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Allan when I was gathering up parts for my TT (the one Dallas has now), I found two NOS Kelsey 23 rear wheels at different times that had never had hubs installed in them. One had those raised areas at the spoke holes, the other one didn't. Otherwise, they were identical. Don't have any idea why, just one more Model T (TT) mystery. :D Dave

Preston, do you have any idea where that cab came from? If it came from John Danuser(RIP) and the paint is faded yellow Zinc Chromate primer, I can give you the history of it back to 1964. It sure looks familiar. Dave

There still out there. Here's the Portland Assembly Plant in the day:

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Here is is today at SE 11th and Division. It now houses shops and the Genealogical Forum of Oregon , which is a remarkable historical library:

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My '15 in front of the building where it was assembled (we...

The if it isn't broke don't fix it, good idea. My only comment re the plugs, is they don't look to have been in that long going by the threads on the outside. but bottom line would be it's your call and if they are not in the way leave them.

Scott, our Canadian sourced cars all came with Kelsey loose lug wheels until at least mid 1925, and even the early ones in that range were still loose lug type. So we only saw welded lug 23 rims in the latter part of 1925, prior to the improved cars with 21 wheels. My barn find original 1925 ute has loose lug rims. 4 of them are dated 3-25 and one...

Burger, I can understand your love for glass insulators. Nothing like a bunch of insulators all in a row for a kid with the 22 he just got for Christmas.

Dick (Just kidding ...... don't shoot !)

Here is another side to Ron. As the article says, charity doesn't only mean giving money.
Ron gave freely of his time as well; in this case wildlife conservation.

Harry

Go for it! 3.25:1 works great in my roadster.

Allan from down under.

Great suggestion Kevin. I see Langs sells them but they are pricey at $62.75 apiece. Someone must have a patent on them. I don't see any others doing an internet search. I'll drive the car some and see if the short neutral range is a problem. The issue is my novice girlfriend wants to drive the car. A LOT.

Thanks for posting the pictures of RDR (Ralph Ricks). That 77 was my favorite of the many changes RDR did to his car / Picup as he called them. He had a very unique vocabulary. The car still resides on Old Pirate Lane and in his Son, Ross Ricks's, possession. It's now a pea green color and sporting a homemade wooden box on the rear which RDR used...

Glycerol (glycerine or glycerin) was the first antifreeze but was expensive to produce in the 30's. It is a colorless, odorless, viscous liquid that is sweet-tasting and non-toxic. Its use is being promoted again because it is a byproduct of producing Biodiesel. There are several types of antifreeze today green (ethylene glycol) and orange colored...

The tailgate is definitely a T tailgate. This style was also used on the first 1928 A pickups too. They found the hinge was weak, and they are, so they modified that hinge for the A's, but they will still fit a T. You mentioned in a phone call that there is a slight convex problem with that tailgate which could probably be corrected on a press if...

The door on the right has a curtain fastener that appeared in 1927.

I'll lip off and say it's a good thing you don't have a stock exhaust in your stash. Once I took off the cobbled together headers and put on original it took all the wind out of the sails and tossed out the torque...
I like your exhaust system!

Haha, Aye Duey I have no intention of putting the car back to stock as my plan is to gradually get...

The one I remember was Tighten till failure then 1/4 turn seems about right. :) . Jim

Thank you, Art

Langs has 160 & 180 degree Thermostat's and gaskets $8.25 & Gasket $1.95 P/N A-TH160 & A-TH180. My 26 touring with a water pump and no hot air pipe runs too cool and is slow to warm up could use a thermostat. The 26 truck without a WP and with a hot air pipe seems to warm up OK here in Texas but up North all bets are off. I would be concerned...

I spend a little time going thru some of the current catalogs. I found 2 references to gap, Snyder's was .010 and on the back page of Lang's there is a chart of sizes etc. While the .022 to .032 is listed there for cars made after 1913 if you read the notes at the top, it basically stated not to use for valves and cranks.

It is very photogenic and fun to look at.
Thanks to all.
Rich

Tip Top Timers

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Kinda off topic question for Adam. Were the axle tubes cold riveted too?

Calendars have been ordered. Again we only ordered a limited supply. You can place your orders online at. Congratulations again to all the winners and thank you to all those that participated this year!

Thanks Pete

Yes it is a Ford spindle. I have a pair. Right & Left with this forging mark. I just was wondering if they were Ford parts. It looks like they are, just made before everything had Ford marked on it. Thanks for the info guys!

I bought mine in August out of NY, it transferred to a PA title with no issues.

Thanks Kenny. My expectations were as you mentioned but wanted to get some second opinions. Thanks y’all.

