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Can someone tell me about these wheels?

Post by TorontoMD » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:22 am

These came with the T I purchased. I’ve recently acquired a different set and will likely need to part with these for the sake of space but I don’t know enough about them yet.
Any info? Are they non-ford modified to fit?

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Re: Can someone tell me about these wheels?

Post by Norman Kling » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:55 am

They look like wheels for a 1925-1927. They are split rim wheels with balloon tires. They are the standard size. The only thing different I haven't seen is the detachable lugs.
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Post by TWrenn » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:41 am

Tom...what type of other wheels did you acquire? Having bought my Fordor a year ago that has these same kind of tires/wheels as in your pictures, I can honestly tell you they are SUPERIOR to the so-called "standard clincher" type tire if I may use that description, meaning the good ol' 30x3's, and 30x3.5's. These ride so much nicer. Haven't had a need to change any, but the split rim should make it a little bit
easier than fighting with the other type. Just my opinion.

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Re: Can someone tell me about these wheels?

Post by Mark Gregush » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:47 am

Chevrolet Jaxon wood wheels mounted on Ford hubs. Jaxon used loose lugs with their name on them and you will see the backside of the felloe, the hole for the bolt has an oval shape not square and in the front there is a slot for the clamps ears to fit into.
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Post by Derek Kiefer » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:20 am

I have the same wheels on my '25 Touring.
Most would never notice that they are Chevrolet wheels.

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Post by TonyB » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:29 pm

As I remember the valve on the Chevy rims are at a different location to the valve on the Model T rims.
I found this to my cost when the spare on the 17 Touring was a Chevy and all the rest Ford. ☹️
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Re: Can someone tell me about these wheels?

Post by John kuehn » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:39 pm

There are more than a few T’s that have these wheels on their car. You have to look pretty close to see the difference. Over time people would go to their local wrecking yard and find replacement wheels and probably found wheels that would fit. This type would.


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Re: Can someone tell me about these wheels?

Post by Allan » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:58 pm

Re fitting Ford hubs into Chev wheels, I recently did this on what I thought was a 23" Chev wheel. However, the hub I removed from the wheel was assembled differently to a Ford wheel. The outside flange was part of the hub casting and the inside was the removable plate, exactly the reverse of the Ford. This meant that the chamfer on the spokes to clear the radius on the hubs wason the outside of the wheel rather than the inside as it is on a Ford wheel. Either all the spokes needed to be turned around, or another taper worked on the ends of the spokes.

It may not have been a Chev wheel. The felloe was exactly the same as our loose lug Kelsey wheels supplied with Canadian cars. The felloe has rolled edges on both sides and no slots for the Jaxon type lugs.

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Re: Can someone tell me about these wheels?

Post by Mark Gregush » Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:16 pm

I have a hub that the flange plate is on the outside, not Dodge so am not sure ether what it came off of.
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Re: Can someone tell me about these wheels?

Post by TorontoMD » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:14 pm

Thanks for the information, everyone. Very helpful.


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Re: Can someone tell me about these wheels?

Post by Rich Bingham » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:28 pm

Allan wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:58 pm
The outside flange was part of the hub casting and the inside was the removable plate, exactly the reverse of the Ford. This meant that the chamfer on the spokes to clear the radius on the hubs wason the outside of the wheel rather than the inside as it is on a Ford wheel. Either all the spokes needed to be turned around, or another taper worked on the ends of the spokes . . .
That's suggestive. Perhaps it's a photo distortion that shows your wheels with a severe reverse "dish" to the spokes ? If they are as far from being plumb in line from hub to the center of the felloe, I'd say they are unsafe to run. Many wood wheels are engineered to have a slight "dish", but that puts the felloe slightly outboard of the hub.
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Re: Can someone tell me about these wheels?

Post by TorontoMD » Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:03 am

It’s just the angle/distortion of the photos. The spokes seem pretty in-line with everything.


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Post by Rich Bingham » Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:22 am

>whew !< :D
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Re: Can someone tell me about these wheels?

Post by Corey Walker » Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:31 am

The rear wheels on a Model 91 Overland have the outer flange made onto the hub and the brake drum serves as the backing plate. I never thought about the spokes being reversed so I went out and looked. Front hubs are like T hubs.
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Re: Can someone tell me about these wheels?

Post by Mark Gregush » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:11 pm

Corey, if you get a chance could you take a photo of the back side of the Overland rear hub? Might be what I have.
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Re: Can someone tell me about these wheels?

Post by Corey Walker » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:00 pm

The axle is a bit larger than a T.
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Re: Can someone tell me about these wheels?

Post by Mark Gregush » Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:43 am

Thanks Corey. That rules out Overland for the rear hub I have now that I see the back side.
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