD1.jpeg There was a monument of confusion as there are four holes in the wood hood former under the hood. On the drivers side I put the bolts in the outer two ...

I’m having a similar problem on a customers 26/7 Ruckstell axle. I called Bud and he told me the drums, the linings and the mountings are all different between the two designs.

I’ll probably be there if I get the rear axle back in the 14 touring

I agree with distributor gears, the lower one on camshaft and the other on the dizzy.

I first met both Bruce and Howard at the Hamilton (Dust) Bowl in 1976 during the Long Beach club swap meet before I bought my first T, a 1924 Coupe. Bruce convinced Heather that I needed Rocky Mountain Brake’s and Howard convinced me that Model Ts were a great hobby and I should immediately get invo...

Looks like a right hand drive. I wonder if it was Canadian or English (Trafford Park)?

I went on a tour last Saturday with the Escondido club. We were about five miles along the road when there was a Big Bang followed by a slight tire “cherp”. Naturally I stopped and looked under the T, nothing looked amiss but I had lost all drive.... One friend took me to pick up my trailer and anot...

A friend contacted me with pictures of trim ends available from Macs. One looks very similar to the one I have previously seen on Ts.

: Trim end from Macs; EF62875C-4858-481A-86B6-D331E46F9FE2.jpeg (22.32 KiB) Viewed 1065 times

Apparently Macs has several other styles in their catalog.

I have seen the style on the second picture on what I believe to be fairly original cars.
I don’t know a modern source.

The previous posts have covered just about everything that can cause your problems. But first please buy, beg or borrow the MTFCA booklet covering the rear axle. Just to go over the main points again. Make sure the axle gears are pushed all the way towards the center, the two C clips must be held ti...

Sorry the pictures are out of order and one duplicated, I tried to fixit and failed

On the Nodel T of Facebook site someone has shown a page from a twenties Sears Catalog. Wow those prices were a real shock compared to today. Just for comparison a reverse drum in the twenties Sears catalog is $1.95. The same item in the current Lang’s web site lists 3301 with a new drum and refurbi...

During the various Shoot Out tours we travelled on many of those roads

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Happy memories

I was under the impression that on the early cars, say 1908 thru 1913 the body and wheels were pin striped at the factory. From 1914 onwards, any pin striping was done locally at the dealer by local artisans. I can hardly imagine that to speed up production the wheels were dip painted and then manua...

I think the first picture appears to be the door striker support on touring and or roadsters. Some scale would help

Yes.
I did quite successfully on the Town Car. It required a little more effort than an 11 tooth pinion but just a few shims.

I’m trying to determine what round bits 0.036” diameter could be..... That is about the diameter of the wire I use for locking nuts but the picture seems to show something solid rather than being flexible like wire. I can’t think of any pin used in the motor that is 0.036” diameter. I guess it could...

HCCA.org came up for me.
The Cars for sale appears to be down for maintenance

No one seems to be addressing the discrepancy between the original clearance was range of 0.025-0.032” and using modern materials the 0.011-0.015” clearance. The difference is in the “modern materials”. The original design used two piece valves, seats in the block and none precision camshafts. All t...

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Can’t help on the captions

TT rear wheel.
I know the T is 2.114” or thereabouts

I use 0.032” wire from McMasters

Today was the first day of the San Diego Speedster Endurance Run and I measured the hubs on several Model Ts. They were all between 2.108” to 2.115” so now I know what I need to machine the custom hubs.

I figured out the photo that Adam is referring!
Clearly it’s a Model A block showing grinding in the valves.
Well on the lower right of the same page is an article FEATURED PHOTO and sure enough is mentions a home made tool for lapping in the valves. That’s the connection......

I heard he wanted to sell Model T Haven

I found an on-line program to convert the build sheets from *.pdf to *.jpg
The quality is poor but is as good as the original they sent me.

