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To go along with the wiring diagrams already posted, here's one that will be very familiar to those who have been here for several years.

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The switch shown here has two controls. One, operated with the key, turns the ignition on and off. The other is a handle with various positions for the lights....

I run a Bosch 600 on my Tudor. It is converted to use a Pertronix Ignitor as described at the Tulsa website. I measured the advance curve for it, but I'm not sure which advance mechanism it was. I found it was very similar to a Volkswagen 009. Normally you want around 30 degrees at speed and 0 for starting, so I retard it to start and then advance...

Nice! I have been using Gene's mold and pouring block and caps vertical instead of horizontal.

Here you go Ben.

I have seen that video, though simplified, it's still a very good visual of what's going on.

I recently resurrected the Interactive Model T Transmission Simulator so you can have a play with that if you wish...

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Dan, I had the same thing happening to me and it did coincide with the new ID/verify protocol. Even doing a Google/Bing search for topics the images would come up when just looking for images, but once you clicked to go to the original thread (old Forum primarily, not the new Forum) everything was there except for the pictures/images. Just the...

Going off the information posted here;

The mystery deepens....

The prior owner told me the car hadn't ran since 1935. I took that to mean it was original condition from that period. He further stated they were never able to get it started, and told me they figured it was a bad mag.
They had initiated a restoration in '68, but stopped when the dad went blind.
What I found interesting...

Reusing a head gasket is a $50. decision. So far I have gone with a new head gasket with the model t. I have successfully reused head gaskets in the 60's when I had even less money than I do.

Art Mirtes

With the tube in the tyre, levering both sides on at the same time, the levers have no chance of pinching the tube, Right at the end, one side may pop on first. Then you just need to be careful with the last little bit of the second side.
Be aware that flaps and liners are two entirely different things, A flap is meant to be used in split rims or...

Pretty sure the cable housing is anchored at both ends, at the foot feed and locked in the copper piece on the throttle rod. Once installed, the length of the cable housing can't really change between the two parts so just lets the cable move without moving the cable housing. For using the hand throttle, the rod slides in the copper piece. When...

Both red and yellow brass are alloys of the same metals (copper & zinc). But what sets them apart is the quantity of those metals. For example, red metal comprises 80-85% copper and 5% zinc. Conversely, yellow brass includes 60-70% copper and 30-40% zinc.
Ron Patterson

Wrapped the two front lights together. Wrapped the two red and two black turn signals together.
Grommet is in place.
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Wiring harness is wrapped, not just in the plastic tube that comes with it. The extra long black wire is the additional ground.
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My first thought was to solder the wires together inside the cowl & dash...

Could it be used to insert the electrodes on the sides of Frankenstein’s neck? Just spitballing here.
If it was bigger it seems it could be used to remove a crank pulley.

'Fire_chief » Thu Mar 27, 2025 7:38 pm
I live in CT, and I'm going to homecoming. If that helps.
Charlie'

Thank you Charlie. I do not want to impose and inconvenience you because the long block is about 85 miles away from Orange. Thank you for your offer. I'll check in with Fastenal.

I really don’t think of it as stationary but concur with the boat power plant suggestion. Never seen intake and exhaust manifolds position like that but carburetor location suggests operator isn’t concerned with hills. :lol:
Sure would be loud tho’

I believe Herm used Glyptal.
I prefer the better? penetration into the fabric that comes from super glue.

Wingnut hit the nail on the head
I have some for sale

thank you all.
Pulled the carburetor an found a burr on the face of the thread inlet.
Ran a tap in and cleaned up the threads.
Fitting went in perfectly.

I enjoy seeing the N/R/S cars in vintage photos as I so seldom get to see them in real life.

The R/S Ford appears to have a 1911 Illinois license plate. How long do you suppose the pre-T cars were on the road before they were considered obsolete?

If you look at the daily production totals / serial numbers in the book Ford, The Car That Changed The World by Bruce McCalley commonly called The Encyclopedia it has the data, sorta.
Once you get past the earliest years (before 1913) the daily production is recorded well.
You will have to compare the dates to a calendar to tell what day of the...

Harold Hanson, I seem to remember Ken mentioning that name. I know Ken made a big deal about selecting the leather hide material for the upholstery. Whoever actually did the upholstery did a first-class job, one of the best jobs I have seen in a restoration.

2022 tour was Fond du Lac, 2023 tour was Baraboo. Does that help narrow it down?

Roger, I send you a message.

By 1917 I believe the front axle beam design was largely set. The only discernible differences were the position of the T 202 part number and the forging mark for the different suppliers, neither of which can reliably used to date the axle. Just find the best one you can and work on that.
The bits and pieces to go with it do vary. 1917 should have...

