Model T Webinar #2 - Coil Testing/Tuning

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Model T Webinar #2 - Coil Testing/Tuning

Post by MKossor » Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:13 pm

Proposed Coil Testing/Tuning Webinar in the future if there is sufficient interest to warrant preparation and hosting.


Proposed Topics
  1. Coil Testing
    1. Capacitor Value/Leakage - When to replace capacitor
    2. Coil Firing Time/Consistency - When to adjust points
  1. Coil Point Inspection/Refurbishing - When to replace points
  2. New Coil Point Preparation/Replacement
  3. Proper Coil Point Geometry
  4. Coil Adjustment
    1. Double Sparking, Arcing
    2. Adjusting Firing Time
    3. Adjusting Firing Consistency
Unlike instructional videos, Webinars permit Interactive Q&A, opportunity to discuss lessons learned, best practices and share results.

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Re: Coil Testing/Tuning Webinar

Post by Jeff5015 » Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:21 pm

Take me to school, Mike.
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Post by Rayoung » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:17 pm

I would definitely be interested in this.

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Post by Dan B » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:15 pm

Always interested in learning something new.
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Post by KWTownsend » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:28 pm

Sure! Always interested in learning a new way to learn!

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Post by KirkieP » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:39 pm

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Post by modeltbarn » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:47 pm

I'll be there!


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Post by troutjohn » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:28 pm

I’m interested.

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Post by Rich Huggins » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:43 pm

That's funny i'am working on my coils right now. Happy Oh that's my car name was running fine until l i painted the dash, got over spray every were! cleaned every thing down look's good again. Started Happy up, runs fine off idle started to back fire! started back fireing popping out carb dam i messed up. Well i did not put the switch back in the dash yet i knew what it was the same thing happen when it rained so i look at the coils covered with paint and over spray i covered it with a towel bummer started it again turned off the lights in the garage look like a lighten storm all over the coin boxes called it a night lol next day cleaned every thing! The black paint on top of boxes took a hit checked amps sounded real good at 2 amps real good sounding spark and i shock my self again lol well time to go and put the coils back in and see how it runs Heck yes i need the coil testing webinar
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Post by Poppie » Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:03 pm

I am interested to learn something new....N.


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Post by Randall strickland » Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:43 pm

I'm interested

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Post by Tom D » Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:46 pm

I am interested.


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Post by SurfCityGene » Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:36 am

100% Count me in Mike! I know some others not here on the Form that would also want to joint.

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Post by Don ellis » Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:43 am

I’m in mike !

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Post by GEmering » Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:51 am

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Post by bron-hertford-nc » Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:01 am

Thanks for offering - I'm in
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Post by Tom VanMeeteren » Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:47 am

Count me in as well, looking forward to it!!!!!!!!!!!


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Post by Sparky » Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:01 am

Please add me to the list

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Re: Coil Testing/Tuning Webinar

Post by MKossor » Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:03 am

Thanks for all the replies. It appears sufficient interest does exist to begin preparation. Since this is an interactive activity, I would like to invite a few folks to participate by checking their inventory of spare Model T parts for coils with used sets of coil points (later production points with 1" diameter vibrator spring) of varying degrees of wear to serve as examples for the Coil Point Inspection/Refurbishing segment. Specifically, coil point sets with:

1. Minor wear (gray smooth surface)
2. Moderate wear (gray, lightly pitted surface)
3. Heavy wear (dark gray with moderate pit on one contact and deposition of metal on the mating contact)
4. Severe wear (large, deep pit(s) on one or both contact surfaces

Another topic suggestion for this or future Webinar is:
Viewer submitted coils for test/diagnosis and if possible, adjustment. This segment would be the opportunity for a couple viewers to find out why swapping out that one odd ball coil solved their engine performance issue.

Only a few examples of each are needed for the Webinar so if you have some of the items sought and would like to donate sets of used coil points or have your problem coil diagnosed live (and returned), please let me know via email: Mictel (the at sign) Comcast period Net
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Post by troutjohn » Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:02 am

Mike I would love to hear about point tension and cushion spring adjustment on time to fire and double sparking.

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Post by Blacktinlizzie » Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:29 pm

Yes please old dog looking for new tricks


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Post by wyankee » Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:12 pm

I would be very interested.


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Post by danparkinson » Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:34 pm

I'm interested.


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Post by Rich Huggins » Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:25 pm

Well i did not bench test coil box hardly any spark will not start take out and bench test box and coils tomorrow still interested

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Post by Matt in California » Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:51 pm

Great I idea Mike!

I am interested. I imagine no matter when you have it some will not be able to attend. Is it possible to have a recording? I know this is a feature on Zoom, but might require the paid version.

Thanks for offering.

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Post by DHort » Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:22 pm

Matt

AdminJeff put their Webinar on youtube, so it can be done. I think Mike already has some videos on youtube, but they are pretty short.

