What year is this body?

[fireheadman]

This is my model-T, its been in the family since the 70's.
My grandfather was the President of the Shreveport, LA "Antique Car Club" and this was his primary vehicle for a while.
It ran in the Holiday in Dixie Parade and some other parades for the local Shriners club too.

I have inherited it and looking to getting it running.
However I have slowly start realizing that he changed out parts (engine/trans) from a 1920' T.
I've always known this to be a 1911 Pie Wagon, but would love to know truely what I have.... definitely would make getting parts easier for me.

[Allan]

Welcome Ben. That is a lovely old car. I like the commercial vehicles. They are so much more interesting.
Pie waggon is a good description for your car. It is not a genuine Ford delivery vehicle, but there were many variations offered by multiple companies over the years, and custom one off builds for individual needs. Yours is one of the nicer looking ones.
When determining what is the "correct" part for any vehicle, you need a date to start from. Looking at your photo the car has black and brass headlamps and side lamps. These generally were confined to 1913-1914 year cars. The fenders, running boards, splash aprons etc all support this. A photo of the rear axle assembly would help to further tie in these dates.
It appears to have demountable wheels, a practical upgrade from the start of the 20's
Others will spot extra items, or disagree with my observations. Either way, drive and enjoy it.

Allan from down under.

[Jerry VanOoteghem]

Welcome Ben! What a nice looking Pie Wagon! Don't be too concerned about the later parts. Having a starter and generator may have been a great help for your grandfather in his later years, when cranking doesn't come as easy. There are many Model T's that have been coverted to "starter cars" for that very reason. Also, 1911 engines and drivelines are not very cheap, or even easy to locate. If you plan to do a lot of driving, (and I hope you do), using a later engine, that is more plentiful and less valuable, is good insurance against expensive breakdowns, should they occur. Many folks run later engines/drivelines while keeping their earlier engines safely tucked away in the garage.

The body is an aftermarket type, (i.e. not sold by Ford), that may have been available over many years and suitable to fit any number of model years chassis. If this is an original example of an aftermarket body, (versus reproduced), then it is among the very few that have survived. Either way, it's a particularly attractive example.

In short, you have a very nice Model T!

[fireheadman]

Welcome Ben. That is a lovely old car. I like the commercial vehicles. They are so much more interesting.
Pie waggon is a good description for your car. It is not a genuine Ford delivery vehicle, but there were many variations offered by multiple companies over the years, and custom one off builds for individual needs. Yours is one of the nicer looking ones.
When determining what is the "correct" part for any vehicle, you need a date to start from. Looking at your photo the car has black and brass headlamps and side lamps. These generally were confined to 1913-1914 year cars. The fenders, running boards, splash aprons etc all support this. A photo of the rear axle assembly would help to further tie in these dates.
It appears to have demountable wheels, a practical upgrade from the start of the 20's
Others will spot extra items, or disagree with my observations. Either way, drive and enjoy it.

Allan from down under.

I'm starting a digital journal of photos as I start cleaning her up and making her roadworthy again, some of which I will post on this forum. From what I do know the engine and trans is indeed from a 1920's T to offer the starter/generator and wider pedals. The rear axle appears the be original (8" drums). I've also joined my local Model-T Chapter (Mile High Pedal Pushers) to gain more knowledge and get to know the local community - very nice group of guys/gals! The multi-year collage of parts is something that has slowed me down a bit (not a bad thing) in regard to replacing and purchasing parts. I'm hoping next week she might be running and then I will start on safety items first... brakes being the first item, then moving on the lights/lighting/markers and then seat upgrades. Knowing she isn't an all original from a single year or numbers matching does not really discourage me in anyway. Looking forward to getting to know more of you guys/gals on here also to help me get through some of the modifications (if any) and update parts.

Welcome Ben! What a nice looking Pie Wagon! Don't be too concerned about the later parts. Having a starter and generator may have been a great help for your grandfather in his later years, when cranking doesn't come as easy. There are many Model T's that have been coverted to "starter cars" for that very reason. Also, 1911 engines and drivelines are not very cheap, or even easy to locate. If you plan to do a lot of driving, (and I hope you do), using a later engine, that is more plentiful and less valuable, is good insurance against expensive breakdowns, should they occur. Many folks run later engines/drivelines while keeping their earlier engines safely tucked away in the garage.

The body is an aftermarket type, (i.e. not sold by Ford), that may have been available over many years and suitable to fit any number of model years chassis. If this is an original example of an aftermarket body, (versus reproduced), then it is among the very few that have survived. Either way, it's a particularly attractive example.

In short, you have a very nice Model T!

As for the body... just the rear-right fender has a bend in it from my brother that stepped on it about 40 years ago. It will most likely stay that way as a reminder for family purposes/memories. My grandfather had a cow that day when he came outside and saw it all happen! Just a good memory to laugh at now. The panel/body is all thick gauge steel with a couple coats of lacquer paint and not a single dent/crease in it anywhere. All the screws are flat drive and the nuts and bolts are square along with some old style nails to hold up hats on the inside. The interior frame is all solid woods (thick). I've got a lot to learn about this vehicle!

Hardest part is what I put down for the "year" for insurance... The title has 1911 on it, personally it is not a bother to me but does have my curiousity up! Oh, I did look up the vin on the engine and that references to a 1925:
12702490
1925 - November (12621502 - 12823126)

[DHort]

Go ahead and title it as an '11. People that know, will know. Just be honest that it has a 1925 engine and 99% of us will not care. Have a lot of fun with it as well. Congratulations.

[Jerry VanOoteghem]

Hardest part is what I put down for the "year" for insurance... The title has 1911 on it...

Put down the year it's titled as. Don't muddy the waters. So, it's a 1911 with a 1925 engine. As I stated earlier, it happens all the time. Curious however, if the title references the same 1925 VIN...

[fireheadman]

That it does (the title)… I had to get the sheriff’s office out here to do the vin verification and horseless carriage paperwork documented. They sent out a volunteer from the sheriffs department and they were more interested that it didn’t have doors or airbags…etc. They recorded the engine number as that was the only descriptive number to use. However the dmv most likely doesn’t know what to do with that number specifically and is just using the data from the title I have which states 1911. I’m ok in using that date since it’s all I’ve known of since I was a kid. Guess it just adds to the storyline.