You might ned to check the number of strands before twisting it. ;)

Allan from down under.

I wouldn't go any bigger on the stem size than you have to, to clean it up !

Besides a possible wiring issue the headlights, there could be an issue with the switch itself.
But the first thing to do is make sure its not a wiring issue. DO NOT take the switch apart until you have confirmed that the wiring is OKAY

You didn't mention if the tail light worked when the switch handle was on DIM.
There are two different style...

All the signs for prewar faced north and south. Entering from the west I walked right past them. Next time I'll know where to go. I hope next year I'll be up for more than one day. :D

Our October 26, 1926 ('27) T has blocks between the running boards and the support brackets but not between the running boards and the fenders. If it is supposed to have them there, i don't know anything about it.

My '27 is the same.

Ford contracted with many auto body builders, and I'm sure there were differences in the same finished specific body. Same with the '26-'27 Runabout body.

Thanks Jay that is exactly what I'm looking for.
Manny

Herndon, VA

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Model R or S, 1907 or 1908. Model R I think .

Four of us from the Tin Lizzies of Albuquerque made it to Duncan. We had four spaces in building C that turned out to be well-located as it was closer to the center of the fairground buildings. We didn't know what to expect on this, the first year of the Pre-war section at Duncan but we were pleasantly surprised that the Stephens County...

Lex

Good explanation of the issue, and a try to make a gasket (yikes, expensive).

IMO, would try again with a brand new copper gasket, as the one you show is now compromised by squish from use.

And, use copper gasket spray as recommended by Kevin Prus, plus add anti-seize to the bolt theads, copy of instructions below:

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Jim, a super nice looking car. You and I are about the same age (I may have a year or two on you). I have my Grandfather's 27 coupe (on my Dad's side of the family). It looks like you painted your coupe, all black instead of a colored body. I did the same thing on my 27 coupe; not that I didn't know any different, but when my Dad and I pulled it...

Early 1919, the first 2 issues of the 1919 Service Bulletins expound a great deal about spurious and inferior parts. The first one that comes to mind for me is that was when they started stamping the Ford script onto the front cross member (early to mid-1919).

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From the 1919 Service Bulletin.

I wish I could afford it.
Thank you for the information.

John we called those “ Monday morning screwdrivers”.

HI Allan,
Thanks again. I will order a new tube with brass valve stem.
Regards
Bernd

Matt , I don’t know which of your cars you are going camping in, but that type of auxiliary spring won’t work with a 1926-27 large drum rear axle. I at one time had a 1926 roadster pickup that had a 1925 small drum rear axle in it and a similar, but a little different , auxiliary springs. They worked ok but I ended up going to rear wheel brakes...

Thank you for the idea. Yes, my issue was when replacing the power cord, it seemed like a good idea to use the ground wire. Hooking the ground wire to the frame, caused a short when testing the commentator, I have removed the ground and now the test is successful.

Yes, they really work.

Years ago, you couldn't give them away.

Today, there is some demand.

In my opinion, $200 would be a reasonable price for a matched set of four of the style shown in your photo.

The Model T transmission simulator on modeltcentral.com no longer works.
I have re-engineered it on my own website so it works again :)

Has some good stuff

This is one article. It used to have a really good interactive animation of the transmission gears

some of it below

Low Speed
When the driver wishes to move off (forwards),...

It's not a Model T, but it looks a bit like the 1909 Humber 8HP which was used in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang , although the Humber used in the movie did not have a windscreen.

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Well,
since I started this, I figured I would show the progress. A short trip to the bead blasting cabinet and a quick shot of etching primer left me to find the appropriate color.
I was searching thru color chips trying to determine the color from what remained on the case. I narrowed it down to 3-4 and then realized they were all fairly close...

I had spoke to Geoff several times on the phone, and met Emma about 3 years ago at the New London New Brighton run. Geoff had bought a Ford AC? in Spearfish and needed transportation to England. I stored it until I loaded a container for England. Gods speed.

Here’s John Regan’s decal.
I copied my decals after John’s.

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Here’s the one on Bill Brommer’s

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Between the three (Craig’s, John’s, and Bill’s)
There are three different types of Fonts.

The logo that Bill copied from is the one found on the sales literature for 1911. He did his in all gold/yellow as where John...

I measured it right at the rear of the roadster body subframe. I think the bed side is straight, just the mount flares out inside the fender. The fender mounts to that flare on the bed side and it is parallel to the subframe. I will take another look at it.

