Pie wagon- Old Photo

[Herb Iffrig]

[Dollisdad]

This is the same truck. Literally.

[Tbird]

Cool! Thanks for posting. Definitely the earlier regular body.

[Alan Long]

Looking at this side view prompts me to ask why Ford never moved the rear guards forward a few inches? Doing that and shortening the running boards would make it look a lot nicer. Looks wrong don’t you think ?? Thanks Tom
Alan in Western Australia

[Scott Rosenthal]

Help me out here Mike....what defines the early Delivery body?

[Tbird]

Help me out here Mike....what defines the early Delivery body?

Scott,
So an early delivery body was known as a "Regular Body" as noted on the drawings for the side pillar brace. The regular body only used 4 side pillar braces for the side pillars and 2 rear braces for the rear door jamb section. The braces are simply 5/16" thick steel that are bent to mount to the floor and follow the curvature of the body sides and rear door jamb area. The braces are mounted with 3 step bolts that you can visibly see on the exterior side of the delivery car. On the picture posted above you can see the location of one of the side pillar braces. The other side pillar brace is not visible with the step bolts because it's behind the rear fender. The later body also known as the "Knock-Down Body" used 6 side pillar braces and two rear braces for the door jamb section. On the later bodies you will see more step bolts on the outsides for the other pillars. Later on, a piece of angle iron was added to the front seat riser because of reports of the front seat riser was coming apart. The brace is also held on with step bolts. The major difference between the regular body and the knock down body was the knock down body was made to come apart for ease of transportation for shipping the bodies. The floor, the two sides, the seat box, the roof, the rear door section, and the doors are easily laid flat and can be assembled and bolted together rather easily.

[Scott Rosenthal]

Thanks Mike. Are there differences between the early and later dashboard? I am assuming that the later dash had the lesser steering column angle, where this column mount has eccentric 4 bolt mounting.

[Tbird]

Thanks Mike. Are there differences between the early and later dashboard? I am assuming that the later dash had the lesser steering column angle, where this column mount has eccentric 4 bolt mounting.

The 12's would have had the typical two piece dash. The roof is a fixed height with a height of 46 5/8 from the top of the floor to the bottom of the roof section in the front. The drawings (Regular body) call out for 1911 Touring Car Dash T-1091-B with a 1911 Windshield T-1679-B and the typical 1911 steering gear. I do know that the delivery cars were poor sellers 1,845 sold in 1912 year. Only 513 sold in early fiscal year 1913. Basically the 513 sold were leftover stock from 1912 but sold as 1913's. I have seen other pictures of delivery cars with the one piece dash and the typical 12 windshield with the larger lower pane and smaller upper pane. My guess is the 12 steering column would be on there as well with the offset hole. When did these changes happen on the Delivery car? I don't know... Was there any delivery cars with a knock down body and typical two piece dashes? The only know surviving original with the late knock down body is the one John Regan has (which I have seen in person). Its engine is dated August 1912. I can say that the last revision of the side pillar braces drawing was dated 6/11/12. Was this revision for the knock down bodies? I don't know.