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Transmission 1927 pickup questions

Post by infotfordnl » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:11 pm

Hello all,
I have some questions and need some advice, I have taken out my transmission because a had a lot of drag, and I dont trust the inside of the transmission, the bands ware not totaly till the end of the finger and some more things.
I was scared if I don,t do this there will be dammage in this transmission, and it is better to be a bit early than to late
so I take out the motor and now take out the drums.
I am happy that I did this because I came across some Items who is better to solve now.
One of the clutch plates was broken, not total but a finger, there was metal of wiering in the bottum of the gearbox (did no harm..)
(sorry for my bad englisch..)
any way for this moment I have this questions
I found 1 driven gear sleve washer, and I thought there should be 3 of them..
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2 flance bussings are sticket to the pins, what is very wrong I think, you can see on this pickture, I have to get them off
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some of the magnet plates (square) are not tighten, I can move them a bit
evenso the magneto coils are not covered very good anymore, but they work, I tested it, so what to do with the outside of this coils, any suggestions?
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At last for this moment,
the screws of the big-end are not secured with something, but not all the holes in the bolts are in the position to be secured,
I think it is in this situation a long time, so I gues the bolts are good tightened, but what schould I do now with this situation.
Dont like to unscrew them..
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what to do?
the motor runs good, totaly no smoke and a good sound
Hope some one has exprience with this and will help me out with ideas and suggestions
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Post by Mindless Automaton » Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:29 pm

The transmission washer, if the transmission fits together well without the other 2 washers, then you will not need them.

The triple gear bushings. Having them stick to the pins is fairly common. They can be repaired, or replaced. Try not to remove the pins however.
If the pins are left in the flywheel, and the bushings removed, you should be able to fit new bushings into the gears. A good figure for clearance is 0.004 thousand's of an inch. Very unlikely to bind, plenty of room for oil, and a little movement won't hurt the transmission.

The coil covering. For me? I put gasket shellac over them. The kind made from beetles and dissolved in alcohol.
It is possible to buy rewound coils that are soaked in epoxy resin but considering your location is far from the USA where rebuild coils are commonly available, this may be inconvenient. Hence the shellac might be easier for you.
Soak up as much oil from them as you can using a rag soaked in paint thinners or oil remover before you apply the shellac.

One thing you should fix, even if you left the rest of the engine untouched, is those magnet squares.
New brass screws should hold them down nicely.

The big ends appear, to me at least, to have an early form of locknut on them. If you don't want to loosen them, you do not have to, leave them as they are.
If you did choose to loosen them and use different nuts I doubt you'd cause them any harm. But it's not necessary.

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Post by infotfordnl » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:28 am

thanks for your replay, I Will use this advice
Come back later with more questions
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Post by infotfordnl » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:33 am

To tighten bolts in the transmission, does any body use Loctite also?
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Post by JWalters » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:03 am

infotfordnl wrote:
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To tighten bolts in the transmission, does any body use Loctite also?
If they are properly safety wired I don't see any reason to.

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Post by infotfordnl » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:26 am

Thanks
Does anybody know what is the minium thiknes a low drum can be?
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This is the inside of my brake drum, I don`t find any brake drum shoes...
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Post by Bob Williams » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:47 pm

infotfordnl wrote:
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This is the inside of my brake drum, I don`t find any brake drum shoes...
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Bert, All the 1926-27 brake drums I have seen was machined like this for the shoes. Yours don’t look to have been machined for shoes.
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Post by Steve Jelf » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:38 am

Bert, are you sure you have a 1927 brake drum? I can't be sure from the pictures.

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The lugs on 26-27 brake drums have steel shoes to protect them from being worn by the clutch disks.

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The sides of the drum extend out past the lugs.

