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Interesting on breaking Ford axles back in the day. Had posted the below pic of axle dimensions some time ago, obtained it from this article from 1920 issue of Automobile Dealer and Repairer, May 1, 1920, "Special Ford Number" as this issue has lots of Ford info. Here is the rest of the story on ga...

Pat You were very correct, one of those triple gears was indeed very poor condition. Was under the impression all new parts were used, the drums are new, but triple gears and driven gear Ford used parts. Very surprised to see this poor gear used in a total engine rebuild, 2 of the triple gears are ...

Might just be oil artifacts on that first photo, but all triple gears and parts going in cleaner tank to inspect carefully. Casual look seems triple gears were ok.

John All the parts were new on rebuild, shaft, drums, triple gears, pins , etc. Thought the gear was new too, but have looked at other Ford driven gears (worn parts I have) they each have faint script or at least letter marks for inspec or maybe steel type, the busted one had same ‘brushed like” fin...

Thanks for the insights on the noise. Thought too the triple gears, so when inspecting after disassembly, every thing was pretty ok, clutch spring and drum ok, the turbo discs without wear, but when revolving the drums, there was a bit of catch as the brake drum was rotated. Peaked at each gear rev...

How long has this motor been in service? Triple gear issue. Acts like a seized/seizing triple gear bushing(s). Before removing the motor, I would confirm thru the inspection cover. About 3,500 miles on total rebuilt, all new parts, scat crank, pistons, rings, including all three new repro drums, tr...

Have been investigating today the source of rather disturbing noises from the transmission of my '27 touring. Noise presented out of the blue on January 28th, had run about 2 miles to a friends home, parked and couple of hours later started fine, ran normal speed about 30 back to the house and on a...

Have this piece, 7" x 4".

Email your address back via club PM and I will mail it to you in letter envelope.

Carburetor was originally supplied from Ford? The Holley 5 Ball or the Kingston 5 Ball?

According to the Encyl... majority of early '09 Ts used the Kingston 5 ball. Some shipping docs mention the Buffalo carb, but those must have been rare.

I would be really concerned about the POS battery terminal coming into contact with the battery hold-down. Bat.png Jerry That is my photo of a '24 I did and later sold. Always have used Optima 6v batteries and make a holder to secure these oblong cases. The lower holder is a 3/4" thick board with n...

Mark

Thanks for the heads-up.

Just pre-ordered his new book too, will be fun addition to my library.

FB adv about a week ago.

Red oak new boxes.

Does anyone have an example of a roller for this timer?

Seems that is a worn down Bemus, makes for poor design to have flat sided roller

There may have been another improved Bemus, as this adv states Bakelite as would guess the timer case.

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Link above shows side view of lower drain and upper oil plugs. Last few posts on link note you can fill via the shift lever cap, would think full lube would be level with top oil plug.

Originals to show that the turtle deck is rather set back from the subframe sheetmetal anyway, the Ford was the Low Cost auto you know, gaps and fitment weren't priority

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That’s my issue , looks like my turtle deck is smaller than the rest of the deck of the car , is there supposed to be a ledge on the sides and rear like my pictures show ? Love that color blue on the photos you sent. Just may be how the wood subframe was done, if re-wooded from factory, the sheet m...

Your fit is going well, just align the deck to the rear tub moldings and the lower deck trim.

Then when you bolt it in place and all is good.

Here is one pdf file with good discussion.

https://share.google/6DB88t8Wo2PztQ5Gh

And there is a private FB page pertaining, you could join to ask for assistance.

Sold to Kenneth, thanks MTFCA!

Will be more successful if you spray paint vertical and rotate the wheel as you do. Photo is from the forum on this subject, pro method. 221625 (560x344).jpg For home garage work, placed a piece of PVC tubing clamped in the legs of a ladder, to rotate the wheel front hubs, used steel rod for the rea...

3 packages older mfg. New old stock K-W type coil sets, contain one set of points per package.

Plus 4 sets of points of later mfg. In good shape to be reused.