: 11150 Original Build sheet

I’m still working the 1909, today I managed to get all four wheels mounted. They still don’t have rubber and are still unpainted but now I know most things fit. Notice “most”. The rear hubs are too large for the hub caps. I tried later hub caps and they don’t fit and the 09 hub caps fit the later wh...

I will be back at NJ5 hopefully with some bits including stuff left over from the 09 which I sincerely hope will be running by March. I’m staying at the Budget motel which clean and convenient, well at least thats the way it’s been for the last couple of years. Are there any rumors about a similar s...

Many years ago I tried it on the coupe. I failed. After lying on my back for most of the weekend I decided it wasn’t fun. So the next weekend I pulled the motor and did a proper job of it. In retirement I help folks fix their T’s but I NEVER adjust rods with a three dip pan in the car. Just not fun....

On Thursday our local club did a school visit. The fourth and fifth grades are learning about Assembly Lines and Henry Ford, so we take a few cars to several schools and give some life to the stuff they learnt. I took the 1914 touring and it ran fine, as usual when just as we pulled into the lunch s...

I’ll try the copy method but the existing quality is very poor and it can only get worse.
By the way the date on my transmission shaft is “09 30 09” which corresponds to the build dates noted in the Build Sheets

I use two C clamps, one at each end of the pole pieces so there is room to get to the new screw. Cheap and effective.

I bought a set of wood plans from Mel Miller when I rebuilt the 1917 Touring in the late 1980’s. It was quite successful though I did end up with pile of sawdust about 12” high. So they were NOT drop in. Later I contacted Mel to see if wanted to sell his business and received a not interested reply....

I finally located the build sheet for my 1909, I knew I had it somewhere. Indeed there was some confusioin as to whether the number was 11150 or 11750. The latter was shiped to London Eng so its quite unlikely that is was my car which was in Michigan area in the 1950's. Some interesting reading from...

I called at 4:30 this afternoon (thursday Oct 17) and spoke to Dave as usual.

I have one on my 1909, I had never seen one previously so I thought it was special. Now I see they are being reproduced, in brass no less, mine is cast iron.
All my other Ts have a cup and leather strap

KeithG wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:40 pm

Is that Tony Bowker kneeling down in front next to Seamus Knat? Tony, you have to confirm your id.

You guys have to help me with the others....

Keith

Unfortunately it was not me, I’m still in Ramona struggling to start the 1909

No offense taken. I have seen several 1909 Model Ts over the years but I only have a couple of pictures of the door leather and only one has the light such that the cross pattern is visible. 501C3E18-AFE8-4B89-8853-7041CB87104E.jpeg When I first took the picture I couldn’t see the pattern but my eag...

I used cardboard under the door leather. A close friend had a large sheet about 0.080” thick so I used that , cut to slightly smaller than the leather. I also painted the edges black so it would not be visible from the edge. I tacked the cardboard in place, then used a little glue on the cardboard b...

That triangle piece of insulation has been on every apparently original I have ever seen. So I believe it to be part of the original design. I bought a couple of sheets of 0.015” thick insulation on the web a number of years ago and cut it to shape on the starters I re-build.

WTB a '26 -'27 with wire wheels, solid body, OK paint and interior, everything working, along with excellent mechanicals including recently rebuilt and balanced engine and transmission with a Scat Stroker crank, stipe 280 cam, high compression head, new babbit and pistons, etc. plus a Ruckstell in ...

The regular Model T bodies are held by the brackets as mentioned above but on a custom body you have other options. Our speedster body is bolted directly to the chassis. I think we used the six brackets that are riveted to the chassis so it gives a slightly lower look. Of course several items are in...

Some years ago I decided to make a set of spoke for demountable wheels. Finding the wood in the west coast was tough and quite expensive. I make the first out of pine as it was easy to work and I could add a little where necessary. After I had the pattern I started and by the fifth I was getting pre...

For what it’s worth I add my vote to eliminating the well meaning but quite unnecessary ban.

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