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Refinishing a set of wheels, my experiences
I recently got done refinishing my wheels on my 22 touring. For the most part, I enjoyed the process. It presented a few challenges, but I learned some things to do, and not do when I do it again.
I decided I wanted to refinish my wheels not too long after I got the car and began working on it. The spokes had been refinished sometime in the past, but it had worn off and did not look that nice anymore, but more importantly the wood had began to show age and had a light gray tone on the surface, being exposed directly to the elements. I wanted to refinish them before they deteriorated any more. They were nice, solid wheels, and I want to keep them that way, there's a good chance they are original and were probably painted black to begin with.
I plan to post pictures and just go through the way I did it. I'm not going to say this is the best way to do it, but rather just to share and hopefully spread ideas for others to do the same.
I decided I wanted to refinish my wheels not too long after I got the car and began working on it. The spokes had been refinished sometime in the past, but it had worn off and did not look that nice anymore, but more importantly the wood had began to show age and had a light gray tone on the surface, being exposed directly to the elements. I wanted to refinish them before they deteriorated any more. They were nice, solid wheels, and I want to keep them that way, there's a good chance they are original and were probably painted black to begin with.
I plan to post pictures and just go through the way I did it. I'm not going to say this is the best way to do it, but rather just to share and hopefully spread ideas for others to do the same.
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Re: Refinishing a set of wheels, my experiences
I began by removing the tires and wheels from the car. I took out the inner bearings with a punch and a tap of a hammer.
I them removed the outer hub plates from all four wheels. I wanted to clean and inspect them, remove the races and paint them anyway. I removed the hubs by tapping on the ends of the hub with a hammer, for the rear wheels. I supported the wheel by hanging it over the edge of a bench.
I also placed a piece of plywood on the inside - side of the spokes and tapped them down slowly to move the spokes away from the hubs, instead of the other way around. I found this to work better, and it didnt hurt the spokes or the tennons. I dont know if you could do this successfully with newer, slightly tighter wheels.
I them removed the outer hub plates from all four wheels. I wanted to clean and inspect them, remove the races and paint them anyway. I removed the hubs by tapping on the ends of the hub with a hammer, for the rear wheels. I supported the wheel by hanging it over the edge of a bench.
I also placed a piece of plywood on the inside - side of the spokes and tapped them down slowly to move the spokes away from the hubs, instead of the other way around. I found this to work better, and it didnt hurt the spokes or the tennons. I dont know if you could do this successfully with newer, slightly tighter wheels.
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After I removed the hubs, I began experimenting with sanding the spokes. I started with 60 grit sandpaper and going with the grain, resisting the temptation to wrap a piece around the spoke and go the other way. DON'T SAND AGAINST THE GRAIN. I spent probably 3 or 4 afternoons after work doing this for 3 or 4 hours. I got through the first sanding and realized that I needed to find a betrer way if I wanted to complete this before I was 60
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I decided to use a dremel tool and an 80 grit sanding flapwheel. I tried this in the garage, and soon regretted my decision. Very dusty! I should also add that its a good idea to wear ppe to protect you from the dust. After getting a mask and opening the garage door, i found that the flapwheel worked great. It quickly cut through the surface and it left a nice finish without hurting the wood. I let the flap wheel wear down and after the diameter shrunk I was able to get in by the tenons and were the Hub sits. I should add that you need to be careful of how hard you press especially when you get down toward the Hub so you don't leave a little u-shape in the spoke. I ended up doing some of this by hand anyway but the flap wheel greatly helped.
Skipping ahead a bit, after I worked on my hubs, I finish sanded my spokes by hand, paying close attention to the outer and inner ends of the spokes. I used 120 and 220 grit paper.

I decided to use a dremel tool and an 80 grit sanding flapwheel. I tried this in the garage, and soon regretted my decision. Very dusty! I should also add that its a good idea to wear ppe to protect you from the dust. After getting a mask and opening the garage door, i found that the flapwheel worked great. It quickly cut through the surface and it left a nice finish without hurting the wood. I let the flap wheel wear down and after the diameter shrunk I was able to get in by the tenons and were the Hub sits. I should add that you need to be careful of how hard you press especially when you get down toward the Hub so you don't leave a little u-shape in the spoke. I ended up doing some of this by hand anyway but the flap wheel greatly helped.
Skipping ahead a bit, after I worked on my hubs, I finish sanded my spokes by hand, paying close attention to the outer and inner ends of the spokes. I used 120 and 220 grit paper.
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Re: Refinishing a set of wheels, my experiences
Switching to my hubs, this is where I ran into my problems.