$30 postage paid USA.

Or......just leave the turtle deck on, remove the lid and rear deck panel. Then make a slide in box ;) roadster with animal box .jpeg Box with rear fenders bolted to the bed sides. 600224.jpg Factory painting the deck before it gets bolted to the runabout subframe. 485682.jpg

OH OH Just checked and looks like a clone of the Club's FaceBook! Went to the hot link HOME on left of top page Forum to the club, then click on RESOURCES and then click on OTHER LINKS. When you open the club link to its FaceBook account, members are 4,600! That link you posted has only around 500.

77 and still messing with Model T’s, right now in Ocala FL on the FL Coast to Coast T tour, splashed in the gulf. Filed empty bottle with gulf sea and poured on the T’s front tire. Thursday we will be in St Augustine to splash in the Atlantic, wetting the front tire on each coast :) IMG_1182.jpeg Go...

More photos from the iPhone. Small size so it fit into the narrow end of the hogshead inspection port , used flash to get photos. Note the brass screw ends and a location mark of the casting nub as a guide to get the peened ends of two magnet screws aligned for the flash. Made insulated bolt to use ...

On an recent install of an older rebuilt engine, found that the magneto was intermittent, cleaned mag pickup that had some debris, (known good switch) , but still was intermittent at speed showing only 10-15v (T magneto meter). So decided to “flash” the magneto and see if that would fix. First time ...

Numerous early autos came with dust shields as they called by period literature, or known as engine aprons or engine pans as Ford named the parts. Engine pans are listed in the engine #s parts and price listing, so they are part of the engine. Use was to keep excess road dust, dirt, mud, rain, out ...

May be prudent to recheck the dash height for correct 1912. The sketch is for a 1913 dash , but the '12 should be 1 1/2" taller.......as mentioned if you read all the way thru this older post on '12 dash. https://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/216356.html?1307669714 1913 firewall drawing.jpg

Bottom hub cap wrench with the cutout and pins used to adj. front bearings, might be teens Oldsmobile or Buick?

Photos from 1914 of the painting process for wheels and rear axles, Ford Methods and The Ford Shops . Wheels were spun painted, at 750 rpms first coat, then lower rpms for second coat. Stacked and dried. 4000 wheels a day by 27 workers. Rear axles were assembled and dip painted. IMG_1104.jpeg IMG_11...

That C letter with the ‘flat’ side on the C looks like same on this early 2 pedal Ford. So maybe early clutch pedals have that look?

johnr wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 27, 2026 12:33 pm
What would normally have been used for the roof covering for a light delivery
or depot hack ?

Catalog page details top construction.

I bought a GOOLOO tire inflator off Amazon. It's worked well for the past year, including inflating my trailer tires to 80psi. The "Project Farm" guy on YouTube reviewed them. https://youtu.be/kWNYjkh-JyI?si=VlJoNabtlzQmiDzr Thanks for that link, just ordered a Gooloo after following the video to t...

Allan Interesting, that rear wheel hub separated from the mounting plate. Same happened on a mountain tour in NC years ago. Driver felt drive line skipping, we all thought the rear axle must have lost thrust washer or gear tooth, so out came the rear end. Took it apart, found nothing. So late in the...

Good driver skill for Model T safety, congratulations to the driver.

Ford even mentioned the hand brake lever in a Service Bulletin.

Yes, some time in 1925 model year the quadrant had only 2 holes, but the frames continued for a time with the std. 4 holes till perhaps the Improved Car frame in Aug 1925. Note the 4 holes (one is filled with a bolt), but from the factory the quadrants were riveted in place, Ford didn't use bolts fo...

Thread sizes on the NH carb. Drain assembly into the carb housing is 9/16” - 24 thread.

Your carb body seems rather rusted, best fix is a better unit to rebuild. A good one looks like this:

***btt*** to hopefully have my question answered Early years not all states required front or rear registration or licensing plates. Ford in 1914 didn’t offer plate brackets. For the front plate an owner would affix with either straps to the axle, or fasten somewhere. Same with rear plate, affix to...

