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Henry's Chariot

Post by Nathan Pederson » Tue May 12, 2020 1:22 pm

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A few years ago, I put together Henry's Chariot to use up leftover parts,
and except for the body, it is all Model T. Things did get rearranged a bit. :)
Mechanically, the insides are all rebuilt, and it goes down the road well.
It has been fun to take it to car and threshing shows.

I have been finding good information on this site for years. Thanks Forum!

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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Mark Gregush » Tue May 12, 2020 2:27 pm

Cool! Like the upside down intake.
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Playswithbrass » Tue May 12, 2020 4:25 pm

The earliest know slingshot dragster.l do like it!


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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Tue May 12, 2020 4:39 pm

I love your downdraft arrangement! I've always wanted to do that and use a vaporizer type exhaust manifold with an exhaust port in place of the vaporizer plate. Cool!!!

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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Rich Eagle » Tue May 12, 2020 5:06 pm

That is truly delightful. I've never seen anything like that. You may have started a fad. :D
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Dallas Landers » Tue May 12, 2020 8:25 pm

I would like to see more of that chariot!

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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Ed Fuller » Tue May 12, 2020 8:26 pm

Love it!

Reminds me of an old front engine dragster.

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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Angmar » Tue May 12, 2020 9:31 pm

Ok, I too would like to see more photos. I want one. Drag bar???
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by John E. Guitar » Wed May 13, 2020 5:38 am

That’s very cool. It reminds me of this:

https://youtu.be/ddQVuhd7xLI


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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Nathan Pederson » Wed May 13, 2020 9:48 am

Friends, thank you kindly for all the replies.

Here is a pic showing the "interior" of Henry's Chariot.
(The car is not yet equipped with wheelie bars and a parachute. :))

I liked those motorcycle chariots. Crazy!

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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Thorlick » Wed May 13, 2020 10:08 am

Don’t forget the blades afixed to the rear hubs like they had in the Ben Hur film!

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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Mark Gregush » Wed May 13, 2020 11:11 am

What would be fun would be to mount a big cutout of a farm animal to the front, chicken goat pig horse cow or? :lol:
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Norman Kling » Wed May 13, 2020 11:21 am

How does the steering work? The steering column ends in the middle of the chassis. Also does the vehicle steer with so light weight on the front end. Would the car skid forward then the wheels are turned? This has to be one of the strangest T modifications I have seen.
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by critterpainter » Wed May 13, 2020 11:54 am

Looks like a candidate for steering brakes on the rear wheels
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Nathan Pederson » Wed May 13, 2020 1:12 pm

I am appreciating all the ideas.

Re: Chariot Steering
Norm, the ball arm is removed from the end of the steering column
and a u-joint is fastened to the end of the column. A 3 foot long 3/4 inch shaft then
connects the u-joint to the front of the car, goes through an additional frame bracket, and
connects to the ball arm. From there, the drag link, tie rod, and spindles are basically stock.
So it really steers just like a Model T but with a u-joint and extension.

There is enough weight forward so there is no skidding while turning.
This picture shows the front end better:
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Mark Nunn » Wed May 13, 2020 1:15 pm

Where did you get, or how did you make the front wheels?

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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Ed Baudoux » Wed May 13, 2020 4:25 pm

I have to know. Will it do a wheelie?
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Nathan Pederson » Wed May 13, 2020 4:55 pm

Re: Chariot front wheels:

Mark, I liked the looks of Goodyear 22 x 2.5 racing tires for the fronts, and built wheels so I could use them.

To build a wheel required cutting a section out of a 30x3 inch rim, bending the rim around a form, and welding
the ends back together. Wood felloes were laminated in a form and old Model T spokes were cut down and used.
The wood was then pressed into the rims.

The rims also have modifications that allow the non clincher Goodyear tires to be mounted on a clincher rim.
Long story short, 1/3 of the inside rim edge is removeable, and is held in place by bolts, which are accessed by
squeezing the beads together with a clamp. The wheels were a challenge to build, but are solid and hold air.

Lastly, Rustoleum brown textured paint makes the wheels look ancient.

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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Nathan Pederson » Wed May 13, 2020 5:11 pm

Re: Chariot will it do a wheelie?

Ed, I wish it could, unfortunately no.

Maybe with more horsepower and a lot more weight added behind the rear axel???
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Erik Barrett » Wed May 13, 2020 7:31 pm

Reminds me of this.
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Duey_C » Wed May 13, 2020 8:35 pm

Ben Hur, move over!
Huh. The Langhei Aces are the 4-H club right? Long Highland.
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Kevin Pharis » Thu May 14, 2020 12:04 am

Luvin it!!!
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Nathan Pederson » Thu May 14, 2020 10:09 am

Erik Barrett wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 7:31 pm
Reminds me of this.
Erik, I looked in the 2016 Forum archives for more pictures of the original "Wild Cherry" car.
There is also a picture of the "Wild Cherry" car you worked on.
Those are quite the Model T machines!!