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The 26-27 brake drum is about 1⁷⁄₈" wide (498mm). It's much wider than the low drum.
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Post by infotfordnl » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:14 pm

Steve, thanks for your imput
see better picktures of my brake drum
it is the big one (1927 type) 498mm, but never machined, the rivets are lose and it looks the are installed later.
so they did something with this drum in the past
wat do you suggest to do now
thanks
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Post by Scott_Conger » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:27 pm

That drum had been built without the brake lugs installed. It's machined for them, but they were not installed at the last rebuild. You can see that the extra radial slop allowed by these missing lugs has allowed the discs to move around such that they have chewed up the bolt lugs, too.
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Post by Steve Jelf » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:29 pm

I have no experience working on a 26-27 transmission, but I know you can buy steel lug shoes. I would buy a set and use them.
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Post by infotfordnl » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:33 pm

Scot, are you sure?
because I am missing this hooks in the drum, thats say that the are not machined origional for the shoes..
or am I wrong
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Post by infotfordnl » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:47 pm

Steve yes i wil order this shoes
point is that I try to figger out how it is possible that my drum who is the big one not have this shoes installed.
I think the drum is not produced for this shoes,
I can make then im but that means there are different drums model 26-27 cars..
as far I can see..
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Post by infotfordnl » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:53 pm

Scot do you have some mesures for me (a).
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Post by Scott_Conger » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:07 pm

I do not. I am sorry. Someone will have the value and post it soon, I'm sure.
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infotfordnl wrote:
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Scot, are you sure?
because I am missing this hooks in the drum, thats say that the are not machined origional for the shoes..
or am I wrong

Bert, Those machined in hooks for the shoes are to stop the shoes from sliding toward the flywheel. Without this catch the shoes are free to move out of place and cause a mess in the transmission. I would not put shoes on this drum without something to hold them in place.

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Post by RajoRacer » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:24 pm

His drum does not have the indent for the replaceable shoe to lock in.


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Post by Mindless Automaton » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:38 pm

If it were mine, I'd drill a small indent in the lug and center punch a matching dimple in the shoe where the clutch exerts no force. And then lock-tight the shoes in place.


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Post by Scott_Conger » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:43 pm

You all are right about the lock-groove. I missed that entirely. I think this drum has a future as a band-shaping mandrel, but not as a brake drum. I know replacement in that part of the world will be an expensive proposition, but it is looking more and more like a replacement needs to be found.
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Post by infotfordnl » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:31 pm

Thanks all for the imput,
I hope someone can tell me what the measures are for
A
B
C
than I can see what I can do here to solve this, maybe I can machine all in a way the shoes will be fit
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Post by Original Smith » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:59 am

I have seen one wide brake drum without shoes. It must have been a very early one. Ford even offered a narrow drum with shoes in mid 1926. They show up occasionally.

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Post by aboer » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:57 am

Bert ; Hier de volgende maten :
A : 36 mm
B : 9,6 mm
C : 11,5 mm
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Post by Adam » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:05 pm

First you need to properly re-rivet the drum to the shaft.

Then you would have to set that drum up on a rotary table on a Bridgeport type milling machine with a shaper attachment and re-machine the sides of the “lugs” to be precisely the correct width and with sides that are precisely spaced 60 degrees from each other.

Then, the entire drum can be set up on a mandrel, between centers, on a lathe, and the groove for the lug retainer can be cut and the outer surface of the drum machined concentric with the inside bore of the shaft. The drum can also be faced at this time to reduce/eliminate runout of the driving plate shaft at the fourth main.

Probably about 1 days worth of work at an industrial machine shop...


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Post by Allan » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:07 pm

I don't think that drum has ever been machined to take the shoes. When compared with photos of the shoes in place, the lug on the drum is much closer to square than on the suspect drum. The ratio of height to width is quite different. That may also explain why there is no relief for the locating device on the lug. It means that there should be ample material left for the drum to be machined to take lugs, but at what expense? A replacement may well be the best/most economical answer.

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Post by infotfordnl » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:33 am

Toon,
wat is de buitendiameter van maat B?