Aero Kroil gets my vote too. Use a wire brush first to remove heavy debris that restricts the penetration. Aerosol applications for underneath use too!

The narrow spray tube concentrates stream to the fasteners joint. Better than PB Blaster IMO.

70 rating may be a bit high for typical gasoline for autos in the 1920s. About 60 octane would be more in line. Notes from a 1980 paper on fuels for autos and aircraft in the early years. The number mentioned are from 1914. Although octane number ratings were still more than a decade away, estimated...

Likely a ‘24 or a ‘25 as upper windshield frame has holes for mirror and wiper. High radiator, can see an accessory speedometer drive too. 21” split rims optional on ‘25, which this T has. Interesting bracket on driver side for a rim, but there should be a rear carrier. Value depends on running cond...

Agree. Just remove tacks or staples at the rear curtain where the straps are tacked (might be staples) by lifting up the top cover. Do same at front bow, and replace each strap at a time. Did similar on my touring, straps were ok but pads were torn and worn, so had to remove the whole top cover. Dif...

Had one of those for a while, didn't use it. The large float was heavy dense wood, probably too dense to get more soaked with gas, if it did would just be heavier and work to drop down, that is the use of that float, to fall down and ring the bell. You wind up the spring and when the float drops to...

Just one of many on line sources.

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Click on Gallery to the top right of the Forum page, and then open the Bolt Charts.

Howard’s Lucky #7

Contrary info from a Ford text book, can't recall the source copied from

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Mfg. stated 2 year shelf life in recommended storage conditions, esp for aviation uses. The oils can separate, but can be mixed back. Material is PROPYLENE CARBONATE Mfg. Safety Data sheet on storage. IMG_0933.jpeg For Ford T application on my carb and potato shut offs, my tube is probably 8 years o...

Neat accessory for sure. Have seen one in Jack Putman’s place on his T

Wondered how fan was fitted, on Jack’s the large gear has pulley for fan belt. Instruction page notes T fan bracket remains in place.

Check with another glass shop. Found this non-Ford brass windshield at Luray. Upper frame missing cross piece and brass channel, so bought some straight channel from Lang's and bent it into place, and used a piece for the top frame. windshield.jpeg Used a piece of slightly less than 1/4" thick plyw...

This info was published in Q&A section of Model T Times years back.

1913 Touring

Inside measure of all wood bows is 53”
Front #1 protrudes 6 ¼” from top of socket to top of bow
#2 protrudes 6 ½”
#3 protrudes 9”
Rear #4 protrudes 7”

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Easy to use the Ford clamps and carriage bolts that held the factory battery box lid. Use a strip of wood as the structure for the clamps to bite on. Works well, no shifting of the Optima, esp. if you also make a pad with tall side wood pieces under the battery bracket. Optima red top installed.jpg...

Use this strap, for 6 volt battery, works great! Hauled in an old battery for trade at TSC, and the clerk marveled, had never seen one

Most authentic is modern battery with AGM tech.

This site has them, look real good, work great and price is high to match looks and quality

https://batterycentralmall.com/product- ... ords/ford/

An original 1914 showing off factory ways of top and upholstery.

So, Edsel was 17 years old when he drew that sketch.

Was his same age in high school when I dreamed and sketched my T speedster.

Just one potential problem with Champion 25 is the electrode is just threaded into the ceramic and potted to the porcelain. If you use more than finger tight on the thumb nut on the terminal, the potted electrode can be broken away inside and lead to hidden misfires. 327304.jpg Run the 25 in the Pr...

Oh, news to me, got a set of open express plans from Jay in 2023. He posted on this on the forum July 2024. Still have the plans if anyone wants to do an open T express. by Jay Cramer » Tue Jul 30, 2024 3:21 pm Wagon Works, in Ankeny, IA, is still in business. We just don't have a website at this ti...

Craig

Thanks for that lead, tried to google but didn't know the name. ULine has a 2" thread brass one, handle could be painted to hide modern look or modify it.

