Ruckstell shift lock lube question resolved thanks

Discuss all things Model T related.
Forum rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules
User avatar

Topic author
DanTreace
Posts: 3813
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:56 am
First Name: Dan
Last Name: Treace
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: ‘12 open express,'23 cutoff, '27 touring
Location: North Central FL
Board Member Since: 2000
Contact:

Ruckstell shift lock lube question resolved thanks

Post by DanTreace » Mon Dec 30, 2024 12:52 pm

Am changing the Ruckstell axle lube for maintenance, and want to also lubricate the long-nose shift lock, as understand that should be done time to time and haven't done it before.

Any hints on doing this to the shift lock. Don't want to mess up the action. Is unbolting the shift lock and pulling it completely away from the axle housing the method? Does the Ruckstell need to be shifted in or out? Will the shift lock collar or arm place itself back in the correct spot? Have the Ruckstell manual but all it details is assembly of the shift lock when the axle halves are apart for first install.

Maybe over thinking, but don't want more work than just a grease job :)




IMG_8188.jpeg
Last edited by DanTreace on Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:10 pm, edited 2 times in total.
The best way is always the simplest. The attics of the world are cluttered up with complicated failures. Henry Ford
Don’t find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain. Henry Ford

User avatar

George House
Posts: 2814
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:25 pm
First Name: George
Last Name: House
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: ‘10 Maxwell AA, ‘11Hupp Model 20, Two 1914 Ford runabouts, 19 centerdoor, 25 C Cab,26 roadster
Location: Northern Caldwell County TX
MTFCA Life Member: YES
Board Member Since: 1999

Re: Ruckstell shift lock lube qustion

Post by George House » Mon Dec 30, 2024 1:40 pm

I’ve done this before on one of those ‘long nose’ Ruckstell mechanisms. I did it because it was very hard to shift. Turned out, it was dry inside ! Just unhitch the linkage and remove the bolts and shift lock trying not to damage the gasket. Then slobber grease into the housing niche and reinstall.
A Fine is a Tax for Doing Something Wrong….A Tax is a Fine for Doing Something RIGHT 🤔

User avatar

JTT3
Posts: 1855
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:57 am
First Name: John
Last Name: Tannehill
Location: Hot Coffee, MS

Re: Ruckstell shift lock lube qustion

Post by JTT3 » Mon Dec 30, 2024 1:44 pm

Dan you have 2 bolts that locate the brass gear locking notch plate P147, one bolt will have a lock nut on it the other does not. Those must fit into the notches when reassembled or you’re not going to be able to use the Ruckstell. Fairly easy to put back in place once done. Stan Howe would add some grease zerks to long snout shift lock to lubricant his Ruckstell rebuilds. Right before Christmas I rebuilt one of his Ruckstells by adding a 3/1 crown gear & pinion set up with the long snout shift lock.
Best John

Hat Tip to Mark Strange & the late Stan Howe for the pictures
Attachments
IMG_5765.jpeg
IMG_5764.jpeg
IMG_5767.jpeg
IMG_5767.jpeg (87.99 KiB) Viewed 6170 times
Last edited by JTT3 on Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:36 pm, edited 2 times in total.


speedytinc
Posts: 4725
Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:24 pm
First Name: john
Last Name: karvaly
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 14/15 wide track roadster. 23 touring, 27 roadster pickup, 20ish rajo touring
Location: orange, ca
Board Member Since: 2020

Re: Ruckstell shift lock lube qustion

Post by speedytinc » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:01 pm

The plunger screw can be removed & pull the spring & plunger. Grease can be packed in without removing the shift lock body. Lube the plunger well. that's the piece that gets dry, wears & gets stiff. A drop of oil on the shift lever shaft & felt washer also.
That will lube the shifter for a lifetime. Zerks are not necessary IMHO.