Mark, about a dozen years ago I wrestled with a backrest installation, and finally figured out the maker left out a pleat. Not sure who made it as it came with the car.
One trick Is to always start at the middle and work your way out. Whether you are doing a top, or a seat. Also, your backrest pleats should line up with the seat pleats. Might...

And they still claim the time machine hasn't been invented...

This is the part I need. Of the many of Speedo cables I've seen and disassembled from cars and motorcycles from the 60's thru the 70's, I've never seen one with a plastic end like mine has. Someone somewhere at some point in time thought this up and clearly it was not a good solution. This type of plastic is quite pliable and easily distorted, and...

Yes, that’s where they go. Mine are held in place with two wood screws on the forward edge of the vertical channel. They are not structural and are there to tack the upholstery panel in place

Good! Have fun driving the car.
Norm

They are listed in several of the catalogs, Lang's, Snyder's and maybe Chaffin's etc. Personally I am not impressed on any of the designs sold. None of them are made with the understanding on HOW the Model A wheel is mounted that I can see. The Model A wheel was designed for 3 points of contact, none of which are the lug bolt holes. In fact, the...

back in the old days when i was wooding bodies.guys would buy kits here and there,then when they gave up putting them in, they would bring then to me after a while i would show them the wood stove.ha,ha. who ever made them didn't know there left hand from there right. maybe they are better know. charley

Ps. It appears that one of the broken brass pieces is held in please by the cap on the short side so it would be best to remove the end cap on the long side.

Michael

that is a very nice looking car

The cross member that Steve J may show a picture of has the sharpest, clearest, stamping I have ever seen. I have had and seen many cross members with faint stampings that even scraped and cleaned a bit were barely visible.

I believe that the Canadian made Fords after WW1 to mid 1920's used oval back light windows.

Matt, are you going to buy it or is it fair game?

The Newlydeads at Davis Graveyard this year:

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The Newlydeads ready for the night out:

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Rear HASSLER Pancake perches are slightly curved but similar. s-l1600 5.jpg
The lever arm shocks even with different number of forks have similar 2 piece (bolt & bracket) SteelBuilt 3.jpg
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Pretty neat hideaways, Allan!

The skeleton crews at work again.
Great photos.
Rich

That's another way to enjoy a model T.
Nice work.
Rich

Does Model T Haven still have the Aerocar? A friend nearby owned that car for a short time. It was a very interesting, original car. Alexander Malcomson formed Aerocar (competition to Ford) even while he was associated with Ford. He was ultimately forced out, selling his Ford stock for $175,000. Attached are a few more pictures.

Dan

Saves wear and tear on those rubber tires too!

Hank

It looks T to me, just a spring kit of some sort fitted.

The earliest keys (1914-1919 were not much more than a flat piece of metal, and a small, flat screwdriver would turn it. They got a little more sophisticated after that with a few tumblers and eventually grooved keys, but nothing like the locks of today.

Thanks Erik, I figured as much, he knows he provides an important resource for folks and will help us... Oof! You guys have the Minnesota shows so bloody far south! I felt lucky to have driven BACK, all the way from Delavan some weeks ago on a very OT project! It is a four cylinder tho. :)
Erik, You and your dad are valuable resources for...

Now available to order. Sent in my order today.

Where can I hire you! I always need shop drawings for the work I do. The best part is you could do it from home anywhere! I'll you'll need is internet to send to me

Couple of choices - Muratic acid. It's messy and could be dangerous. Google stipping nickle plating from brass and you'll find you-tube videos on how to do it. It's addressed mainly at removing the plating from plumbing fixtures, but essentially is the same process.

Another choice is to simply paint over what should be painted, after light...

I would suspect your link between the clutch lever and the low pedal needs adjustment. Maybe the low band is too tight. You should be able to move the pedal down to about 1 1/2 inch above the floorboard before the low band locks the drum and you move in low gear. If the low is too tight, it will begin to lock when you reach the neutral position,...

I found out that my crank pulley was too large (about 3 1/2 across) I'm going to order a smaller one and a 23 belt. Sorry, No pictures, Technology is passing me by. Thanks for all the input. Bobt

Gene
I so glad you are OK.

Neal, yes the lath goes where the roof isn’t. I also now use something a little more substantial just inboard of the D rings to hold that back bow hard in the exact correct position.

Thank you very much

I hope that whoever buys is does their homework first. There a just a few things that don't match up with the original. If you look, the radiator in the first photo is not the same as the later photos, the fenders look different and the A pillar does not look quite the same.

