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When you reuse a copper gasket, are there any special steps? I'm talking about the common copper sandwiched gasket that Lang's sells. bobt

I had that problem for a different reason.

Most engines will backfire with the mixture leaned too much.

It used to seem to be a bigger problem with radial aircraft engines.

My first Model T was missing the carburetor air intake funnel.

I did not think it was important while driving on clean black top roads and I did not replace it.

The...

There surely is more than one DAVID HOWELL in the U.S., so this information is about as useful as finding a needle in a haystack. If my memory serves me correctly, there was a DAVID HOWELL associated with HOWELL'S SHEET METAL. The business started out in Houston, TX in the late 1960's, before moving to Beaumont, TX. where it is located, now. I...

I made a support tube to keep the axle from bending while pressing using a 2x2 square tube fitted with thumb screws so the axle would be supported from bending by the tube before any bending could occur. I ground smooth the ends of the screws so they wouldn’t scar the shaft, and welded a nut at the bottom to protect the threads. Screwed the shaft...

Great find, Brent ! Appears to have been a firewall mount - first one I've seen of that type.

Vernon: Looks correct. The 'gap' on my '26 is slightly less than 1/2 at the pillars and 7/16 at the center, you're good to go!

It is a 1906 to early 1909. I don't know how the serial numbers went for the NRS cars and knowing how Henry did things they could of used
the last they had of the NRS car plates on the early 1909 T's

I seem to remember a earlier discussion about the holes. It brought up the point of cooling. One theory was if both holes are open, then the cooler water coming into the inlet on the side of the block, tends to go into the first hole as the path of least resistance. Then takes a shorter path back to the radiator. That in effect starves the hottest...

A 1912 drag link will have forged ends. One end is brazed and riveted in place , the other is on a coarse thread and has a locknut so you can adjust the length/angle at which it sets. Snyders used too sell an excellent reproduction, but I think someone reported them as no longer available.

Allan from down under.

I installed AC brakes (well repro). I also moved my handbrake back a bit. I really wanted to use cables, but I also wanted straighter less angled pull on the AC brakes and original brakes. So I moved the original brake levers out by a few inches by welding in some round bar to the handbrake. Then I made a crank for the AC brakes on a pivot so they...

In one of the threads that Shannon posted, the Patterson version of the transmission drive speedometer had various combinations of gearing to suit different Ford configurations as noted here:

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In the same thread, the original Patterson documentation shows what speedometer gears match up to which Ford tires and...

Check with Langs or KimDobbins. If you haven't, put an ad in the classifieds.

I am mounting mine on the old starter switch mount and the momentary contact switch will be on the firewall.

Re-wiring the car also. The harness, coil box, and coils appear to be unmolested to me.
Worn brittle and bare wires everywhere.
Intermittent no start, but when it decides to start runs smoothly.

Thank you sir !!

Hi Jason,
Good to hear you got what you needed. Please ask Susanne if it's OK to post that contact info I'm sure here will be people that need parts in the
future or at least let us know which venders have access to them.
Craig.

Thank you, Dan and Alan

For Sale
One owner, ran when parked. Clean, may run but needs some engine work. Excellent opportunity for a rare investment with an older restoration. Fresh from 25 year storage with no rust. Many new parts with rebuilt engine that uses no oil, always driven slowly. I just have no time to complete. Easy restoration with good top, just needs...

You got me beat!

thanks, everyone. in my defense I have been driving this car since 2010, I bought the rear end and driveshaft form someone who was supposed to be a professional restorer, he said everything was good. when it broke down, and got it home, of Corse I did the normal trouble shooting. I removed the inspection cover and found nothing strange that you...

Ford Service Manual reprint is available from MTFCA Museum:

It's a reprint and while information is good, pictures are not as crisp as in the original. Vendors offer it for sale as well

Cimorelli has pdf downloads of many ford publications, but not the Service Manual

Minnesota 1912-13-14 license plate 22736 was registered in 1912 to a Hupmobile owned by C.F. Dahl of Essig, Minnesota.

The registration was published in the June 10, 1912 edition of Finance and Commerce of the Twin Cities newspaper.

Essig is approximately half-way between Sleepy Eye and New Ulm. (If you are a fan of the the Little House the...

Absolutely the one best performance improvement product available. The only drawback is you have to create your own Ford script if you want to fool anyone. i used JBweld and an exacto knife to add the script and made in Canada to mine.

Allan from down under.

I haven't seen that idea before, but it should allow lowering the car by dearching of the spring. If you did that with a standard perch the suspension geometry would screwed up.

Our's arrived on Saturday the 17th

Jerry I believe the hub plates are both 6 inch

Okay. If I recall, the NRS plates are 5 .

Steering play is almost always a cumulative thing. Add up the wear in the tie rod ends, the draglink ends, the lower steering shaft bushing, the gearbox/column tube joint, and the gears and suddenly, a lot of small wear items become excessive steering play.