I am sure Mike will find some way to do it. He is pretty computer savvy.

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Post by John E. Guitar » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:09 am

Sounds good to me!


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Post by Ken Buhler » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:26 am

Thank you for such a valuable experience, to learn from the collective knowledge and wisdom in an area many of us do not totally understand.
I'm in and grateful.

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Re: Coil Testing/Tuning Webinar

Post by MKossor » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:44 am

I received notice that MTFCA Webinars will be subject to the same rules that apply to the Forum. That means vendors, suppliers and developers of Model T products or services offered for sale commercially are ineligible to provide content for MTFCA hosted Webinars.

The coil testing/tuning topics I proposed would in fact use tools I developed and offered commercially so the proposed Webinar was declined. Alternately, Vendors, suppliers and developers of Model T products and services are invited to host their own Webinars and advertise the event in the MTFCA Classifieds. Unfortunately, I don't have time at present to learn/host/moderate a Webinar in addition to preparing the Webinar content. Unless someone has Zoom hosting/moderating experience and would like to collaborate privately, I will have to defer Hosting my own coil testing/tuning Webinar to share my knowledge and techniques to the future.
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Post by DHort » Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:53 pm

I would assume that also means that you cannot give a presentation at the Museum and neither can any other vendor. So if the gentleman from Classtique wanted to show how to upholster a seat, that would also be declined. Then Brent Mize or Ron Patterson also could not demonstrate anything to do with coils at the Museum or at the homecomings. I would consider that a loss for the club. Too bad. Some rules are just wrong.

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Post by walber » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:25 pm

I rather expected the MTFCA supported webinar would be turned down as it would include using tool(s) sold by Mike and would be considered advertising. A distinction between that and Ron or Brent demonstrating coil rebuild or tuning would be that they sell a service (which they are telling you how to do yourself) rather than selling a product and they would not e permitted to pitch "send your coils to me". I have great respect for Mike and have used his E-Timer successfully and if I still ran T coils I'd buy his ECCT. I also have great respect for Ron and Brent and while I haven't used their services I appreciate their support of the hobby.

Please don't let this turn into another P'in match on the forum.

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Post by perry kete » Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:21 pm

What if someone else who has your product, knows how to use it, and doesn't sell them or get any compensation from you do the webcast demo. Would that be permitted? That way we still get to see the "How To" with no sales presentation involved.
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Post by Scott_Conger » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:25 pm

Buy the book ($12), and buy someone's coil adjustment equipment ($300+ depending on type and source): https://modeltstore.myshopify.com/produ ... ce-manuals and do it yourself or pay $58 each for someone else to do them.

not a big deal

In fact, considering the value of parts supplied with a rebuilt coil. the remaining $$ for the labor paid to someone who knows what their doing to rebuild one is an absolute steal, which is why I will not do another one for anyone. Kudos to those who do.

I've never watched any of them, but a quick search on YouTube brought up any number of "How To" videos on how to rebuild the coils. I expect that they range from poor to very good.

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Post by tman12 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:59 pm

I have all your goodies & would love to learn how to use them! Count Me In - John

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Post by ChrisB » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:09 pm

Just so everyone knows, we are working on the logistics of holding this seminar between myself, Jeff, the board and Mike K.

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Post by DHort » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:42 pm

Thank you Chris. A win-win proposal for everyone.

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Post by Bob McDaniel » Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:22 pm

I would sit in on this one if you get to do it.
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Post by Jeff5015 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:20 am

If I knew of a supplier that was having a online seminar or Webinar, could I notify people on this board that it was coming up and put a link here for them to sign up for the webinar?

Just curious if this would break the rules.

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Post by SurfCityGene » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:28 pm

Great News and seems like amazing potential for everyone!

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Post by 1912touring » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:50 pm

I would like to see this webinar hosted by MTFCA.

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Post by ChrisB » Sat May 02, 2020 3:18 pm

We now have worked out the details of hosting this Webinar.

See the details and registration info here:

https://www.mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic. ... 598#p94165

Hope to have you join us.
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Post by Larry Azevedo » Sat May 02, 2020 4:32 pm

Count Azevedo in.

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Post by KWTownsend » Sun May 03, 2020 10:37 am

I'm registered!

I have rebuilt lots of coils since Ron converted me 20+ years ago. However, I have one that I rebuilt a while back that does not work. I have checked all the circuitry backward and forward. New points, new capacitor, proper point setting, increased spring tension, decreased spring tension... But still nada. Zip. Zero.

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Post by MKossor » Sun May 03, 2020 3:39 pm

Keith, insufficient data. Define "does not work" ; I assume it does not generate any spark but does it :

Draw current?
Do the points open periodically ( ie buzz)?
Does the secondary measure around 3200 Ohms
If so, could be arcing internally ( Read URSOL)

Is there excessive arcing at the points when buzzing?
If so, capacitor (or connections to it ) could have failed.

