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On the job and not

Post by Dollisdad » Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:34 pm

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Re: On the job and not

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Re: On the job and not

Post by Norman Kling » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:49 pm

In the 9th picture with the two women sitting on the back of a 26 Roadster, my first glimpse was of a man's face staring at them from the tree. He is right toward the right top of the picture. It is actually the leaves of the tree, but sure looks like a face! :lol:

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Re: On the job and not

Post by varmint » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:31 pm

Photo #15, the couple and T next to the tree. Looks like some naughty couple carved their initials in the tree.
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Re: On the job and not

Post by perry kete » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:07 pm

In the 13th picture the young lady standing by the Coupe ... It looks to me that the Coupe has a two tone paint job. The radiator shell and the fenders look darker then the hood and doors. It also looks like the door pillars and top are darker also.
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Re: On the job and not

Post by Dallas Landers » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:18 pm

In the 3rd photo , whats on the running board? Is that a spinner knob on steeringwheel or aftermarket horn button?

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Post by perry kete » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:22 pm

What's on the running board ... A guy and two dogs!
There is a button on the steering post so I will venture a guess it's a spinner on the wheel
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Post by Dallas Landers » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:53 pm

A guy and two dogs!
I knew you would come through Mr. Kete😂

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Post by doodlebugt » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:08 pm

Column top might be a headlight switch or a button for what may be an aftermarket horn on the running board (along with the two dog man)
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Re: On the job and not

Post by dlmyers » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:13 pm

I believe the stone structure in #17 is the remains of an old iron furnace.
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Re: On the job and not

Post by Wayne Sheldon » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:34 pm

A bunch of interesting photos! Thank you Tom R.
The 9th with the two girls on the back of the 1926/'27 roadster? Notice the spare tire is a 30X3.5 clincher.

The 13th, the girl with the 1925 coupe. Clearly the coupe is not its original factory black. Given the shade of the unknown film type, it is difficult to guess what color it may have been. It could have simply been gray, or a bright red, possibly a medium green. Looks like she was quite proud of her car, and rightfully so. The front wheel is a 21 inch balloon type, hence likely a 1925.

The 15th appears to be a 1915 touring car, looks pretty clean, like maybe it could be fairly new? However, it appears the oil sidelamps have been removed. Nice top boot (cover).

Number 19 is an interesting speedster! Looks like a decent after-market body, with black era fenders and hood on a black era radiator shell. However, notice the brass radiator under that shell! The car also has nice after-market demountable wheels.

The last (number 20) car appears to be 1919 or 1920 with its demountable wheels and clear headlamp lenses. What I find interesting is the unusual after-market front fender lights.


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Re: On the job and not

Post by jiminbartow » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:38 am

Nice pictures. Picture 5, where the T ran into a tree. I can see what bent in the right fender (contact with the tree), but what bent in the left fender?! It does not appear to have made contact with anything to be bent under so bad. Jim Patrick

PS. I’m in love with the pretty young woman with the nice smile in photo number 15. Unfortunately, she’d be about 125 years old were she alive today.


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Post by Original Smith » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:04 am

1915 Ford. This is the last year Ford used the side flap on the top boot. It was eliminated in 1916. Good detail.


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Re: On the job and not

Post by Norman Kling » Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:08 am

In answer to Wayne Sheldon. That 26 Roadster looks pretty beat up. So it was not a new car by any means. So my answer to the spare tire. It is my understanding that when the balloon tires first came out, they were "extra" That the cars without a starter had the old 30" wheels. Or another explanation, that over the years, the wheels had been changed. That spare tire carrier looks like it was made for the same kind of rim on the car.

As for the car by Jimin. It appears to me, that the left front fender had been clipped by perhaps another vehicle. Perhaps the driver tried to swerve to the right to avoid the collision but the fender was bent, trapping the wheel in the right turn position and that's why he hit the tree. Anyway, they will need to be towed.
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Re: On the job and not

Post by Wayne Sheldon » Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:01 pm

Norman K,
There has been so much misinformation, opinions, documented evidence that is absolutely in conflict with mountains of photographic evidence, that I don't think this will ever go away. People have shared records from Ford's letters to dealers and sales brochures that actual sales records and photographs have proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be false. Ford literature says that no wooden felloe non-demountable wheels (only the even more rare formed steel felloe non-demountable wheels) were used after some date in the early 1920s (that date varies by several years depending upon the source of the record used). Yet, hundreds of era photographs exist showing wood felloe non-demountable wheels on Ts from 1924 into 1927! Years ago I had an unmolested pair of original wooden felloe rear wheels from a 1926/'27. Their condition was poor, and at the time they were not considered that controversial (40 years ago), so I salvaged a few usable pieces I needed from them (I have since come to regret that).
The loss leader basic open model T had neither the starter/generator package, nor the demountable rim wheels. The two "options" were offered separately. It was quite common (based upon photographic evidence) for cars to be sold with the starter/generator package, but with the non-demountable clincher wheels and tires (more than a year ago, I pointed about a half dozen of these in the photo gallery section). Apparently people were more concerned about the many times a day starting of the car than they were about the occasional fixing of a flat. While the number of cars so equipped went down steadily with each passing year, photographic and sales receipts indicate they were still being sold that way well into the short 1927 model year.
While 1926/'27 Ts with non-demountable wheels and tires were somewhat rare, the middle-ground option of demountable clinchers were still favored by a considerable number of people. I don't think any real records of the actual numbers exist. Probably not anywhere. And, very unfortunately, restorers in the past two-thirds century have made it a mission to "correct" "errors" by replacing those anomalies with what they perceived as "correct". Simply put, not enough cars are restored to how many cars really were. Model Ts were NOT all alike.
Many photographs and a few well documented cars exist showing the 30X3.5 demountable rim wheels on 1926/'27 open model Ts.
Beyond photographs. The "Y" type spare tire carrier for model Ts was used for less than two years, only the 1926 and short 1927 year model cars used them from the factory. Hundreds, probably many hundreds of the 30X3.5 rim carriers still exist. Where would they have come from if Ford wasn't selling the cars with them?

Similar discrepancies plague the hobby surrounding wire wheels and body colors for model Ts of 1926 and 1927. Wooden spoke wheels and all black continued to be produced on enclosed cars for many months after letters and memos stated they would not be.

I still try to point out details like this when I see them in era photographs. Otherwise, everyone forgets that those options did exist and go back to accepting the prevailing opinion.

My opinion. With enough photographic evidence out there to say I am not wrong.


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