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- First Name: Edwin
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Pan question
I’m probably missing something really easy….. and I appreciate you guys helping out the simple minded….What’s with all the sloppy braising on the pan?…. The inside of the oil pan is pristine, so there were no pin holes….rust or anything like that that needed repair.
Was that done in the factory in addition to the rivets?
Thanks in advance!
Ed
Was that done in the factory in addition to the rivets?
Thanks in advance!
Ed
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Re: Pan question
They were very slopy at the factory when it came to brazing. It didn't affect the quality of the product.
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Re: Pan question
The sloppy brazing on the pan is pretty much a Ford trademark!
That’s the way they did it!
They used a torch and slopped on the brass good enough and that was it. It did the job and that was it.
There have been posters asking that question before and some have smoothed it out or lightly machined it off before they knew it was “original”; to the pan.
That’s the way they did it!
They used a torch and slopped on the brass good enough and that was it. It did the job and that was it.
There have been posters asking that question before and some have smoothed it out or lightly machined it off before they knew it was “original”; to the pan.
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Re: Pan question
Just out of curiosity, as I haven't examined all that many pans, but it seems to me from the photos Edwin posted, his pan may have added brazing ? They were sloppy with it in the factory for sure, but that's a lot more than I've seen before. As the saying goes, "Don't hurt the runnin' of it none !"
What do you fellows who have seen scores of pans say ?

Get a horse !
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Re: Pan question
Do you think Henry would pay someone to make the underside of an engine pretty?
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Re: Pan question
Ed, you’re really cleaning up that pan and that’s great but before you paint it you should see if anyone close to you has a pan table to make sure your pan is straight. It could minimize problems once your engine is ready to assemble.
Hope there is one around your area. Best John
Hope there is one around your area. Best John
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Re: Pan question
Here’s a photo of a pan after it was cleaned up and getting straightened on a pan jig.
There are others on the forum showing different flowed on brazing jobs on pans. Would a Rolls Royce factory do it like this? Probably not. It’s a reminder of Ford saving time and money and as many T’s were being built it’s a wonder they did the job that they did and as well as they did.
I found this photo on the forum but someone posted a photo of the brazing job being done. The guy was using a blow torch and it must have been a HOT job doing it all day with that much heat coming off the pan to get the brass to flow! I couldn’t find that assembly photo but it’s there on the forum somewhere.
There are others on the forum showing different flowed on brazing jobs on pans. Would a Rolls Royce factory do it like this? Probably not. It’s a reminder of Ford saving time and money and as many T’s were being built it’s a wonder they did the job that they did and as well as they did.
I found this photo on the forum but someone posted a photo of the brazing job being done. The guy was using a blow torch and it must have been a HOT job doing it all day with that much heat coming off the pan to get the brass to flow! I couldn’t find that assembly photo but it’s there on the forum somewhere.