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Post by infotfordnl » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:48 am

Allan, Adam,
I think at the end your right, but first I will try it on a simple way, I have some ideas to do this job with simple instruments like mine collom drill, come back later with this, first I had to order some tools and a water cutted plate to folow the correct lines.
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Post by aboer » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:59 am

Bert ; De buiten diameter van B is : 12,45 mm
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Post by infotfordnl » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:45 pm

Dat is exact wat mijn buiten maat was van de drum, komt dus overeen
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Post by Kohnke Rebabbitting » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:29 pm

I think the reason that your Disc Drum has only one thrust washer, is that it is an earlier one, using a brass washer.

They just about take two, but not quite. If you machine .015 off the under side, it should take all three thrust washers.

Set the end play to .015.

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Post by infotfordnl » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:20 am

Thanks Herman,
now I have to wait till my parts are here in holland, then fit all together end make the mesurements.
it will take more than 2-3 weeks before all is ready I suppose, but will keep you informed in this Topic,
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Post by infotfordnl » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:22 am

Does any body know what is the RAL collor number of the engine (light green)
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Post by JacolbEdwards » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:22 pm

The washers are need ther is a clearance that must be obtain between the clutch basket and the brake drum

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Post by DanTreace » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:13 pm

Would think this is a close match

RAL 6003 Olive green
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Post by infotfordnl » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:15 am

thanks
whitch part of the air intake sould be green also?
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Post by infotfordnl » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:58 am

Another point of thing
I had to order a lot of things for rebuilding, in my orderlist I have the turbo 400 clutch..
but I like orgionalety, but dont want the drag, because it hard to start the engine when is cold.
dont want (or like) to lift the rear wheel..., want to drive also when the temp is down.
Before ordering I had to make an dissision regarding this matter
all metal plates like origional or the turbo 400.
Has someone an idea what is the best.. and what are the plus and mins of both
Its difficult for me because I have no experience at all
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Post by DanTreace » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:50 am

That Olive Green color was first used at the time the Ford Vaporizer carb became standard, so the air intake and manifold describes the parts of the Vaporizer that were painted green.
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As for clutch discs, NEW original metal style are certainly very good, and will function well.

Many have opinions on replacements, esp. if worn original discs are to be re-used.

Have no experience with the Turbo 400 disc set sold with the special clutch drum, that drum has many more lugs on the drum outer surface, as the composite modern automatic transmission discs are unmodified.

IMO, the use of the modified or 'jack rabbit' ( all but 6 lugs trimmed off... to fit the original Ford clutch drum) performance composition turbo disc , with the crosshatched surface, mated with good used Ford large disc provides a very good clutch. Have been satisfactory for years in my T's.

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Post by JWalters » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:55 am

Bert, The Turbo-400 disc are the best setup. This clutch when setup right and not allowed to slip will give you the best neutral for your T and will last many thousands of miles. I would never recommend that anyone working on the transmission to use the original steel discs setup. The original steel disc setup will always drag no matter what you do.

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Post by Mindless Automaton » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:14 am

Wrong, the steel disk clutch is fine if you have even the slightest competency at adjusting anything.
That old fuddy who never passes an opportunity to push turbo400s under people noses is nothing but a troll or doesn't know what end of a screwdriver is the handle.


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Post by Allan » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:06 am

Kep, for a 'mindless automaton' to make such judgemental observations indicates there is some kind of mind at work. I would suggest that that mind would be of greater benefit to the hobby if it exercised a little restraint.

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Post by infotfordnl » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:33 am

I thought already there are different mind in the use of the origional or turbo 400 clutch.
thats why I asked it in this forum, to learn what are the differt ideas and experiance, only to learn and get an own oppinion.
the most importand reason for me is that I want to have as minium as possible drag, also with a cold motor, because I am living in the lowlands and it is cold over her brrrr.
Origionalety is also importand for me, is it possible with the correct oil 5w30 or something, with new metal discs to have nearly till no drag?
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Post by infotfordnl » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:39 am

valve question,
I have in all the valves aprox 0.70 mm
I think it to wide? or am I wrong?
the book says 0.010 inch inlet = 0.254 mm
outlet 0.012 inch exhaust = 0.30mm
is that correct for a 1927 T
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Re: Transmission 1927 pickup questions

