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Several Questions

Post by BLB27 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 12:48 pm

Yesterday I drove my 1927 coupe 7 miles for the first time in six months. Question 1: At times, the engine backfired and coupe lurched badly in high gear. What are the main causes of backfiring?

Question 2: I checked the temperature of the upper part of the radiator. It was 214F. The temp of the head was 214F. The temperature of the exhaust manifold was 400F. The air temp was 74F. I assume these temps are normal, correct?





































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Re: Several Questions

Post by Daisy Mae » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:50 pm

Temps are acceptable...lurching & backfiring = lean mixture
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Re: Several Questions

Post by speedytinc » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:54 pm

Do you have a heat pipe?
Hi humidity can freeze the intake on a non vaporizer motor.

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Re: Several Questions

Post by Humblej » Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:01 pm

Bruce,
A bad ignition switch or a loose connection will do that. If the ignition is momentarily cut off under load and back on again you will have a momentary loss of power followed by a gunshot and then normal performance until it cuts back out again. Good way to blow a muffler apart. That happen to me, had the switch restored and problem solved.


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Re: Several Questions

Post by BLB27 » Sun Jul 07, 2024 10:14 pm

I think we determined the cause of the backfiring and lurching. After we got back to the garage, my grandson noticed that the back clamp that holds the cover to the coil box was loose. The front clamp was tight.


Today, we drove the coupe with cover off and the engine ran fine. We then put the cover back on with the back clamp loose and experienced misfiring, but no backfiring. I would appreciate thoughts on what is going on.

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Re: Several Questions

Post by Steve Jelf » Sun Jul 07, 2024 10:50 pm

It was 214F. The temp of the head was 214F.

Boiling point at sea level is 212ºF. Somebody who knows better can correct me, but I think a cooling system that's working properly should keep you not only below the boiling point, but under 200º.

Today, we drove the coupe with cover off and the engine ran fine. We then put the cover back on with the back clamp loose and experienced misfiring, but no backfiring. I would appreciate thoughts on what is going on.

My guess would be loose coils not keeping proper contact at all points. The cover isn't just to keep dust out. It's also supposed to keep the coils where they have good, steady contact. Or maybe the loose cover is touching the business end of the coils.
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Re: Several Questions

Post by TXGOAT2 » Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:15 am

In addition to the above, running the engine with the spark set too late can cause it to run hot and have reduced power. It can also cause backfire through the carburetor. Be sure your spark lever linkage is adjusted correctly and that you are advancing the spark enough when up to speed on the open road. Above 20 to 25 MPH, the spark lever should be at or near full advance, especially if running on battery.


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Re: Several Questions

Post by mtntee20 » Mon Jul 08, 2024 9:37 am

Look for any evidence of arcing between a coil and the box lid, particularly the prongs that hold the coils down tight. I've seen this on my '27 and on other's coils. Spark erosion is pretty easy to see and would cause at least a miss in the engine. May or May Not be consistent.

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Re: Several Questions

Post by signsup » Mon Jul 08, 2024 10:12 am

Are you running gas with ethynol in it? Or are you running "clean" gas? If the issue comes and goes, probably not fuel related, but my first thought after reading not driven in 6 months was the possibility of fuel gumming up the jets in the carb slightly and creating some issues. If you are running fuel with ethynol in it, might not hurt to just spray some carb cleaner through the carb while running a high idle. JMO
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Re: Several Questions

Post by Norman Kling » Mon Jul 08, 2024 10:54 am

I don't know how the gas in your state is, but here in California, if you leave unburnt gas in the carburetor or fuel line for more than a few months it will jell up and plug things up. It could be clogged carburetor passages or a clogged fuel line. Too lean a mixture would cause it to run hot.
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Re: Several Questions

Post by Oldav8tor » Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:00 am

Isn't it also true that a too-rich mixture can send unburned fuel out the exhaust that can ignite and backfire?
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Re: Several Questions

Post by John Codman » Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:40 am

IMHO 214 is way too hot.


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Re: Several Questions

Post by TXGOAT2 » Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:46 am

I agree... the car should run around 180 to 190 F under most conditions. Late timing and other things mentioned can promote over heating.


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Re: Several Questions

Post by BLB27 » Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:26 pm

Should I measure the radiator temp while the engine is running?

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Re: Several Questions

Post by Steve Jelf » Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:51 pm

Yes. If it still reads 214º F it's 20º or more over where it should be. Fixing that can be ea$y or it can be co$$$$tly. If you're finding 214º and there's no boiling I don't trust your thermometer.
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Re: Several Questions

Post by Art M » Mon Jul 08, 2024 3:53 pm

Antifreeze will increase the boiling temperature, but I agree, the thermometer should be checked.

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