I started by masking off my races with aluminum tape and sandblasting. I was going to remove my races anyway but decided that they were still savable. Sandblasting went well and both hubs looked nice. My issue came when I removed the races. The inner race came out with a little persuasion, however, the outer race did not go so well. Due to the design of the hub and my inexperience, I struggled finding a good way to get a punch on the lip of the race. I tried some heat, and that didn't work either. I also got the idea of hooking a puller to the race lip and bracing the inner hole with strips of aluminum. Once I finally got the puller to seat, It almost worked. The race began to pull out a little. Then, one side got a little crooked and it ended up cracking the threads. Rats!
I learned later that it was a bad idea to use heat and pullers on the outer race. I had to source a new hub, and do the process over again
I started by masking off my races with aluminum tape and sandblasting. I was going to remove my races anyway but decided that they were still savable. Sandblasting went well and both hubs looked nice. My issue came when I removed the races. The inner race came out with a little persuasion, however, the outer race did not go so well. Due to the design of the hub and my inexperience, I struggled finding a good way to get a punch on the lip of the race. I tried some heat, and that didn't work either. I also got the idea of hooking a puller to the race lip and bracing the inner hole with strips of aluminum. Once I finally got the puller to seat, It almost worked. The race began to pull out a little. Then, one side got a little crooked and it ended up cracking the threads. Rats!
I learned later that it was a bad idea to use heat and pullers on the outer race. I had to source a new hub, and do the process over again
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Once I got the old inner race out of my new hub, I had a coworker weld a bead onto the outside race. Once enough weld was built up, we quenched it in water, and I was able to tap it out with a punch using the weld bead as a lip. I was happy, I sandblasted it and prepped it for the new races. I had to add a strawberry patrern to the race surface to rough it up enough to grab the new race. The inner part went well and I was starting the outer when I realized that the metal was really thin and I was blowing out the surface with the punch! Rats again! I had to source yet another hub, and do it all over again. This time, it went better and I finally got a useable hub. Phew, I guess 3rd time is the charm.
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Once all of the hubs had new races, I could focus on my rims again. I decided I wanted to sandblast the fellows, without removing the spokes. I took masking tape and covered all of the surface before I sandblasted one wheel, it turned out better than I thought, so I repeated the process with the other 3 wheels. I should note that I finish sanded my wheels with 220 after this.
Once they were blasted, I removed all of the tape and labled the wheels. I then replaced the tape with new to prep for painting. I didnt want any of the sanding dust in the new paint. I primed the fellows with rustoleum self etching gray rattle can primer. It seemed to do alright. I also primed my hubs. I painted the hubs and fellows with rustoleum gloss black farm implement enamel with krylon catalyst hardner. I mixed it approximately 8 to 1, more or less.
Once they were blasted, I removed all of the tape and labled the wheels. I then replaced the tape with new to prep for painting. I didnt want any of the sanding dust in the new paint. I primed the fellows with rustoleum self etching gray rattle can primer. It seemed to do alright. I also primed my hubs. I painted the hubs and fellows with rustoleum gloss black farm implement enamel with krylon catalyst hardner. I mixed it approximately 8 to 1, more or less.
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Re: Refinishing a set of wheels, my experiences
Great post Austin. These kinds of info posts really help the hobby. Thanks!
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Re: Refinishing a set of wheels, my experiences
Personally, I dislike natural wheels. They were not offered by Ford until 1925. I have a car that had natural wheels when I bought it, and because they were not maintained, a lot of small cracks appeared, which has not affected the integrity of the wood.
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I did two of mine completely by hand. I found that 40 hrs. per wheel will just about do it. I have two to go, but since the move to Florida, I don't have anything that I can really call a workshop. I am going to replace one old overly-wide cabinet in the garage. Maybe I'll use it outside and we will see what happens. It appears that a previous owner changed the wheels from black to natural (my T is a '27, so natural wheels are correct), but whoever did it did a horrible job.
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Thank you! I figure it will help with others to take the plunge in refinishing their wheels.
Nothing wrong with that. I like the look of the wheels, and have found that it is a good conversation starter when someone asks, are those really wooden wheels?Original Smith wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:12 pmPersonally, I dislike natural wheels. They were not offered by Ford until 1925. I have a car that had natural wheels when I bought it, and because they were not maintained, a lot of small cracks appeared, which has not affected the integrity of the wood.
It's certainly a LOT of sanding! But it's worth it when I saw the finished product. Good luck with your wheels!John Codman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 1:00 pmI did two of mine completely by hand. I found that 40 hrs. per wheel will just about do it. I have two to go, but since the move to Florida, I don't have anything that I can really call a workshop. I am going to replace one old overly-wide cabinet in the garage. Maybe I'll use it outside and we will see what happens. It appears that a previous owner changed the wheels from black to natural (my T is a '27, so natural wheels are correct), but whoever did it did a horrible job.