Makes me want to find an overhead engine for the chariot...
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Nathan Pederson » Thu May 14, 2020 10:36 am

Duey, Re: "Ben Hur, Move Over!" = :)

Yes, Pope County 4-H in 1974, Nate had a Model T rustbucket for a 4-H project that year.
Your Norske translation skills are excellent.
Also remember years ago when there were auctions just about every summer
weekend, and where they would be selling Model T parts.
Good Days.

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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Duey_C » Fri May 15, 2020 3:15 am

I do remember that Nate... Good times. Have some items down in the woods to prove that. Even for broke guys! Sshhh.
You're 20 minutes south of me or less but I do live under a rock...
Coolest ever! Thanks Nate!
We'll get together sometime and share stories and I can perhaps drool over your Chariot...
1974? Holy XXXX! I was only... I got the IH truck from Julian in Star town then. I was 13...Never mind.
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Nathan Pederson » Fri May 15, 2020 9:14 am

Thanks to all for their comments!

Yeah Duey, we'll do that and looking forward to the stories!

Here's a pic showing the chariot hauler (it's a non Ford, oops)
loaded up and ready to go to the race. The box of dynamite is
just there for any co-pilots to sit on.
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Dallas Landers » Fri May 15, 2020 9:45 am

Nathan, the more I see the better I like it! Thanks for sharing it with us. More photos would be alright with me.


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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Nathan Pederson » Fri May 15, 2020 5:55 pm

Dallas, I liked your 8 in 1 truck restoration (excellent work!) and it's always
interesting to see your travels out and about in the T.

Will try to take a few pictures of chariot details.

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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Dallas Landers » Fri May 15, 2020 8:12 pm

Super. I bet the drive shaft is pretty short? Those front wheels were not a simple task but really look right on it. How did the body come about?

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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Duey_C » Fri May 15, 2020 10:49 pm

Love the Chevrolet 3/4 Ton! Used a heavy 1/2 like that with the same paint scheme for quite awhile. Some GMC parts mixed in. Oop, is that a GMC?
And a saddle tank... I'm about the only one that will type some of those words out here. I dare. :lol:
Some friends and myself followed a Staricka Tour close to here and the Rescue truck was an old Ford Wrecker like that truck.
Cool.
Super neat. The dynamite box only adds to the cool. :)
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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Nathan Pederson » Sat May 16, 2020 7:29 pm

More pictures as requested:
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Driveshaft is 14".



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Because of the short driveshaft/long radius rod arrangement,
the rear axle has to be bolted directly to the frame with irons and u-bolts.
This prevents stresses on the oil pan/crankshaft.
It also wants to make you want to drive on smooth roads.






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Body is 1/16" steel. The front curves were shaped on a roller.
To make the top edge, two flat pieces of 1/4" steel were
cut out into an S shape, bent to fit the corners, and welded
together in the middle.


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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Nathan Pederson » Sun May 17, 2020 8:54 pm

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Rear brake drum speedometer drive


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Updraft carb
Briggs and Stratton horn


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Steering extension is connected to column with U-joint


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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Dallas Landers » Sun May 17, 2020 9:19 pm

Thaks Nate, I was wondering how the speedo worked and steering. Not a simple project. Nice rig for sure.


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Re: Henry's Chariot

Post by Nathan Pederson » Mon May 18, 2020 6:12 pm

The comments were all appreciated!

A few last details:

Chariot body concept came to me in 2012. After deciding to build a mid-engine
Model T, I guess the wheels in the old head must have turned just enough to think
"chariot body" and then "Henry Ford's Chariot". So it was kind of born in a day.
The original plan was to drive while standing up and with hand controls.
Decided to go with the spring seat and use the pedals. Thought about trying to
make it pretty in gold paint, but in the end Rust won out. Much easier to not
take care of.:)

Then, there were a couple of Minnesota winters spent in the wood heated garage-
about my favorite place. No real decent Model T parts were modified. The ones
used had "all seen better days". Figuring things out and putting things together
took time, but it wasn't work at all, it was fun. I am sure people on here can relate.

Performance wise, acceleration is excellent. Probably should have 3-1 gears, but I
usually drive only 25-30 anyway, the way God, Henry, and The Scenery intended.
Free starts are common, it runs well on Mag, and Life is Good! NP

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