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Wayne Sheldon
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Re: Picture this.
The sixth photo, a 1922ish coupe. Notice the radiator cap! I can't help but think that there must be more model Ts on the road today with those than actually had spread wings radiator caps or wings between the Moto-Meter and a simple cap back during the 1920s. Seriously. I think I have seen fifty of them in person myself! I am sure I have seen a couple hundred of them in tour report photos!
In the past twenty years, looking at literally thousands of era photos? I doubt I have seen ten of them. I have always known they were reproductions of original accessories, and I have even seen a fair number of known original ones.
I open a new photos thread (THANK YOU Tom R!), and the first thing that leaps out at me is that winged radiator cap!
Thank you.
In the past twenty years, looking at literally thousands of era photos? I doubt I have seen ten of them. I have always known they were reproductions of original accessories, and I have even seen a fair number of known original ones.
I open a new photos thread (THANK YOU Tom R!), and the first thing that leaps out at me is that winged radiator cap!
Thank you.
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Wayne Sheldon
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Re: Picture this.
The next car that jumps out at me is of course the interestingly distorted speedster (9th photo). It has a dogbone radiator cap. Also more unusual then than now, but not as egregiously so. I have probably seen close to a hundred era photos of Ts with dogbone caps.
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Rob
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Re: Picture this.
Great pics. Thank you Tom. Wayne, you always catch so much in these threads. Thank you for posting.
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JohnM
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Re: Picture this.
In the fifth picture down, the non ford car looks like a Mercer or Stutz?
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Craig Leach
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Re: Picture this.
It would be worser if it's a Mercer but they would have to nuts if it's a Stutz.
Craig.
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Wayne Sheldon
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Re: Picture this.
The fifth photo, non Ford sport roadster. I am fairly sure it is not either a Mercer or a Stutz. That was my immediate impression when I first looked at the photo last night. But I didn't have time then to confirm my thoughts. I have managed to spend a few minutes with google images to confirm some of what I thought I remembered.
My first impression was that it was not a Stutz. The Stutz Bearcat was a big car! It was a true muscle car whether the modern muscle car crowd wants to think so or not. It was big, and it was very fast through brute force of a powerful big engine! Also, the fenders varied quite a bit through the several years that series was built. Regardless of specific year, the curve and the slope of the fenders, they were generally a bit wide, very unlike the car pictured above. I also did not recall ever seeing a Stutz Bearcat with a front bill on the fenders like the pictured car has. My quick look through google images showed no fenders on a Stutz like these ones.
Additional not Stutz details include the shift/brake levers aren't the same, and the Stutz seats sit flat on the floor (I know, I have sat in a couple of them!). The pictured car had the seats raised and sloped slightly. It could be possible that someone altered the seat position? But not really likely.
While the pictured car does more closely resemble a Mercer Raceabout? It still doesn't look right to me. While a 1911 Mercer does have a similar front bill on its front fenders? The fenders are otherwise different. The Mercer Raceabout also has the seats sitting flat on the floor, and much more prominent brake/shift levers. Also, the transition from the hood to the miniature cowl is different.
I am not as definite about it not being a Mercer? But my feeling is that it is not.
There were several other automakers offering similar sport roadsters. Paige did in 1912. As I recall, even Marmon had a similar offering. Overland did not build such a car themselves, however, they had an arrangement with a body building company down the road from Overland's factory. When demand at the body company was low, they would order an Overland chassis (or several) which would be driven down the road to their shop. Then outfitted with a speedster type body and fenders. Those cars were then offered for sale through Overland dealerships! They were a win-win for both companies.
I zoomed way in to the photo, initially looking at the non Ford. But the model Ts is very interesting also!
The radiator and fenders indicate that the car is 1917 or later. However, it may not be? Zooming in close, it clearly is not one's ordinary model T! In spite of the appearance of the top? The doors, the windshield, body moldings, and position of the cowl lights, all say it is a folding top couplet! CLEARLY the top has been replaced, along with some funky side curtain-like things! But that is a couplet body. Probably a 1917, but along with all the other alterations? Maybe the front fenders and radiator were also changed? The rear fenders look a bit flat? Like maybe 1915/'16 rear fenders?
A very interesting era photo!
My first impression was that it was not a Stutz. The Stutz Bearcat was a big car! It was a true muscle car whether the modern muscle car crowd wants to think so or not. It was big, and it was very fast through brute force of a powerful big engine! Also, the fenders varied quite a bit through the several years that series was built. Regardless of specific year, the curve and the slope of the fenders, they were generally a bit wide, very unlike the car pictured above. I also did not recall ever seeing a Stutz Bearcat with a front bill on the fenders like the pictured car has. My quick look through google images showed no fenders on a Stutz like these ones.
Additional not Stutz details include the shift/brake levers aren't the same, and the Stutz seats sit flat on the floor (I know, I have sat in a couple of them!). The pictured car had the seats raised and sloped slightly. It could be possible that someone altered the seat position? But not really likely.
While the pictured car does more closely resemble a Mercer Raceabout? It still doesn't look right to me. While a 1911 Mercer does have a similar front bill on its front fenders? The fenders are otherwise different. The Mercer Raceabout also has the seats sitting flat on the floor, and much more prominent brake/shift levers. Also, the transition from the hood to the miniature cowl is different.
I am not as definite about it not being a Mercer? But my feeling is that it is not.
There were several other automakers offering similar sport roadsters. Paige did in 1912. As I recall, even Marmon had a similar offering. Overland did not build such a car themselves, however, they had an arrangement with a body building company down the road from Overland's factory. When demand at the body company was low, they would order an Overland chassis (or several) which would be driven down the road to their shop. Then outfitted with a speedster type body and fenders. Those cars were then offered for sale through Overland dealerships! They were a win-win for both companies.
I zoomed way in to the photo, initially looking at the non Ford. But the model Ts is very interesting also!
The radiator and fenders indicate that the car is 1917 or later. However, it may not be? Zooming in close, it clearly is not one's ordinary model T! In spite of the appearance of the top? The doors, the windshield, body moldings, and position of the cowl lights, all say it is a folding top couplet! CLEARLY the top has been replaced, along with some funky side curtain-like things! But that is a couplet body. Probably a 1917, but along with all the other alterations? Maybe the front fenders and radiator were also changed? The rear fenders look a bit flat? Like maybe 1915/'16 rear fenders?
A very interesting era photo!