I don't know why I / it posted two copies of page 1 to the intro. But the information is still there and I need to run help with supper.

George -- yes, locations were named for various reasons and as you note the names sometimes change over time. Ford City, where the main Ford Canada plant was constructed changed names even though the plant...

Brass. Just sand castings. Better than making out of a billet .

Edison 13s will also work in a T, but they are even harder to find than the 14s. The 13s are physically larger and have dual ground electrodes. I have no experience with how they run. :)

2 man tops are used on the 14-early 22 Touring cars. A Roadster top in the 14-22 era isn’t called a 2 man top. It’s simpler to install than a Touring top as it has just 1 set of bows. ( 2 bows). Touring cars have 4 bows in there set.

Make sure your top bows are in good stable shape and the wood in them is good. Usually it need to be replaced....

Joseph,

Thanks for the information in your reply.

Have a great day,
Dom

So glad you and your family are safe!

George,

I am in need of 2 20 TT rear rims and lock rings, and a friend of mine is trying to find 4. Can you send me some photos?

These are the pictures I took at Hershey. Hope it helps.
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W.C. Fields famously said: I never vote for anyone, I always vote against.
Marshall

It looks like a 26-27 magneto post. It has the outside oil line hole in the side and someone put a plug in it.

Reread Frank's advice before going to overly thin oil

I will not see the car until Christmas, but I've seen reports that the car runs fine. I have no reasons to doubt that, I just want to learn why someone in the past have swapped the original Holley with this.

Here’s a pic of one of the front cushions burlap that was in my 24 Coupe. The other cushion padding was long gone.
The T no. is on the side facing up. The spring side of the burlap didn’t have anything. I assume it’s a Ford no. I wonder if your original burlap has any type of number on it or if any other open cars have any kind of no. stenciled...

John

the only extra thing you'll get with a kit, is the copper line and the fitting on the front of the engine. When it breaks and you're a long way from home, you may wish you had a spare.

William,
Having wasted a week or two after rewiring a truck and pulling what hair I have left out, the only thing that I
didn't check was the switch like you have. Low and behold it was the switch that was causing all the problem.
I was told that Mr. Ben Martin in Georgia was the absolute best at reworking the entire switch to better that
new....

That may not be a puller but a thread chaser, in case you bugger up the threads and want to fix them. Frank

If its a thread-chaser, it won't chase very far before the point contacts the shaft.

Thank you for the info --wont be using them

Sherwin Williams wanted Valspar for its sealant, stain, and varnish lines. That sounded like propaganda at the time to get past anti-trust but bit by bit as each month goes by, more and more Valspar former products seem to not be available from any of the good sized stores.

I was but half way through a project that would call for maybe 15...

Compare the width with a common later hogshead. If the early one is that one inch narrower around the flywheel area, it is '09 into late '10. If the early one is the same as the later one, it is later '10 into early '11. The engine pan/lower crankcase also is narrower on the earliest cars.
There are good reasons why the narrower early hogsheads...

I found the same thing with square nuts and bolts while restoring the 8in1 truck body. Not only off center holes or shank but the whench would fit the nut or bolt one way but a 1/4 turn and wrench was too large or too small. Charm is what I call it.

Thanks Dan, that's exactly what I was looking for!

R/ Roger.

Thanks for answering the question.

Bill, I think you covered it in your description, a bigend rattle is the connecting rod on the crankshaft, with the wear in the cam bearing you get a rattle that will drive you nuts. Like you say, an advance rattle. The later cams are easy to make a good fit bearing if a new one still gives to much end play, I take the early longer bearing and...

This topic is closed.

Yes, you need to do the inner seals also. Check the sleeves and bearings for wear since you can't deal an axle wallowing around in the tube.

Andy

Richard: On my '26 coupe the brackets with the threaded stud that mount to the 'A' pillar are installed so the stud is below the center point between the two screws. If reversed, the stud will be above the center point and I think the stud and windshield bracket for the arm will then interfere. See it that is the case. And the arms are installed...

EXCELLENT!

good of you to follow up with that news...makes the use of Paypal all the more appealing.

**btt**

Very nice work on the wheel and thanks for the tip of the day; Racing your files occasionally through canning wax will keep your files from plugging up when doing soft metal.
I am sure that has been around for a while, but I haven't been yet. :lol: So new one to me.

Sorry for taking so long to answer some of your questions. Hopefully you will be able to read my printing:
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The rows are:
1. Size of end at top of picture. The 2 at the right fit into the snout of a T starter. The measurements are the diameter and length of the top end of the bendix.
2. Number of teeth on the drive...

I use 0.032” wire from McMasters