Bought one of those a few years ago, mounted on the '23 cut down. Haven't used it, but do carry a rope and hook for around a spoke, just for show and tell :) Cool device as it doubles as a hub puller with the threaded hole in the cap to place a bolt to drive off the hub. IMG_3552.jpeg IMG_3551.jpeg

Some pics of registers for those heaters.

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Floor board install

Have one of these registers in my stash if you need one, may be useful for your install.

Here is some info from a felt seal mfg. website. Agree with these generalizations too, have found wool felt as a crankshaft seal is marginal, why Ford used cotton rope seal one on the new Model A. As for other uses, like the large round felt seal in rear hub recess, or Hyatt bearing cap , have alway...

MTFCI has nice heavy radiator plaques.

modelt.org

Built a '15 speedster years ago and wrapped the Fordite wheel with overlaps of friction tape, then applied coat of clear spar varnish. Looked good and felt like a race car in my hands.

Pic is a scan and blurry......

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Comparison of felt (lower) and rope seal (upper)

Install of rope seal in timing cover

Lift Eyes are good, have used them many times. For one person lift, put one eye in 3rd plug hole , another in 2nd plug hole. The 3rd plug hole allows engine to lift straight up off the frame rails, pull forward to clear the pan mounting ears from firewall brackets. Then switch chain to 2nd hole to g...

Allan noted rim is Canadian, the two holes opposite are for the Rim Tool to open and close the split rim.

Canada Service Bulletin

Some shims and caps!

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Typical peen needed to prevent nut from backing off, note flare of thread end into the nut. 836318.jpg And, a bit of view of a NOS Ford wood spoke hub and note the factory way of a very short thread showing and hammer flattened to prevent the nut from backing off. DSC00828%20840x630_zpsnebbcdsv (57...

Have used a little 25w elec solder pistol , removed the old screen, then touch around the edge to heat up the residue solder in the rim groove. Lay in the new screen, touch tack in a few places so it won't shift. Then heat and apply solder....more you do the better you get ;) IMG_5058 (730x548).jpg...

Coker Tire lists the 30” x 3 1/2” brass stem Michelin tube.

Would image Larry found a NOS Accessory Rim and tire carrier of this brand. Or made a copy of one? Likely his is an original accessory, can see the angle channel iron for the uprights, just like the accessory. Sure is very practical without harming the sheet metal or drilling added holes. Scan0415 ...

Would agree likely a magnet keeper made of steel with thin sharp edge slipped away and tore that narrow gash. Esp. since bent edge of pan was forced outward. More simple and direct way, can't really do short cuts is to remove the Ford powerplant as the engine was named in the day. The pan is the fou...

Universal Welding Company, St. Anne, IL Wheel photos posted show a bit different style, Maybe Universal Welding did a later design change to the wheel lug mounts? Or?? Universal Hubs were used to mount different wire wheels without lugs? As those hubs are missing lugs and just have bolt heads to co...

Pressed steel so not Ford, and blades are too short without offset. Don’t know make.

The Prus head is still the best one to use for performance, have used both, and prefer the Prus. The chambers are CNC matched machined, the Z is as cast. The Prus is also pressure sealed like modern alum heads to resist material corrosion. Did my garage cc'd method, and the Z had 250cc chamber, and...

WorldChamp1914 wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 31, 2025 1:50 am
What is Dennis Fleming contact information?

Look at the Header top of Forum page, upper right icon 3 lines , click on , box opens , search members, enter member name, page appears with info, scroll down to contact and send pm or email to the member.

Several can be found on-line, obvious from the 30's or so, as a promotional by Firestone. Perhaps sold or maybe just image items that Firestone dealers kept in their store fronts. Lid recess held matches. Also you can find rubber ash trays with the glass tray molded within a Firestone tire, only min...

James IMO search for better clincher rims, that rim has too sharp clincher bead and will cut a new tire quickly. This is a new tire ruined by sharp clincher bead. IMG_3466 (1280x960) (620x465).jpg This clincher rim is rusted too much, flaky rust in the rim, and the clincher bead rusted away to knif...

