26/27 brake light wire color?

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26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by ArthurB » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:49 pm

Is there any commonly used color for wiring a 26/27 brake light? I'm using black for the tail lights. I know it doesn't matter but as long as I'm ordering wire I might as well get the "right" color, if there is one. While we're at it, can someone clarify for me what lights were standard or available from Ford for these cars? I know they had tail lights, but could you get accessory brake lights or turn signals from Ford back then?

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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by Steve Jelf » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:01 pm

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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by ArthurB » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:21 pm

I must be missing something. Is there a brake light in that diagram? I just see the tail marker light.

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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by Ruxstel24 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:23 pm

I thought a brake light was an add on accessory...I believe my wire is red.

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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by DanTreace » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:21 pm

Ford offered the combo Stop Tail lamp in 1926. Came with a special switch too, placed on the Bendix cover.

Believe the wiring would have been just black, like the tail lamp wire. The short wire would be run from terminal block # 1 (yellow/black), so it would indicate on the ammeter, to the switch. The long wire would run from the switch to the stop lamp bulb, threaded in the dual socket of the new stop/tail lamp. That long wire runs along with the tail lamp wire and is taped to it in places with friction tape.

Would reserve a 'red' wire only for the magneto on the T, to keep from confusing with any other red wire :o


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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by fliverfan » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:14 pm

Most diagrams list the 26/27 tail light wire as cloth covered, plain green, 16 gauge. Same with a tracer for the brake should be ok.

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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by DanTreace » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:43 pm

Aug. 1926 Service Bulletin illustration, Fig. 65 Wiring diagram, Improved Car, with starter, labels tail lamp wire as 'black'.
Earlier diagrams do indeed label the tail lamp wire as green. Still wouldn't use red for stop lamp wire :roll:
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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by Original Smith » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:42 am

Did Ford offer a replacement license plate light after the end of production, like after 1927? I have several that appear to be genuine Ford that use a socket in the assembly similar to the headlights. With that, you can use a spring loaded socket, either double contact, or single contact. I chose to use a double contact socket on mine, with a Snyder bulb that is made for turn signals. I don't know why Don put an offset pin on one side of the bulb, but I was able to file it off. I now have what appears to be an original taillight assembly, but has a stoplight inside. I used a 26-7 stoplight switch mounted on the bendix cover, and ran a green wire to the stoplight. Works nicely. I'm using this on a 1925.

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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by DanTreace » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:38 am

Haven't seen such lamp with bayonet socket. Parts Books don't show a tea-cup license style lamp other than single contact for tail bulb. That little socket does have same dia. as a headlamp socket. The little socket has button contact for the blunt metal tip that is stock on the late Ford lighting wire loom for the tail lamp wire.

Lots of aftermarket type to fit to the slanted Ford rear rim carrier too. All have single contact.

Would be easy IMO to change out the single contact socket with a double contact socket, for adding brake lamp, and use today's twin filament bulbs, smaller c.p. ones to fit, don't think those are period bulbs, exc. the headlamp too large c.p. bulb.

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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by jagiven » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:04 pm

ArthurB wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:21 pm
I must be missing something. Is there a brake light in that diagram? I just see the tail marker light.
Stock 26/27 did not have a brake light, just a single marker light.

Many of us have added a brake switch and brake lights. I made a simple bracket and used, I think a mid 50's Chrysler brake switch, and wired up my own brake and turn signals. I have the floor out of my T at the moment and could take a picture of the setup later.

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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by BE_ZERO_BE » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:34 pm

Color schematics are available here.

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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by fliverfan » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:15 pm

Changing the stock lamp to use a dual filament bulb will have the license plate light getting brighter at night whenever you step on the brake.

One or two of these, with a little paint work, probably be better.

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Not sure why there's a left and a right, they look identical too me. Doesn't mention if the "Stop" insert comes with it but it wouldn't really be "complete" without one.

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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by TonyB » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:23 pm

Looks good to me.
Most if not all the magneto horn cars I have studied have the switch in the feed side and not in the ground side, just my observation. 😊😊
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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by George N Lake Ozark » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:02 pm

Too help keep track of your wires, when I rewired my car I had the same question . No answers were available on the stop light. Depending on who made the harness tail lamp will be green or blk. I used simple White wire so I would know tapped to the green wire.


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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by Allan » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:43 pm

I am expert at letting the smoke out of wires. To help curb this I have developed a few strategies. A stop sign is red. A stop light is red. A brake light which indicates stopping is red. SO, I use red wires for stop lights!!!!
I use the double contact headlight sockets and fit these into original taillights, so I can have the brake lights fitted as unobtrusively as possible. I bought a few US tail light at Chickasa so I can make matching left and right pairs with number plate windows both showing to the inside of the car.

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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by Ruxstel24 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:33 pm

Allen, I have to check, but that was kinda my reasoning. I don't run a mag, so no worries there.
I understand the reason not to use red, but if you hooked the stop light wire to the mag, your probably better of not owning any tools. :shock:

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Re: 26/27 brake light wire color?

Post by DanTreace » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:03 pm

Larry

Ran across this adv. for replacement tail lamp for the Late model Fords, '25-'27 so maybe this aftermarket one uses the Bakelite thimble connector and bayonet socket for the bulb?


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And an aftermarket single lamp for mounting to the spare tire carrier, '15-'25, with bayonet socket and Bakelite thimble.


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