Allan has the simplest repair idea that works. I have a 24 Coupe that has the zinc/aluminum sill plates and using the method that Allan spoke about is the best way for cracks in this application. It will last as long you own and drive your car and beyond.

The a-oogha sound is still associated with Model Ts by many, as is the rumble seat. As far as I know, no T was ever factory equipped with either. The electric Klaxon was probably not compatible with pre-1919 Ts with magneto only AC power.

Bump start

Then too, you can sometimes find them at a farm show, as a lot of old tractors used magnetos.

I got this one for $100.

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Thank you for the \help. I will change the poistions of the screws.

I recommend filling oil filter completely, disconnect oil lines , outputs on pump, and fill with an oil can and turn engine by starter. Works everytime.

Your 1909 round tank with riveted brackets likely hard to replicate. Don't know if this builder of the later round tanks and oval tanks could help.

The inlet and outlet maybe could be used as the later types used, but may not be exact as the original. You could call the builder and ask, he may help if you supply the original tank as pattern....

As posted, use bolts, castle nuts and cotter nut to bolt end. The bolts pass into the cap but will thread into the drag link. The nut and cotter keeps bolts in place.

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(Anti-rattle spring is accessory)

The hotel rates usually stay pretty reasonable.

In a stock T ignition system, running on mag, depending on the node, the coil is being fired with either a positive OR negative charge. AC current is in play. Running on Battery, it depends on how the coil is wired internally. I am told ford & kw coils are wired differently.
If you really cared, you could match your power & coil for optimum spark...

We make them at Classtique Upholstery. You can view our work, installation videos, and more at www.classtiqueupholstery.com

Mike Francis
Classtique Upholstery
651-484-9022

An excessively lean mixture can be hard on exhaust valves and will lower power output and cause issues like lean backfire and an increased tendency to overheat. Ford did encourage operators to lean out the mixture, consistent with good performance, once the engine was warmed up, for best economy and reduced carbon deposition. That said, going to...

Norman and all, you can check my response on the other post topic of positive and negative grounded electrical.

These are Dan's parts on my engine with a full length B crank. Great parts and a fine guy to work with.

Hi Tom,
I tried PMing you but there is something going on the link.
Craig.

See you tomorrow at the show!!
:)

Just thought I would put this link up in case anyone wants to see how she looks now I have the engine in. I struggle to find time to edit videos what with my job and trying to teach my boy maths, so not sure when I will finally put up the next proper video about the T.

Most of the video is a bit boring with me yakking on about projects, so skip...

Any videos out there from this years tour? Photos?

Fifty-fifty, unless you are touring the Yukon Territory in January.

Eric, go to the post of March 15, LED headlight bulbs, finally some decent ones.
LEDs send light in one direction only, so they need their own lens to direct their light. Forget the bulbs wit multiple leds sending light in all directions trying to use the original T reflector.

Allan from down under.

There is nothing wrong with Ken's approach to get things as neat and straight as possible before doing a rebuild. However, one must realise that assembling 12 bits of hickory wood from likely different planks/trees is not a precise science. The timber will give some, it will accommodate different pressures, it will compress at different rates, it...

This one that Lang’s sell will fit but you may have to file or grind one side to fit over your door hinge.

There may be others out there.

Believe it or not, I’ve used wine bottle corks and coat them.

To Steve & team thanks for making this happen, had a great time, sold some stuff, got sunburned, etc.
Only complaint is that when I arrived home the wife noticed that I had a Model T frame hanging over the PU tailgate.....Doh!
Chris B

Thanks Tom!
This just reinforces my previous warning well over a year ago here on the forum about the potential problems and even damage that this wonderful AI that all too many people are embracing can, and will do. We aint seen the last of it yet, and nothing near what harm it can be used for.

When you are jacking the rear of the car, I think a more accurate description of the two different handles might be short and shorter. I'm almost past using the jack at the rear. I had a flat on our last Annual Run, and gladly let others do the job.

Allan from down under.

My paycheck once visited Tribes Hill, New York due to an error in the zip code. The early automobilists and aviators were doers, not complainers.

I checked the Scat website last weekend and they show T stroker cranks in stock.

I ordered one on 5/12 and it's arriving tomorrow. I'll probably regret not buying two but they are not cheap.

Tom

Last night, I 'googled' pin striping in my area . I came up with a company here in San Antonio whose artist does striping with paint, not vinyl tape, and air brush and has been doing it since 1994. He trained under a well known car stripper on the west coast. For $150.00, he will come to my location and stripe my car, avoiding me from having to...

As noted, the Jeep ones are reasonably priced and look pretty 'era'. I recently bought one of the cheap version repro T on bay-buy it now- it is fine but I needed to rework the 'snap action' to hold the can tight enough.

As to a whacky price? It just takes two....lol...been there done that.

I had looked for something '15 specific for...

