Accessory: Bayne B-B Auto Power Pulley

Discuss all things Model T related.
Forum rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules
User avatar

Topic author
Retro54
Posts: 589
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:40 pm
First Name: Andrew
Last Name: Blaydon
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1915 Cut-down touring
Location: Middletown
Board Member Since: 2018

Accessory: Bayne B-B Auto Power Pulley

Post by Retro54 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:28 pm

In our T family, we have collected a lot of neat stuff, but the one T accessory that I've always really liked is this Bayne Bushnell Auto Power pulley my father and brother picked up at a sale. Have you ever seen one???

I know nothing about it other than it fits up to a T spoke wheel perfectly! I think its missing a retainer or knock off cap for the hub to hold it on. Maybe one of you accessory gurus have one or have seen one. Would be amazing to find the missing piece.

Anyways, its a fun thing we all can enjoy looking at! Plus in my mind, it looks great in the soon to be finished bed of my 1915 cut-down touring! If my brother let's me use it.. ha. I'll post about the bed progress in another post... and BTW, still looking for nice, original rear fenders.

Andy
Attachments
IMG_20201012_163955100.jpg
IMG_20201012_163949729.jpg
IMG_20201012_163944401.jpg
IMG_20201012_163938897.jpg
_IMG_000000_000000.jpg
Last edited by Retro54 on Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:51 am, edited 3 times in total.

User avatar

Topic author
Retro54
Posts: 589
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:40 pm
First Name: Andrew
Last Name: Blaydon
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1915 Cut-down touring
Location: Middletown
Board Member Since: 2018

Re: Accessory: Bayne Bushnell Auto Power Pulley

Post by Retro54 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:29 pm

More photos! Its just resting on the spokes... balancing really... not attached.
Attachments
IMG_20201012_164011098.jpg
IMG_20201012_164006411.jpg
IMG_20201012_164000418.jpg

User avatar

Henry K. Lee
Posts: 5474
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:09 am
First Name: Henry
Last Name: Lee
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: Many
Location: South Pittsburg, TN
MTFCA Life Member: YES

Re: Accessory: Bayne Bushnell Auto Power Pulley

Post by Henry K. Lee » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:38 pm

Way too Cool!!!!!


Herb Iffrig
Posts: 1666
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:47 am
First Name: Herb
Last Name: Iffrig
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1911 Torpedo, 1918 TT Hucksters
Location: St. Peters, MO

Re: Accessory: Bayne Bushnell Auto Power Pulley

Post by Herb Iffrig » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:59 pm

Yep. I have on that might be just like it except for a little chip out of the edge.

User avatar

Topic author
Retro54
Posts: 589
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:40 pm
First Name: Andrew
Last Name: Blaydon
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1915 Cut-down touring
Location: Middletown
Board Member Since: 2018

Re: Accessory: Bayne Bushnell Auto Power Pulley

Post by Retro54 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:13 pm

Herb Iffrig wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:59 pm
Yep. I have on that might be just like it except for a little chip out of the edge.
Cool! How does it attach to the hub? I'm assuming we are missing a piece.

User avatar

namdc3
Posts: 381
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:15 pm
First Name: Nikolaus
Last Name: Martin
Location: Kansas City

Re: Accessory: Bayne Bushnell Auto Power Pulley

Post by namdc3 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:20 pm

How does it attach to the hub? I'm assuming we are missing a piece.
This does a pretty good job of describing the adaptor flange. I've seen a couple of the pulleys but never the adaptor flange.

Patent
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis ... 262003.pdf

bayne.JPG
bayne.JPG (53.73 KiB) Viewed 3309 times

User avatar

namdc3
Posts: 381
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:15 pm
First Name: Nikolaus
Last Name: Martin
Location: Kansas City

Re: Accessory: Bayne Bushnell Auto Power Pulley

Post by namdc3 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:35 pm

Interesting photos of other pulleys.

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/17 ... 9649.html

Hopefully someone will post photos (and dimensions ;) ) of an original adaptor. I have a pulley but no adaptor and, probably like you, would love to have one. I would think the hubcap wouldn't work that well to hold it all together, but a hub puller would work pretty well. It kind of appears that's the case in the advertising image actually.

I'm assuming it wouldn't be great on a differential, but it's a cool piece.