Norman Kling
Posts: 4634
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:39 pm
First Name: Norman
Last Name: Kling
Location: Alpine California

Re: Ruckstell shift lock lube qustion

Post by Norman Kling » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:06 pm

I took out the cotter pin on the plug at the end of the tube and removed the spring, then packed the tube with grease and re-installed the plug at the end. The adjustment in or out of plug at the end of the spring will change the tension on the spring. You want it tight enough to keep the lever in place but not so tight it makes it hard to shift. When you get it right, install the cotter pin to hold in place.
Norm

User avatar

Topic author
DanTreace
Posts: 3813
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:56 am
First Name: Dan
Last Name: Treace
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: ‘12 open express,'23 cutoff, '27 touring
Location: North Central FL
Board Member Since: 2000
Contact:

Re: Ruckstell shift lock lube qustion

Post by DanTreace » Mon Dec 30, 2024 3:35 pm

Thanks guys. I’ll do the cotter pin out and unscrew the plug, spring, and plunger. Clean and re-grease and replace the parts. Easier way than off with the whole assembly.
The best way is always the simplest. The attics of the world are cluttered up with complicated failures. Henry Ford
Don’t find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain. Henry Ford


browning
Posts: 143
Joined: Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:34 pm
First Name: David
Last Name: Kahle
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: '26 coupe, '26 touring, ‘14 Staude tractor conversion, '27 coupe, '19 roadster, ’15 speedster, '14 touring
Location: Leeper, Pa.

Re: Ruckstell shift lock lube qustion

Post by browning » Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:06 pm

Dan, I had the same problem when I got my speedster. I could downshift easily but the upshifts were difficult to the point that I thought I might damage something. Kevin Prus advised me to pack the plunger and spring hole with grease and I did, but the problem continued. I lightened up the spring tension but that didn't seem to resolve the problem either. I finally found out that my problem was "operator error". I wasn't releasing the throttle enough and was causing too much drag on the shifter. I never drove a Ruckstell before and hadn't acquired the "touch". Timing the clutch and the throttle along with the shift made the difference. Probably not your problem but good to know.

User avatar

Craig Leach
Posts: 1906
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:22 am
First Name: craig
Last Name: leach
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1919 Firetruck/1922 Speedster
Location: Laveen Az

Re: Ruckstell shift lock lube qustion

Post by Craig Leach » Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:11 pm

Is this issue only with the P158C? I have the P158A on my Ruckstell & don't seem to have a lube issue? It even leaks a little bit out the shaft.
Craig.


speedytinc
Posts: 4725
Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:24 pm
First Name: john
Last Name: karvaly
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 14/15 wide track roadster. 23 touring, 27 roadster pickup, 20ish rajo touring
Location: orange, ca
Board Member Since: 2020

Re: Ruckstell shift lock lube qustion

Post by speedytinc » Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:16 am

Craig Leach wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:11 pm
Is this issue only with the P158C? I have the P158A on my Ruckstell & don't seem to have a lube issue? It even leaks a little bit out the shaft.
Craig.
Yes. The plunger doesn't seem to get enough rear end vapor/oil & can get dry.

User avatar

Craig Leach
Posts: 1906
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:22 am
First Name: craig
Last Name: leach
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1919 Firetruck/1922 Speedster
Location: Laveen Az

Re: Ruckstell shift lock lube qustion

Post by Craig Leach » Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:14 am

Thanks John.
Craig.

User avatar

Topic author
DanTreace
Posts: 3813
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:56 am
First Name: Dan
Last Name: Treace
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: ‘12 open express,'23 cutoff, '27 touring
Location: North Central FL
Board Member Since: 2000
Contact:

Re: Ruckstell shift lock lube question resolved thanks

Post by DanTreace » Sun Jan 05, 2025 10:59 am

Followed advice and can report the Ruckstell shifts just fine now, as lube was helpful.

Rather easy, removed the spring and plunger and packed the nose and housing. There was some residue of old grease, but not much.

Buttered the nose full with a tongue depressor, and then a wooden dowel push stick deep into the housing to be sure of a good pack of dope in there too ;) More added when inserting the plunger and spring.


IMG_8223.jpeg
IMG_8224.jpeg
IMG_8226.jpeg
IMG_8227.jpeg
The best way is always the simplest. The attics of the world are cluttered up with complicated failures. Henry Ford
Don’t find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain. Henry Ford

Post Reply Previous topicNext topic