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looking for correct T tools

Post by SteveBoothroyd » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:26 pm

Just wanting to know what tools are correct for my August 24, 1922 T.
I see some variations in some, e.g. square on end of monkey wrench handle; some without square and some with, sparkplug wrench with hollow socket for cylinder head bolts instead of cast in socket, the hubcap wrench also comes in many variations, as does the double open ended wrench.
Thanks for any help, also looking for the same wrenches to purchase.

Best regards,

Steve Boothroyd
Sidney, B.C.
Canada

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Re: looking for correct T tools

Post by DanTreace » Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:00 pm

Steve

Variations exist on tools supplied with the T. But for a typical late 1922, which became the '1923 Model year', this photo shows many of the correct parts.
Approximate tool roll for '20s'.jpg
Approximate tool roll for '20s'.jpg (145.55 KiB) Viewed 2013 times
Contents of the roll would be:

2 tire irons 2340
1 pliers 1903 Ford script, but no 'USA'.
1 hub cap wrench, 1349 Ford script either flat version, or could be left over earlier version with the flanges around the hub cap and front spindle nut openings.
1 spark plug wrench, 2335 Ford script with enclosed end for for head bolts or demountable rim nuts.
1 double end wrench, 1917 Ford script, smaller size script, and no USA, for band nuts
1 adj. or monkey wrench, 1387 Ford script, but with rounded end, the square end is for later Improved car rear axle pipe drain plug
There would be no separate wood handled screwdriver, that was obsolete in Aug. 1921, the tapered end of the pliers acts as that tool.

Other supplied, but out side the tool roll:

1 Tire pump, painted black.
1 Oil Can, copper plated
1 Jack, screw type cast with attached handle.
1 Owners Manual
1 Current year Parts and Price List
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Re: looking for correct T tools

Post by CudaMan » Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:36 pm

I have heard that monkey wrenches with the square extension on the handle are for a Model A Ford. Model T wrenches had a rounded end.

The screwdriver was gone by 1922. One handle of the pliers was tapered to work as a screwdriver.
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Re: looking for correct T tools

Post by speedytinc » Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:41 pm

27's & mid to late 26's do have the square pipe plug in the rear end.
Square ended monkey wrench replaced the rounded end.


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Re: looking for correct T tools

Post by Allan » Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:09 pm

Our Canadian sourced cars should be like yours. The open end ring spanner on the plug wrench is correct. The rounded end adjustable wrench likewise. If you have room put one of each variant of the hubcap wrench in. If you find a 3 hole one with tapered sides and a larger circle around the hubcap end, I'll swap you that for a 4 hole one :) Just recently I found a T1917 band wrench like no other I have seen. It is the diamond shaped one, with "Made in Canada" cast in either side and under the Ford logo.
The tyre levers shown in Dan's kit are the usual suspects, but there are others, particularly for a Canadian car. They are a similar size and shape, but stamped into the stem is the Ford logo, made in Canada, and the factory number. [not the part number]. I have one extra of these I could sell.
The screw type jacks we have were made by two different manufacturers. One was Auto Specialties. The more desirable ones have a flip in extension which compensates for the differing heights of the front and back axles.
I will try to get photos later.

Allan from down under.

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Re: looking for correct T tools

Post by Steve Jelf » Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:46 pm

John Regan's #1349 drawings are here:

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/17 ... 208547.pdf

Some of his small octagons should be hexagons, but he gives you the dates.

The tire pump is shown here, except that originally it would have been painted black like the one in Dan's picture:
https://dauntlessgeezer.com/DG115.html

I believe the #2335 wrench in Dan's photo is the teens version. Yours should look like this, but without the rust:

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Re: looking for correct T tools

Post by Allan » Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:53 am

[Steve these photos show one of my tool rolls.
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The tyre levers in the separate photo have the factory number T4069 stamped into them.
The T1917 open end wrench is the one I found recently. I have never seen another with Made in Canada stamped in it.

Allan from down under.
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Re: looking for correct T tools

Post by SteveBoothroyd » Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:59 pm

Thanks to everyone who replied with info and pics of the standard ford tools that came with my US build 1922 touring car; I really learned a lot.

Regards,

Steve Boothroyd


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Re: looking for correct T tools

Post by John kuehn » Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:30 pm

I also agree with Steve Jelf about the original tire irons. But I suppose there are folks out there that use the original tire irons “just cause” they are the originals. Go to Harbour Freight and buy the China irons they do work much better than the originals.


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Re: looking for correct T tools

Post by Original Smith » Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:00 pm

Why not try posting this ad on the classified section?


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Re: looking for correct T tools

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:33 pm

Original Smith wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:00 pm
Why not try posting this ad on the classified section?
Because it's not a Want ad. He's asking what tools are correct for his car. Got anything to add, to help him out?


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Re: looking for correct T tools

Post by Original Smith » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:49 pm

I've used the Ford parts books for this purpose. They show the pictures, but most of the time they are a year behind what was actually supplied with your car.

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