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Sure that works when the engine is out of the car, a bit hard to use head bolt dowls when trying to get the head under the fire wall as well, if you have help to hold the head up off the gasket and then screw in a couple of dowl bolts then all will work.

Pictures of your cab and doors would help. Model T bodies and frames are very flexible. Is your cab mounted on a frame now? Make sure the frame is level, flat, and square and the cab mounts are level and square. If it is not on a frame now, you still need to have the mounting pads or brackets level, flat, and square before trying to make the doors...

Tyrone, perhaps a more important question is how others support the edges of the metal. I have two sets that I built a wood framework around the inside edges to support the back and properly attach the material. It ended up being about a 1 1/2 inch by two inch curved piece.With the compound curves it took a lot of wood. I have seen 1 1/2 inch by...

OP

do you in fact have an original (or similar) timer, or are you running a distributor?

Very different types of paint applications from the different factories of the day. Gravity flow painting was well suited to assembly line, Ford used that for bodies, and used vats of enamels for sheetmetal, along with drying ovens too. Later the steel bodies got spray painted by late 1925.

Other firms used spray painting very early, for enamels...

I have pancake Hasslers and AC brakes. Work OK

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Thats great! 😊

They were bought new 2 years ago and fitted to a Wolseley Hornet Special to compete in two VSCC trials then removed. They have a few off road wheelspin scars but minimal wear 😊

My guess is it is the very nice Coupe you have for sale. Rather than scratch up a bunch of stuff and suffer the damage and mal-repair a local mechanic will do, why not let the new owner take care of it himself? He/she will likely have the knowledge/tools to do this and will certainly be more motivated to do a careful and correct job than the local...

That may be how that non-factory drawing was made but that's not how it was originally. Let us know how that works out for you in service.

You will notice the spark and throttle rods were put in before the gear case was riveted on. You must cut, or better yet chisel a slot to remove them, and carefully pry the two halves apart being careful not to break them off.

That's a shortcut way of doing it but nothing says that you must do it that way. Reverse order of assembly -- unrivet...

So, with no stress analysis yet, our gut feel is that it's fine. The information is available on the interweb, including Ultimate Strength of materials, and calculators which can have a safety factor dialed in. I'm betting I'm not the only one who checked, but I'm betting also that it isn't many, either. It may still be useable after reassembly,...

I see it now. Hard to see the threads from the photo

Older post with similar image, cutaway T, claimed as 25 model. Used to have poster size version, sold by vendors long ago, don’t remember the artist name, might have been Asian. Just a representation, missing correctness.

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I thought this was going to be about Hank Lee and his radial outboard motor. I was disappointed again.

I had one very similar to that, but the two center drums weren't larger than the outer ones. I have often wondered just how that worked out for them. Probably worked just fine for what they were doing. They most likely knew that a flat pulley shouldn't work for a flat belt, and just did it anyway because that was all that they had to work with ;)...

It looks to be a Thomas.

At some point the area by the oil fill hole was built up so it could be used on early pre starter engine. If you need a second cam gear might have to have it made at least you would have a sample to start with. I don't know it the cam gear is the same for the clip/bolt on type but if it is could be a market for them....

Here is a link to the thread.

Thank you one and all. Excellent information.

:D

We Do ! This big guy cruised down our road & by my shop a while back second one this year !

Another way to protect yourself.
Get educated on the specifics of the car.
Ask questions like, what kind of thrust washer is in the rear axle, babbit or brass?
If they get a puzzled look on their face, look out.
I know this not because I have replaced them but because I have read it is vidal this upgrade is done.
I''m no expert, far from it but I...

I suspect the system is just a little over-filled. It should find its own correct level after a few good drives. Occasionally check the level and make sure it continues to cover the tops of the cooling tubes. :)

We visited the Henry Ford this summer. It is worth driving far more than eight hours. Over many years the staff has managed to turn an eclectic assortment of things that amused Henry into an excellent display of American ingenuity, invention, and industry. Of especial interest to the Model T folks is an exploded 1923 Model T, hung from the ceiling...

Great find Jeff. I was lucky to have the tail light for my 1915. Finding one missing sidelight was not so difficult. If anyone you know needs a pair of fork mounted electric headlight buckets, I have a pair, with most of the original black paint still covering the inside.

Allan from down under.

George

None on front, only the rear. There is less bounce with these added springs, can’t say the T pickup rides better :roll: compared to my F150.

Do have pancake Hasslers on the ‘24 touring and they change the ride to a baby buggy bounce, like those.

Here is what I had. As I said, I didn’t have the chart until long after the fiber gears were made. Got lucky, but really, how much can it matter? 8426490D-70A6-4AE6-BD9D-25F8A3DFB19E.jpeg

On an unworn driveshaft the hole has to be reamed after the bearing is installed so any burrs from drilling the hole would be taken care of then.
Don't need to toss it, it can be fixed with some simple filing.