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I painted my rims twice, with just a brush, and they turned out pretty well. After the paint dried, I started working on the staining. I decided to use watco teak oil and rustoleum/varathane varnish to protect them from the UV. I brushed on 3 coats of the teak oil with a bristle brush, being careful to avoid bubbles. I let them dry between coats for about a day. Before I started on the clear coat, I let the wheels dry for about 3 days. This cures the teak oil.
I brushed a total of 3 coats on the spokes of the clear polyurethane.
At this point visually, all 4 wheels were done, however I didnt feel comfortable with the left front wheel. I had noticed when I first took the wheels off that 2 tennons on the front wheel were starting to deteriorate. I was hoping the paint and stain would help rejuvenate the wood and harden it up to a useable spoke. For a week or two I was trying to lie to myself that it would be okay. I almost kept it the way it was but I just kept thinking about it and I decided that it was best to just replace those two spokes. They were a little bit loose and shrunk in the fellows so I would have had to do something anyway but I feel better that I decided to replace them. I was worried that two different spokes might make the wheel out of round or make it crooked or wobbly. I first tried to find a couple of good used original Spokes in some of my grandpa's old stuff. I found one that cleaned up quite nicely but the tapered end was cut on an angle and sat crooked. I was hoping that the old spokes would help blend in and not be noticeable, because I was trying to go for a medium finish without completely taking out 100% of the imperfections in the wheel. I worked on the two spokes for a week or two before I decided I better just buy a couple new ones. I'm glad I did I feel a lot better about it in hindsight.
I brushed a total of 3 coats on the spokes of the clear polyurethane.
At this point visually, all 4 wheels were done, however I didnt feel comfortable with the left front wheel. I had noticed when I first took the wheels off that 2 tennons on the front wheel were starting to deteriorate. I was hoping the paint and stain would help rejuvenate the wood and harden it up to a useable spoke. For a week or two I was trying to lie to myself that it would be okay. I almost kept it the way it was but I just kept thinking about it and I decided that it was best to just replace those two spokes. They were a little bit loose and shrunk in the fellows so I would have had to do something anyway but I feel better that I decided to replace them. I was worried that two different spokes might make the wheel out of round or make it crooked or wobbly. I first tried to find a couple of good used original Spokes in some of my grandpa's old stuff. I found one that cleaned up quite nicely but the tapered end was cut on an angle and sat crooked. I was hoping that the old spokes would help blend in and not be noticeable, because I was trying to go for a medium finish without completely taking out 100% of the imperfections in the wheel. I worked on the two spokes for a week or two before I decided I better just buy a couple new ones. I'm glad I did I feel a lot better about it in hindsight.
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This is a controversial subject for some. Others don't care. As Larry says, for cars before 1925 so-called "natural" wheels are a modern fad. I'm less of an originalist than Larry, but I'm with him on this. Before 1925, Model T wheels should be painted body color. Even on 26-27 Fords, I believe natural wheels appeared mostly in advertising. In period photos from the real world, Ford wheels are mostly painted. Is this as important as which oil is best, or whether you should use an air filter? Maybe not. 

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To each their own.Steve Jelf wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 1:47 pmThis is a controversial subject for some. Others don't care. As Larry says, for cars before 1925 so-called "natural" wheels are a modern fad. I'm less of an originalist than Larry, but I'm with him on this. Before 1925, Model T wheels should be painted body color. Even on 26-27 Fords, I believe natural wheels appeared mostly in advertising. In period photos from the real world, Ford wheels are mostly painted. Is this as important as which oil is best, or whether you should use an air filter? Maybe not.![]()

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Once I got my new spokes I sanded them and varnished them with the teak oil and clearcoat. I drilled the holes for the hub bolts and installed the hubs. I am happy with how the wheels turned out and unless you look close the two new spokes look pretty much like the old spokes. I should add that I decided to buy another can of teak oil mixed with stain to help blend in the new spokes with the old. It worked out relatively well. Around the time I was waiting for all of the finishing to dry I cleaned the outside of my demountable rims and brushed two coats of aluminum infused paint on the rims. They turned out well and look pretty nice in my opinion. I cleaned off a little bit of the paint that got on the tires with a dab of brake cleaner. I also added discs on the rear wheels in replacement of the drum because I am adding disc brakes on my car. I torqued all of the Hub bolts to roughly 45 lb. I mounted my tires on the wheels and did a couple of small things like experimenting with polishing a few of my hubcaps and called it good at that.
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Aside from a few smaller things, my wheels are done and ready to roll.