These noted photos may help.

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Early model 1926 pickup illustrated with Ford adv., note the front stake pocket is at the very front of the bed,
a change was made later to move pocket back about 7".

been an issue for some time, If I keep my speed no faster than 35mph the engine runs at normal temp. If I push the engine to 40mph it wants to run warm. The moto meter will be full red. As soon as I back down the speed she cools back down and the moto meter runs in the right range. Have experienced...

Believe the smooth back is very early, this is factory photo to show the bed and deck removed. Don't know if any date can be determined, had a very early '26 runabout pickup, serial in Nov. 1925 and it had the raised panel. IMG_9388 (2).jpg And most have the raised panel on the back of the bucket. I...

The measure seems should work, about an inch above the boards, as you measured the highest point of the curved crossmember. The hump plate shouldn't be flat, it should have a bit of a curve or crown shape to accommodate the very top of the crossmember. The clearance is only very small, sometimes the...

This one is a more common accessory oil filler.

And a couple more on this older post : https://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/1 ... 19805.html

Thought so too, the OP on that tool group found it at a garage sale, in Melbourne Australia of all places!

Forget the tap dance

Old timer mechanics just used a screwdriver to stir debris deep in the bolt hole, and remove that metallic stuff with a Ford magnet against the shank.

Saw this tool on a FB Vintage Tool I.D. Group, was unidentified by the poster. So looked up the tool in a Stevens Speed Up Catalog. Rather useful to have when one-man replacing rivets, makes a real good bucking bar. IMG_0357.jpeg IMG_0358.jpeg IMG_0356.jpeg Would have liked that tool for last job on...

Yes on re-using head bolts that check out in great shape, inspect threads carefully. Just be aware new reproduction of the dome nickel 26-27 style are modern thread type and a tad shorter in length. If the block threads are super good, the repro work, if block threads at the grip range are poor, tho...

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Correct would be the side adjusting screw.

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And the side version has the correct post, which is tapered on each side.

Dan, I believe the plugs are located over the pistons, causing the flame path to direct combustion pressure towards the valves, and not towards the piston, where it can do the most good. Jerry Yes, was mistaken as been years ago, here is pic off eBay site showing plug over piston, and weird flame g...

The shiny painted carrier is the ‘25 version for the split rim 21” tires. Note shorter top arms.

The pitted is ‘24-‘25 version for clincher rim 30” tires.

Ran a Lizard head when first came out, had to use wire rope on a power drill to whip around in the water jackets, lots of sand and crud came out. The spark plugs are located over the valves , *** correction “over the pistons “ messed with advance lever but still lots of pings from poor combustion. S...

Dan, so there is a cap on the stems that are then covered by the dust covers? Learning more every day… Yes, a dust cap covers the metal stem. The valve cap seals the stem to prevent water intrusion to the valve inside the stem. The dust cap covers all to keep dirt off. Dust cap screws onto the rim ...

Note seal inside the valve cap.

Here's some pics of the pieces in that envelope. The cap would be a valve cap. The cap washer is a tiny usually red rubber ring inside the valve cap to assure good seal of the cap. The valve 'insides' are of course the stem of the valve that holds the pressure intact after air fill. Those can go ba...

If the original owner used a wood frame, that could be the cause. Or put plywood over the spring? Or stuffed the spring coils with upholstery foam, some may do that for extra support to worn coil springs. The '26-'27 front cushion is only the spring frame, covered with the upholstery. The cushion th...

As posted above, no carrier on a 1917 frame, as demountable rims weren't available yet. So most times a spare tire was strapped to the running board, some mfg. supplied brackets even for the rear mounted to the spring clip. Only the late '19 frame had holes for the tire carrier. You could drill hole...

From floor mat to leading rear edge in the ‘27 touring, it’s 12 1/2”

Also have added by upholstery shop added cushion as we tour lots and seat spring cushion is the only shock absorber on the T! Only 5’ 7” so top up no issues ever.

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