It would be a pretty long drive for me at a time of the year when there could be a snow storm.

Have a 21 Center Door.

One of my buddies from High School, Colonel Steve Lindsey, has flown the Space Shuttle a couple of times. . But I don’t think that he has ever driven a Model T... :mrgreen:

Here’s a pic of us at our 40 year reunion last summer.

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PS. Steve was at “the wheel” of STS-95, the flight that took Senator...

I think I got mine at ACE. I just looked for ones with a free length, wire size, diameter and number of turns that was close. If need be, if they are shorter/less turns you could add a spacer under the cap to get the tension to hold the balls in the slots. You want them strong enough to keep the balls in place but not so much they wear the rods.

Problem is- remove more later means remove valves, replace gaskets, and another trip to the machine shop.

Thats it. Results thus far appear to indicate usa cars had a made in USA medallion, Australian export had none, Canadian had a made in Canada medallion.

I need to acquire 2 Canadian medallions, if anyone has some please send me a pm.

many dealers carry wood kits like;

The kits might be made by;

The wheels look like front tractor wheels that you could bolt a weight to in the 2 opposed holes.

:? I have had to use it more then once! LOL

I have read some previous MTFCA threads about the paints & primer and primers used on various parts. It appears that there is gray primer where the paint flaked off. So some restoration may have been done when it was last stored 50 years ago.
According to a lengthy thread by Royce Peterson
Ford used two japan black paints. The “First Coat Black...

As I’ve mentioned before, most of what they’re after is simply posting a link on a highly ranked, long-established site like this one.

The search engine algorithms place a lot of value on this.

The best deterrent is for the admins to remove the post. If the post stays there for a long time, even if no one responds, the spammer is getting part...

You might find instructions in the reference library at antiquespeedometer.com.

I did a look over on the Hall-Scott housing I got with these parts. I don't see anything amiss to say the notch plate I was asking about even went with it. So it will remain unknown. Up there with the 3 steel thrust plates welded together that was posted as to why . Only they knew and they aren't around to tell us. Thanks again.

Mark- if you need help send me an e-mail. dmcgears@yahoo.com. Did you get the wheel hub loose from the axle taper? if so, the wheel should slide out. Dan

Thanks Scott
Thanks dbooth

It is really sad to see this. The rear end needs just as much attention as any other part. When my Dad and I were rebuilding them, it was like only 25% of parts were able to be re-used. Just people before doing crap work to get it sold or something.

Hank

Yes they still hold them every year at the Tillamook county fair.

Moxons Motor Engineers were in High Road, Whetstone, London.

H. Pattison & Co built similar Model T & Model A based tractors. You can find a few photos of their tractors on the internet if you search for Pattison Beta and Pattison Super Beta.

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I am about to install a new ring gear on an old flywheel and presume the bevels on the teeth face to the bendix ? Does that sound right?
Thanks fo your thoughts.
Jim

Yup, to the rear of the car.

Herm

Humblej, Thanks, I found it on the Cimorelli site. You are correct about not user friendly. The tool is very over engineered . I may still try to get it to add to the collection, Even though Ill never use it. Thanks ag8ain

Tim

I ran one of the South Dakota Black Hills National tours in a 1919 depot hack with an engine with 0 miles. Not an ideal break-in but I did a lot of oil changes and maintenance on the car each day. That said, the car had stock rear end, was a very heavy car, and passed a lot of broken cars (all of which passed me and most of which encouraged...

Problem solved!!!! Was able to get ahold of mr jay skinner and he’s a gentleman and quite a good time to chat with, it’s amazing to find such kind and helpful people on the forum

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If you are pulling hills all the time the ten tooth is great but if you are flat lands I would run the eleven tooth.

Hi Susan as soon as you do get a tally the contributions could you share that with us on the forum ?

I find them used all over. My particular purpose requires that the un threaded portion be the diameter of the threaded portion so what was posted will not work.

i think I read that is to prevent the front crossmember from cracking because the newer spring mounting is too flexible and it makes a stress point. I found this one on a chassis I bought years ago.

The software used for this forum (and another that I frequent) will post (preview) pictures in the portrait mode by default. Rotating vertical pics twice as stated above will orient vertical pics properly in the preview screen.
For some reason however, the software will orient them correctly if you click on them.
Other forums using this same...

Looks about 100% better then my 21 coupe when I got it. Add a distressed head liner and funky seat covers and go drive it! :lol: By the way, the car in my avatar was that coupe before putting the Express body on it.

If you mean this, Lang's has them;

Just a bump this up to the top, I believe we have until 12 midnight tonight to make a donation. We made ours today.

Happy 244th Birthday Marines.

Thanks Dan. A perfect match.
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Or at least close.

Don’t forget that all Warfords need to be supported at the rear.

