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where did this come from???

Post by halftracknut » Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:39 pm

I found this in my oli screen...scary...any thoughts? thanks rl
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Re: where did this come from???

Post by got10carz » Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:02 pm

My best guess is that it is a clip that goes inside the brake drum that the clutch discs ride on. If that is what it is there are more pieces missing. This part would only be in late 25 to 27 transmissions.


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Post by got10carz » Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:18 pm

Think I will take that back. There doesn't appear to be a detent to ( lock ) it in place.


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Re: where did this come from???

Post by halftracknut » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:02 pm

my low gear makes bad grinding noise

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Re: where did this come from???

Post by DanTreace » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:13 pm

Might be a chunk out of your low drum ? :roll:


Just talked to a T guy in town, his made a racket from the trans, shut down. Flatbed the T to the auto shop where his son works. Opened the cover over hogshead. They pulled a piece today that was flat with hole on end, and his T has distubator and no magneto innards.

Seems from phone discussion it may be a wayward home made flapper from the flywheel, as he saw three on it and space where another should be. Going to see it on Wed. and get the details.

Update:

Just got back from looking over Fred's '26 runabout, and the piece of metals found that were causing the noise in low pedal. Sure enough.

The parts are from a 'slinger ' added when the magneto was removed. Shop guy Craig found 3 more on the flywheel edge, he tried to move them but they are still snug, so plan is to button up the cover and get by as the others will likely stay in place with luck. If one more comes loose, then pull engine time.
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Re: where did this come from???

Post by Art Wilson » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:13 am

With the magnets removed from the flywheel, it is common to add flappers to churn the oil. Contrary to what many people think, the flappers are not needed, especially if there is a starter ring gear installed. Also, the flappers are prone to breakage if not built strong enough. I have seen that happen.

I have run our car for many years without flappers. A while back, on one leg of a tour we drove between 40 and 45 MPH for 140 miles. It was a busy 2 lane road with lots of semi trucks, and we were trying to not impede the traffic. While the car made it just fine, the four occupants of the car wished they had chosen something different to do for that day.

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Re: where did this come from???

Post by Richard G » Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:42 pm

THAT HUNK OF STEEL LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE THE TIP OF A BAND, THEY DID MAKE THREE TYPES THAT I KNOW OF BUTTON---SLOT---AND I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE THIRD, BUT THE END OF THE BAND LINK HAD A TAB THAT FIT INTO A HOLE , I WOULD LOOK AT YOUR BANDS. HOPE THIS IS HELPFUL.


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Re: where did this come from???

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:06 pm

Whatever it is, it looks as if it's been through the gears, hence noisy low gear??

Can you post a better, larger picture? One that fills the whole frame? I know we can click on it and zoom, but still it's hard to decipher what we're seeing.


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Re: where did this come from???

Post by John kuehn » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:44 pm

The shinier side of the piece looks like it has a curvature to it going by the pic. That makes me think of a piece of one of the drums. Maybe take the transmission inspection cover off and have someone slowly turn the engine over to what may be broken? That’s what I would do.


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Re: where did this come from???

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:48 am

How thick is it? Is it steel, or cast iron?


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Re: where did this come from???

Post by SteveTN » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:31 pm

ok. so per Dan its a slinger. Is it not going to be thrown out of balance without removing the others?
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Re: where did this come from???

Post by halftracknut » Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:37 pm

Well I found out what is was a part of...transmission brake drum shoe...which let the steel clutches get bound up also..and took out two teeth on one triple gear a 0ne tooth one another...it's been a fun day...that's why they call it a hobby....Happy motoring rl


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Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:02 pm

halftracknut wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:37 pm
Well I found out what is was a part of...transmission brake drum shoe...which let the steel clutches get bound up also..and took out two teeth on one triple gear a 0ne tooth one another...it's been a fun day...that's why they call it a hobby....Happy motoring rl
So, what is Dan's posting above all about? That's not your car he's referring to? I give up...


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Post by Scott_Conger » Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:26 pm

Kudos to Steve M for diagnosing it right away. Steve, I'll bet you can see the detent now, knowing that you were right...right?
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Post by DanTreace » Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:45 pm

So, what is Dan's posting above all about? That's not your car he's referring to? I give up...


Jerry.

Guess perhaps I treaded on Randy's original post. I had made observation in my reply post that maybe the metal piece was a chunk out of Randy's (low) drum . Seems it was from a drum, but as Randy posted, a shoe from his brake drum.

Sorry for the mention of what other metal can get loose in the tranny. Just happened the same day of the post a buddy had called me about a similar noise too.

Just adding to our T fun ....that's what my posting was all about. :cry:
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Re: where did this come from???

Post by halftracknut » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:52 am

Dan, Your post on tranny trouble was great. Just go to show that a model t transmission does not like loose metal...two years ago my farm T lost a magnet now I am talking a mess! ....but they are easy to work on....that is why I love this hobby..... :o :shock: rl


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Re: where did this come from???

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:25 am

DanTreace wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:45 pm
So, what is Dan's posting above all about? That's not your car he's referring to? I give up...


Jerry.

Guess perhaps I treaded on Randy's original post. I had made observation in my reply post that maybe the metal piece was a chunk out of Randy's (low) drum . Seems it was from a drum, but as Randy posted, a shoe from his brake drum.

Sorry for the mention of what other metal can get loose in the tranny. Just happened the same day of the post a buddy had called me about a similar noise too.

Just adding to our T fun ....that's what my posting was all about. :cry:
No problem Dan. I get confused easily :)

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Re: where did this come from???

Post by Dan Hatch » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:05 pm

Do you know the age of the clip? Years ago there were a batch of bad ones that were made wrong. You may have a set of them. Dan


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Re: where did this come from???

Post by halftracknut » Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:34 pm

I do not know the age of the clip...strange thing is it was the only one in it...and the pressure plate bolts were not wired and loose...the clutch disc were about all sticking together and very blue...the truck was running fine the morning this happened went out after lunch and bang grind grind bang so I shut it down and pulled it back in shop with tractor...took engine out and down and found the part of shoe and no other steel pieces and four teeth broke from two triple gears and found I think a bent or cracked tooth on the driven gear and skinned up my coil ring just a little....odd to say the least...however all is cleaned and repaired just waiting on new clutch discs, gaskets etc...( I did find that the triple gears were very loose on shaft from worn bushings, new bushings a good gears fixed this.) I think sometime in past someone made mistakes putting this together...rl ( The dropped magnet a couple of years ago was much worse)
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Re: where did this come from???

Post by halftracknut » Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:38 pm

thought you might get a kick out of photo... :shock:
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...As Sergent Preston would say "well king this case is closed"......rl

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