The last time I encountered a similar scenario, the new capacitor was the wrong type (metalized mylar) with 60V/us dV/dt instead of 600V/us so it failed causing intermittent firing then no firing.
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Post by Quickm007 » Mon May 04, 2020 11:10 am

Hi Mike,

I will try to attend, very interesting topic. But I may have to move my Dad this Saturday either. Can we watch this webinar later somewhere on the web if we are not able to attend?

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Post by ChrisB » Mon May 04, 2020 12:24 pm

We record the webinars and post them on YouTube for viewing later.
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Post by jab35 » Tue May 05, 2020 8:53 pm

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Post by falewark » Wed May 06, 2020 12:07 pm

I plan to join.


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Hi Mike
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Post by Moxie26 » Thu May 07, 2020 10:27 am

I am registered and will see you on Saturday!..... No camera and microphone on my PC....yet.

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Post by ChrisB » Sat May 09, 2020 3:49 pm

Very successful webinar today, up to 72 people were online and still 43 an hour & a half later.
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Post by DHort » Sat May 09, 2020 3:53 pm

Great job Mike. Thank you and thanks to all at MTFCA that helped put this together.

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Post by jmc » Sat May 09, 2020 4:01 pm

Thanks Mike - you did a very nice job of explaining the factors involved in adjusting the coils.


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Post by danparkinson » Sat May 09, 2020 6:07 pm

Excellent webinar ! I learnt a lot ! Thank You Mike and all involved !

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Post by Matt in California » Sat May 09, 2020 7:04 pm

I agree that it was very informative webinar!

Thanks Mike for all the work that you put into sharing about the time-to-fire method of tuning coils and putting together the webinar!

Thanks MTFCA admins and board for putting this together.

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Post by Duey_C » Sun May 10, 2020 1:41 am

I gotta go looking for the youtub video. I was there today but got called away while it played.
No problem, It'll be there soon. Fantastic subject today! EVERY Webinar has had a fantastic subject.
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Post by bron-hertford-nc » Sun May 10, 2020 7:18 am

Thanks Mike - excellent and your half hour follow-on most useful. Looking forward to the developing webinar program - thanks Board.


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Post by mdsBob » Sun May 10, 2020 7:49 am

Just want to echo all the positive comments others have made about the webinar.
Very well organized and presented!
Thanks to Mike and MTFCA!
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Post by Steve Jelf » Sun May 10, 2020 10:33 am

It will be great having this on Youtube for reference.
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Post by AdminJeff » Sun May 10, 2020 11:51 am

Rendering a 2 hour long video is a painstaking ordeal, and I have all the cool toys to do it. Not to mention then uploading it to YouTube. I'll post the link here when I'm done, with any luck, later today.

All in all, this webinar really went well. Nice job Mike!

I'm still looking for Actual contributors (we have plenty of ideas) for next Sat.

If there are no other takers, I'm happy to do story time on my 3 engine and 2 transmission blowups in the first 6 months of My "The life of a T newbie - Model T ownership lessons learned the hard way". The learning curve and detective work involved in figuring out "likely" root causes was simply insane. It certainly would result in a very lively panel discussion!

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Post by keen25 » Mon May 11, 2020 11:04 am

Thank you, for the post to youtube. It did inspire me to work on an adjustment tool for both the upper and lower bridge in response to a question about the use of the hammer to adjust the lower bridge. I attached a photo for review and comment, the design most likely has been made in many backyard garages never to get exposure without the web. thank you, Erick.
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Post by Matt in California » Mon May 11, 2020 11:53 am

Erick,
Nice tool! Similar to the one that I made out of a Model T frame. What metal did you make it from?

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Post by keen25 » Mon May 11, 2020 2:02 pm

It was just a piece of scrap 3/8" x 1" cold rolled steel.


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Post by Ben Umberger » Wed May 13, 2020 5:13 pm

I just want to join everyone who found this Webinar to be a wonderful asset to the hobby, Thank you Mike and everyone involved. More like it from anyone with such detailed knowledge should be encouraged.

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Post by MKossor » Thu May 14, 2020 5:35 am

Thank you for the all the wonderful feed back. Very please to know so many found the Webinar informative and helpful. Time well spent sharing knowledge and information that helps others enjoy the hobby more. Have a safe and enjoyable touring season.
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Re: Coil Testing/Tuning Webinar #3

Post by Duey_C » Fri May 15, 2020 3:27 am

Great Webinar. Very well thought out.
I got called away during for a awhile but we have the video plus the PDF files we can go thru,
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Re: Model T Webinar #2 - Coil Testing/Tuning

Post by Emmo213 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:52 am

I didn't see the link posted in this thread so it can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYcGD-8Ol3s
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