Hi Adam,

The cast iron cases were made to accept the forward bell to take up stresses, torque, and frame flex under loads with road conditions. The drive shaft at the u-joint has a square dimension of 13/16” on both T and TT.

The input shaft of the cast iron Warfords are the same 13/16” where as the aluminum cases are 7/8”. I believe they did...

Another note on the TT is all the downward torque that occurs when braking and slowing down with compression. Some serious stresses going on!

I had a clamp screw break in my 14 and it damaged one of the longer style clamps so I put an ad in the classifieds for one along with this picture. Somebody noticed the later mag ring and gave me a reason as to why it would work, just not as exactly intended. I replaced the longer style with the later ones when I put it back together. The main...

Somehow I'd missed that earlier forum posting, but good to see more info on these. I've had a display box of them in by recreated old auto parts store. The are displayed in an antique showcase along with some other lighting stuff. Interesting that the inside lid of the box folds up to look like a dashboard, with the light installed. Glad you have...

These work just fine. I keep a set for blocking fuel tank filler holes for cleaning/sealing fuel tanks, and sealing radiators for mild chemical cleaning (like vinager):

Additionally, this style is particularly suited to fuel tanks as well, if you're worried about it falling in like above plugs could (which I tie off for safety as necessary):...

This discussion has been extremely informative so far, and I have every expectation of learning much more from the upcoming write-up you are working on Hank. Thank you Hank (and all others on this thread as well) for sharing such helpful and beneficial information. I can't help thinking that the discussion that has taken place thus far is...

By no means hijacking this post, but I've just listed in the classifieds 9 articles on how to build one, some vintage and others newer. Great source of information in one place. Start building one now for that special surprise at Christmas

Michael

excellent of you to follow up with that review!

I was fortunate enough to be part of a team that did the 'quick T Build', at a motor show of historic vehicles, in the mid 1970's. We assembled, then disassembled ready for the next time, and did it every hour on the hour while the three day show was open,

Prior to, and as publicity for the show, we performed the assembly for television on a...

You can cheat a little length in the stud by winding the lower nut on just far enough to get the split pin in. Then back the plate off until it binds on the nut. This often means two or the thread coils are left above the plate.

Allan from down under.

What instructions are you looking for, install setup? There has been a lot posted on the web, try mtfca; AC brakes ( when I googled mtfca; AC breaks I actually got more hits, go figure! ;) )

Wow perfect! That's what I want to do!

Michael D, I imagine the first photo is of the 1912 transmission, the second is likely the unknown 1926 transmission he mentions. But good to point it out for the benefit of less knowledgeable readers.

Always happy to see your posts! Did I see your name on the Lang's calendar list again?

Tim,
I wonder if the complete engine unit that you have is the Heavy Duty HIMICO like the one in the later literature that I posted?
The Heavy Duty type as shown should have 2 inch journals for the connecting rods and main bearings and a gear driven oil pump. It also does not have magnets on the flywheel or a field coil, so it requires a...

Dan & John,

Thank you for the memories and the image of Larry.

In time- this thread will be forgotten and be referenced in a future keyword search now and again.

For anyone reading this - grab a smart phone with a decent video camera - sit down with a mentor or friend and let it just run ....

Save the Present for the Future.

Memories on video...

Can't get the photo to load, will try again later, maybe my internet service will be better.

Very interesting and educational topic, I followed along and had no idea until the mystery was solved.

Thnx everyone for the comments and Jeff for finally posting Mystery Solved...

Jan-
I'm sorry to hear about the passing of your Dad. I can remember when he used to fly in and out your place just outside of Eatonville. We'd be working and would hear him buzzing around and enjoying the sky. I hope you can post on the classifieds. Prices and pictures are a tremendous help. Also in February is the Early Bird swap meet in...

Make sure the valve ores are tight.

Use the metal caps that have a small rubber seal inside them, not the cheap plastic ones.

At her request, I visited Leon Parker's wife Barbara yesterday in Benton Kentucky.
We looked over Leon's stash of Model T and A parts and I bought all the ignition coils he had and one 1915 coilbox.
She also has many copies of Leon's plans for re-wooding a Model T body and they are for sale.
There are still many other Model T and A parts for sale...

Planning permission was finally passed June 5 this year

OIL, -- you will get many opinions :-)

Yes, most modern oils are better than those back in the day. Also we do not as high viscosity (thickness) as was needed back in the day due to technology improvements.

I run a 'non EP additive' 140 weight oil in my TT with a Ruckstell.
It is most important to use 'non EP' as the EP additive sits there...

Here are the cars from the St. Louis club before the parade started. We knew immediately that it was a military parade because we had to hurry up and wait.

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Thanks for all of your replies. Interesting stuff.

A rebuilt Stromberg OF runs $600 and up. A new 8N carburetor is $30 and runs strong on an 8N. So my last question is,

would an 8N carburetor run as well or better than a Stromberg OF on a Model T?