I have a KC Warford in my 1917 shooting brake. I made my support to align with the back of the transmission so the weight of the transmission and the torque tube were better supported. That got around the running board interference somewhat. However, I did have to cut the tie rod between the running board brackets and terminate the inside ends on...

The suspension dampers on the speedster loaded with kids is just like those on my wide body roadster and Henrietta. Ours are English made units, often found as accessories on Duncan and Fraser built cars here in South Australia. There is a similar set under the two ladies perched on the car hood, but thees may be single arm units. They do work...

In my experience, use any measurements as a guide only. For instance, they will tell you if the front fender iron is bent back or forth. When you straighten it, the hole measurement should fall into line. If the inner skirt does not line up with the frame rail, the bracket may have to be lifted/dropped.Other holes can then be custom drilled to...

Still looking......

I just realized after paying attention to the subject, that it was about hauling trailers, not T towable trailers. Oops.

Zinc diecast.

Taking apart the speedster to replace rotten wood. Full frame teardown to repaint. Took apart the diff. after water poured out when I went to top it off. Cowel off for rust repair and frame/suspension work. Valve job on the engine. Need to get it ready for July car show.

11-2.jpg 11-9.jpg 11-10.jpg This 1911 was for sale on ebay years ago

Here is the wheel reassembled with the shims in place. They made it too tight to drive the spokes all the way down, so it's off to my mate's workshop to use his power press
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Allan from down under

Speedsters are a lot of fun.

Your model appears to include Saturdays and Sundays as 'full' production days, which is incorrect. The book 'Ford Methods and Ford Shops' indicates Highland Park assembly workers worked two 8hr shifts M-F and 4 hrs on weekends, 44 hr per week each shift. And of course, there were a few holidays each year as well when no cars were assembled. And...

It's a Sandbo starter - here's the brochure !

I've got one. They were not the best quality!

They (generators) have gotten ridiculously expensive to rebuild.
I’m not and never have been a fan of modern accessories for a T.
If you need all the new stuff, buy a Pinto.

Well said. Good thing I'm retired. I've never worked so hard :)
Brent, your son , Chris, is doing a great job on rebuilding these. I may soon need to just supply parts. I...

Thank you! That is REALLY AWESOME!!

Thank you :D Yes, it's great to be able to play around with this vintage piece of programming!!

I wonder if I can somehow find a brass trim ring that fits this base? It is threaded but probably the trim ring is long gone.

The firing order on a T does as I understand causes a flow issue that would be rectified with a 1423 or 1324 configuration. Reversing the ports
has been tried with some success as I understand. Now that cams are being manufactured again maybe someone will bump the program & make
some. Kirk Wright built a 6 cylinder out of T engines & somewhere...

I made use of a T wheel hub flange plate as a face plate for the lathe years ago, still using it, centre the ball cap at the machined surface near the ball cap flange. Screenshot (54).png

Snyders only wants a drawing. Just annotate that it is to be used exactly if you have the original seat spring or do what they ask if you have no pattern. 1” inside the outline of the seat frame.

I have done both. One for an Amish seat i bought and one for my 1912 Torpedo Roadster i had the old rusty seat spring for a pattern.

They do a great...

Tom
Exactly.
Ron Patterson

If you are talking about a KW logo wood cased after market coil the answer is Yes.
The only limitation with any early 1914 and later Williams designed coils for cars with metal coilboxes is that you CANNOT put a metal top coil in a 1926/27 coilbox mounted on top of the engine. The tabs in the 1926/27 coilbox lid will not work with the metal top...

Anyone know this person? Sent me a email about something I am looking for. Thanks Dan

Your vulnerable to scammers because you posted a picture of you email address. Forum members don't need it, they can email you via the Forum. PM's (Private Message) aren't always good because the recipient needs to logged on and see the red alert next to...

Ford literature for 1927 (Available on Cimorelli.com) states that the coupe and all closed cars for that year were offered 'in three pleasing colors, Grey, Maroon, and Green'. That inverted '27 coupe shown above was gray. And as Norman states, the exact color match will be a challenge. jb

The people who run the place and the students who go there also deserve a lot of credit for the success of the program. jb

Austin, the strawberry fit with the punch in your second hub expanding the hub may well have been a blessing in disguise. If a strawberry fit is required to make a cup firm in the hub, the hub is already worn/stressed. You have the best solution now.
For others, when I worked on the first set of wheels for my roadster buckboard way back in the...

Thanks for the information Dan, John and Jim.

Should be up on line Thursday, Bob

Accessory, as noted.

Many types were made, as Ford didn't put a steering column support on the steel firewall Ts until about March 1923.

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So Ts with metal dashes prior were lacking such clamps or supports.

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Witten, South Dakota along Main Street which runs North-South.

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