Post by JWalters » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:52 am

Mindless Automaton wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:29 pm
The transmission washer, if the transmission fits together well without the other 2 washers, then you will not need them.
Wrong mindless, The transmission should have 3 washers fitted with 0.015 end play.
Mindless Automaton wrote:
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The coil covering. For me? I put gasket shellac over them. The kind made from beetles and dissolved in alcohol.
Wrong mindless, Nothing will stick well to the oil soaked coils.
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If it were mine, I'd drill a small indent in the lug and center punch a matching dimple in the shoe where the clutch exerts no force. And then lock-tight the shoes in place.
Mindless, Why not fix it correctly instead of rigging it for failure?
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Wrong, the steel disk clutch is fine if you have even the slightest competency at adjusting anything.
Wrong again mindless! An all metal clutch will always have drag. That’s why the lined disc was designed.


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Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:09 pm

JWalters

Re: 2 washers; read H Kohnk's reply and you may wish to revisit your admonition to Kep.
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Re: Transmission 1927 pickup questions

Post by JWalters » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:17 pm

Scott_conger wrote:
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JWalters
Re: 2 washers; read H Kohnk's reply and you may wish to revisit your admonition to Kep.
Kohnke Rebabbitting wrote:
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If you machine .015 off the under side, it should take all three thrust washers.
Set the end play to .015.

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Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:48 pm

Yes, as Herm said, if he machined material off, 3 washers would fit. The point is, there were drums that had entirely different dimensions where' they had flanged bushings, later did not. Early drums require modification or other specific alteration to fit all 3 washers, as they in fact did NOT have 3 washers as designed. This is a caveat to your statement that transmissions take 3 washers. It is true that most do, and likely this one, too. But not all transmissions take 3 washers. In this case, this particular drum is a peculiar nearly one-off in it's manufacture, and honestly, sitting on the other side of the world, staring at a computer screen, I suggest that none of us knows "exactly" what to do with this particular drum, until the OP puts this thing together. It is an odd-ball, indeed. Condition and alteration that the transmission shaft has undergone figures into this as well. The washers, 2 or 3, are important, the .015" endshake is important, and the relative axial position of the clutch basket to the drum lugs is important, too. The totality of parts functions as a system, and this one is likely different than what most of us has seen.
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Re: Transmission 1927 pickup questions

Post by JWalters » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:00 pm

Scott_conger wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:48 pm

The point is, there were drums that had entirely different dimensions where' they had flanged bushings, later did not. Early drums require modification or other specific alteration to fit all 3 washers, as they in fact did NOT have 3 washers as designed. This is a caveat to your statement that transmissions take 3 washers. It is true that most do, and likely this one, too. But not all transmissions take 3 washers.
I never said all transmissions take 3 washers. I’m aware of the earlier transmission designs.


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In this case, this particular drum is a peculiar nearly one-off in it's manufacture, and honestly, sitting on the other side of the world, staring at a computer screen, I suggest that none of us knows "exactly" what to do with this particular drum, until the OP puts this thing together. It is an odd-ball, indeed. Condition and alteration that the transmission shaft has undergone figures into this as well. The washers, 2 or 3, are important, the .015" endshake is important, and the relative axial position of the clutch basket to the drum lugs is important, too. The totality of parts functions as a system, and this one is likely different than what most of us has seen.
I agree its an oddball for sure and may not take 3 washers but in general 1926-27 transmissions have 3 washers.

Scott, I do have a question for you tho. Didn’t ford start putting shoes on the small brake drums in late 1925?


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Post by Scott_Conger » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:21 pm

Yes, they did, though I have never seen one personally. I don't think there are too many remaining, or it would be better known.
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Post by RajoRacer » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:36 pm

I have a '25 brake drum w/replaceable shoes - came out of a tear-down.


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Post by Allan » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:15 pm

The really weird thing is the shoes were introduced in the late 25 model narrow brake drums, before being carried over to the wider drums in the 26-7 models. If this is a genuine Ford drum, it is truly an anachronism.