I will try washing soda, I used sodium bicarbonate used to lower the pH in swimming pools and it eats at brass.
One trick I used was to take a piece of plastic pipe and drill a lot of 1/4 to 3/8's holes in it. Then put your rebar inside it with the wire you are going to connect to the positive terminal of your battery charger coming out the top....

Many people have actually backed up hills to keep the gas flowing. I don't recommend it unless it is a private driveway. These days you would probably be rear ended if you tried it.
Norm

Thanks Kevin!

Moved from the support forum

The perfect anniversary gift....

if you would like to spend more time in the garage...

so it's a win-win situation....

The revised Print indicates 1909 to 1921, but that print is marked obsolete Oct 10, 1920 so was gone from tool kit for the 1921 model year.

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A thinned down wrench to hold the nut next to the starter switch mounting plate means you can hold that nut in place when wrenching on the cable retaining nut. That way you will not be turning the stud bolt in the switch.

The same applies to starter and generator terminals.

Allan from down under.

Also depends on whether or not there is any added restriction in the fuel routing, either by design (like an added fuel filter?) or by material failure (kink in the tubing, Shellac build up due to old gasoline, rust flakes, or any of a hundred other things?).
On level roads, any standard model T should be able to run the gasoline tank down to less...

Can anyone tell me if the coach work was metal over wood or just painted wood? Appreciate any help.

Many years ago, the prevailing wisdom (wrong!) was that Ford factory started using steel firewalls much earlier on many cars. This was due to so many late 1910s and early 1920s surviving Ts had steel firewalls. I even saw a 1915/'16 with a steel firewall. They must have had fun cutting the drain channel off the top of the firewall to get the brass...

I should also mention there is a gun show going on at the same time in a couple buildings on the grounds, and last year there was a rock and gem show as well.

Put a ball of modeling clay on top of each piston then put the head on and crank it over and remove the head and see how much you squish the clay. You can buy the clay at the dollar ($1.35) store. bobt

A few more photos from Luray. I found some good stuff once I started poking through boxes of stuff. A seriously good swap meet for Model T and Model A.

If you've never taken an old car to OCF, do it. You'll be glad you did.

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James Golden,
I just sent you and email.
Kind Regards,

Rick Rice

Yes I will need to find a left side lamp as a spare. My Dad used to refer to light bulbs as lamps and buying this lamp (at a very attractive price) made me think of him.

Please reask your question on the general forum. This section is for getting help with the page it self.

Adjustment screw at 12 o'clock position on the bucket is correct through at least the 1917 model year.

All of our 21 wheels have the straight up outer edge on the felloes. i have never seen that on a 23 rim here. where Kelsey in Canada seem to have been the major/only supplier.
Interestingly, 21 Hayes wire wheels have an outer edge of the felloe rolled to the outside, making the relief for the lug foot even more interesting.

Allan from down under.

Tom,

Thanks for the information. The 27 cowl I am swapping onto the 26 body has the 4th hole and I was wondering what it was for. See the black cowl pictured here as compared the the grey cowl I removed.
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Can I use new bolts on the early one? I plan on sourcing am early one, but I need a plan b.

When you say new bolts I don't know what you mean other than totally modern U bolts which first won't fit right and second look horrible. Try Chaffins or Langs they often have good used early Engine Mounts a.k.a. Front Spring Clamps and maybe even an...

That's what it's all about Mitch, ain't it?
Good on ya!

Absolutely! The Model T brings smiles to everyone's faces :)

Wayne, I agree. The other photo I have shows the top sockets much more clearly and they are definitely oval. Other than such clues I have no idea of it's serial number or build date. Nothing about it exists in family records except the two photos.

Thanks Morgan, I’ll check them out.

Andy

He's on his way home right now. Likely won't get in til around 7 PM Eastern time.

I’ll be there in a few mins!

Darin

I am an archaeologist be trade and was doing some testing on a 1920s homestead on Joint base Elenforf-Richardson up here in Alaska. One of my techs found the end of a steel rod poking straight up beside a buried log cabin wall. I took one look at the inch or two sticking out of the ground and said “that’s a model T drive shaft,” and it was. Not...

Thank you. I have the copper, and a Tig guy.

Thanks I thought that is what it does. Now tag it so daughter will know for the auction!

I have no fear of death. I'm married. :lol:

Amen. There are things worse than death.

The soup can sleeve sounds like it may work. I bend a tiny hook on the end of a piece of welding rod for a tool to pull out the bearing.

Some of the modern fuels will get thick like varnish if they set for a long time. This can clog the fuel line. Try disconnecting it at both ends and run a wire up and down through it and then blow out with compressed air. This can help, Another common problem is condensation in the gas tank during humid weather. This will put water in the fuel...

Thank you much, that is the first ad for the Ford type I have seen

Someone mentioned the Watts clutch pin modification. I measured a stock T plate to pin length & it was 1.065 & the Watts modified plate to
pin is .985 in length.
Craig.