User avatar

Topic author
Retro54
Posts: 589
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:40 pm
First Name: Andrew
Last Name: Blaydon
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1915 Cut-down touring
Location: Middletown
Board Member Since: 2018

Re: Accessory: Bayne Bushnell Auto Power Pulley

Post by Retro54 » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:36 am

Namdc3, this is great! I bet these things got split up over the years! Yes, would love to have the full pieces, would make a great static display at a show.


mtntee20
Posts: 657
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:51 pm
First Name: Terry & Sharon
Last Name: Miller
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1920 Center Door, 1920 TTWood cab Farm Truck with cable dump grain bed, 1920 TT C-Cab with express bed, 1927 Wood body Dairy Delivery truck
Location: Westminster, CO
Board Member Since: 2017

Re: Accessory: Bayne B-B Auto Power Pulley

Post by mtntee20 » Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:07 am

Andy,

It appears the adapter would be easy to fabricate. 2 flanges; one with an inside diameter just large enough to fit over the outer wheel hub where the hub cap threads with and outside diameter smaller than the hole inside the belt adapter. And a second flange with an outside diameter larger than the inside hole of the belt adapter and an inside diameter large enough to allow you to thread the hub cap (or wheel puller) on to the hub. Connect these two flanges with a piece of tube/pipe with a diameter equal to the outside of the hub flange diameter but equal to the diameter of the inside hole of the belt pulley side flange. Weld them together and you should be good to go. When complete, the adapter would look like a top hat with a hole in the flat top of the hat. This hole would go over the wheel hub. You would reach through the brim of the hat to thread on the hub cap or hub puller.

From the patent document, the original builder used just the hub cap to hold it all together. Seems like it would be better to use a heavier, thicker walled puller rather than a thin walled hub cap.


Adam
Posts: 1550
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:57 am
First Name: Adam
Last Name: Doleshal
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: ‘13 Touring, ‘24 Touring, ‘25 TT dump truck, ‘26 Tudor, ‘20 Theiman harvester T powerplant, ‘20 T Staude tractor
Location: Wisconsin
Board Member Since: 2000

Re: Accessory: Bayne B-B Auto Power Pulley

Post by Adam » Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:03 am

Don’t try to actually use it to power anything. These setups cause the differential to be loaded in a way they were never meant to operate. You may be disappointed in your rear axle longevity...

User avatar

Topic author
Retro54
Posts: 589
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:40 pm
First Name: Andrew
Last Name: Blaydon
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1915 Cut-down touring
Location: Middletown
Board Member Since: 2018

Re: Accessory: Bayne B-B Auto Power Pulley

Post by Retro54 » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:17 pm

Update, a hub puller and hub plate from a wooden spoke t wheel will work with a little play and fabrication. Can not wait to use this setup!! Ha.

User avatar

namdc3
Posts: 381
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:15 pm
First Name: Nikolaus
Last Name: Martin
Location: Kansas City

Re: Accessory: Bayne B-B Auto Power Pulley

Post by namdc3 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:01 am

hub plate from a wooden spoke t wheel
Good idea, Andrew. Be sure to post some pics. Like I mentioned above, I don't think using it will do a differential any favors, as the spider gears are having to constantly spin, but I do wonder if a light load for a short run would be fine. I'd be interested in anyone's more scientific thoughts on how much is too much.

User avatar

namdc3
Posts: 381
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:15 pm
First Name: Nikolaus
Last Name: Martin
Location: Kansas City

Re: Accessory: Bayne B-B Auto Power Pulley

Post by namdc3 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:07 am

Just a few more ads. It sounds like it came with its own heavy duty hubcap.
Bayne 3.JPG
Bayne 3.JPG (71.33 KiB) Viewed 2924 times
Bayne 2.JPG
Bayne 2.JPG (99.53 KiB) Viewed 2924 times
Bayne 1.JPG
Bayne 1.JPG (61.44 KiB) Viewed 2924 times

User avatar

Topic author
Retro54
Posts: 589
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:40 pm
First Name: Andrew
Last Name: Blaydon
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1915 Cut-down touring
Location: Middletown
Board Member Since: 2018

Re: Accessory: Bayne B-B Auto Power Pulley

Post by Retro54 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:28 pm

namdc3 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:07 am
Just a few more ads. It sounds like it came with its own heavy duty hubcap.

Bayne 3.JPG
Bayne 2.JPG
Bayne 1.JPG
These are aawesome! Thank you for sharing. Will be a little bit until I can get a hub machined, but once I do I will follow up. My true idea is to simply put it on when at a show as part of the 'display' of the car.

Post Reply Previous topicNext topic