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Post by Scott_Conger » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:36 am

Allen

makes one wonder if this is possibly partly completed stock that was surplussed and found it's way to a NOS flea market table in the '70's. If that is the case, there may be other missing machined features leading to the "one washer" issue. I have seen pitman arms missing the woodruff slot and other similarly odd or incompleted parts. This may be similar.
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Post by infotfordnl » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:58 am

Allan, Scott,
The rivits of this drum where lose, so I think that the previos owner install this drum later.
He told me he did the restauration 30-40-50 years ago, thats comparring with the 1970 idea of a rare stock drum.
I dont see a print of ford in the drum, but T709. inside an 8 and outsite an 7
what is normal? is it an aftermarked drum in that days?
I will send another 5 pictures of this drum, if you see something what is nog comapring with normal drums, please tell me
evenso tell me where I had the grind of material to get the 2 or 3 washers and the 0.015" space
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Post by Allan » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:11 am

Scott, I can't see the drum being 'partly machined'. It does not make sense to machine the lugs so far and then have another go to get them to lug size. I could understand them being lug sized but missing the step for the locator. That may have been a separate operation.
I need to have a look at a couple of original 26-7 drums in the morning to see how they compare with the new photos.

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Post by Scott_Conger » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:41 am

Allan

in retrospect, I think I can agree with you regarding the lugs not being partially machined. My reasoning was not especially well thought out the other day.

I keep looking at the pictures and continue to ask myself, if the lugs are in FACT machined properly for width and simply not notched for the keeper-tabs. The worn lugs in the last pictures posted sure look skinny to the point that a shoe would fit. Really hard to say from a picture. I wonder if the drawings ever had an official version where there was no retaining notch in the shoes? I have little experience with later transmissions with the exception of one that is in my 1923 (yes I am aware that it doesn't belong there, but it was, and is, and performs just fine with an earlier hog's head and narrow band. I didn't bother turning the drum down as it fits the pan with a skosch to spare). That is the only wide-drum transmission I've ever rebuilt. All the others I've done were 1919 or earlier.
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Post by DanTreace » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:49 pm

Photo of J&M new '26-'27 large drum shows the base of the small lug for the shoes as having an end stop. But the early Ford version has no end stop, so that isn't really needed......IF and that is big IF, the small lug has full surface without any wear, so that the new shoe will fit tight, and crimp fully on the lug.

The old worn drum shows severe wear away of the small lug, IMO a shoe cannot be fit to those. A new drum is needed.
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Post by Scott_Conger » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:00 pm

Dan

I agree with your assesment that the drum is done for. My interest in lug width is mostly a "what went wrong here" rehetorical rambling. I more and more think my original belief that the lug is narrow enough for a shoe is correct and that they were simply missing on the last rebuild. Yes, I realize there is no retaining groove for the lug. I cannot account for that and may be the reason no shoes were installed. Your NOS drum is a neat artifact. That sort of stuff was common in the '70's when dad started in the hobby, but sure not so much now!
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Post by infotfordnl » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:56 pm

Gentleman, the origional measere of the lug is the same as the outside measure of the shoe, this drum is produced for no shoe using... with all the imput thats sure for me,
I understand that it is very rare
Maybe a not finisched serie, or a small aftermarked production... there should be more of them..
the situation now is that I will try to machine the logs so the shoes will fit, I will show you the result, but that will be over 2-3 weeks.
Tomorrow first a small holiday and days to think over
Ha thanks all for the interest in this
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Post by Mindless Automaton » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:42 am

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An all metal clutch will always have drag. That’s why the lined disc was designed.
I doubt people bought 15 million cars with stuck clutches.
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Have you considered getting a hobby outside of trolling?
Every time I make a post you come trolling along! Fun hobby for you mindless? Buzz off Troll!


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Take your own advice.
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Mindless Automaton wrote:
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I built 2 model T's to prove old bigoted men like you wrong. And I did, go cry now.
You didn't prove anything other than you being a hypocrite! :lol:

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