I enjoyed the process and found it challenging and a good learning experience and I learned a lot. I encourage anyone else who is not trying to build a professional restored car to give it a go. I was quite intimidated by the idea at first especially when I took out the hubs, but I feel better about doing it again. I have mounted both of my front wheels and installed new bearings they are whisper quiet and roll as straight as a Model T wheel can roll. With with all of my supplies, teak oil, polyurethane, brushes, paint, hardener, and paint prep I had a little over $100 invested in my wheels. If I would have had to buy new hubs that would have up-ed the price but I was fortunate enough to acquire a few used hubs. It took more time than anything but hopefully now they will be good for another 30 years. I have yet to drive a foot with the new wheels and it will be interesting to see how they age, I won't promise anyone that this is a tried and true way of doing it but at least it gives you some ideas if you decide to do it for yourself.
Thanks for reading! And good luck with your Model T projects.
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Thanks for reading! And good luck with your Model T projects.
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For those who may not like the varnished wheels, don't worry my next wheels will be painted classic model T black!

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Be sure to check them regularly to see if they wobble. They should be tight enough that you need a press to get the spoke and hub in place. See other posts to see how it is done. Norm
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Your wheels look very nice. You will know as soon as you drive on them if they are OK or not. If they make noise, then you have some other problems to solve. But it sounds like you got them off to the best possible start. I hope you tour happily with them for many miles!
As far as natural finish wheels, I am in the group that doesn't like them.
HOWEVER, this being said, I ALSO am doing a set of natural wood wheels, for my 1910 Brush Gentleman's Roadster. It is a car that has a wooden frame, wooden wheels, wooden axles, wooden hood shelves, and a wooden body. Because so much of it is wood, I wanted to accent that feature of the car, and thus the wooden natural finish wheels. It is part of the ethos of the car, even though Brush never sold a car with natural finish wooden wheels. (They also had a joke slogan applied to them: "wooden wheels, wooden axles, wooden chassis, wouldn't run!"
As far as I know, natural finish wooden wheels became a fad in the 1970's. At least, that was when I was starting to pay attention to antique cars in general, and Model T's in particular, and that was when natural finished wooden spoked wheels started showing up at car shows. In Milwaukee, a car dealer named Wally Rank, had a HUGE car collection, and once a year, he cleared out all his dealerships, and EVERY car club in Wisconsin and Illinois was invited to bring their cars to show them. It was held at several large locales, and there must have been a thousand cars at least, at some of the shows. Mostly it was all pre-war vehicles. This was in the 1960's, and showing a 1957 Chevy would have gotten you laughed off the lot. (Although I DO recall some Corvettes being displayed.)
As I was just getting interested in old cars, I became acquainted with people that HAD some, and I heard a lot of stories about how they acquired their cars. These were guys who actually traded V-16 Cadillacs, and Bugattis, for other cars, including Duesenbergs, when at the time, the biggest primary concern was whether the tires were any good. He related buying and selling these cars for $200 to $500 and even doing simple swaps just to try out a different old car. (If it had a good set of tires on it! If the tires were bad, and new ones could not be found, no one wanted the car anyway, regardless of what it was!) In the 70's he had stopped trading, and wound up with a couple of V-16 Cadillacs, a Cord, a couple Packards, and a Kissel. By then prices were starting to climb quickly, although it would still be a few years before they became trending towards what they are now for high end cars. In the 1950's, he turned down Bugattis, because "there might be something wrong with them, you couldn't get parts, and they were an orphan make with no support at all. Plus they took European size tires, which NO ONE in the U.S. stocked at that time!".
Anywho, as I started to obtain cars, I also would obtain the owner's manuals, and the parts books for them. Studebaker, Franklin, Reo, and Overland all state EXPLICITLY in their parts ordering section of their books, THAT REPLACEMENT WHEELS WERE AVAILABLE IN PLAIN LEAD FINISH ONLY, unless the customer wanted a specific current color applied, which would result in a time delay, and an additional charge. Most of them recommended that the owner order the wheels in the plain lead finish, and have paint colors applied locally, for the fastest service.
I have yet to see ANY early car parts catalog the has natural finish wood wheels listed in it as being available.
I KNOW that no Brushes ever were sold with natural finish wood wheels. They would have had to have been re-varnished twice a year to keep them looking decent. But my Brush will only be on the road a few times a year, and will be out of the weather (and the sun) the rest of the time. I expect my natural wooden wheels will require extra effort to keep them up, but I accept that as part of the deal of showing off the "woodiness" of the car. I honestly expect that the life of my wooden wheels will probably be half the life they would give if they were primed, painted, and sealed, and I am OK with that.
You did pretty good, to get 4 solid wooden wheels done, and ready to roll for about $100 total! Elbow grease DOES pay off!
As far as natural finish wheels, I am in the group that doesn't like them.
HOWEVER, this being said, I ALSO am doing a set of natural wood wheels, for my 1910 Brush Gentleman's Roadster. It is a car that has a wooden frame, wooden wheels, wooden axles, wooden hood shelves, and a wooden body. Because so much of it is wood, I wanted to accent that feature of the car, and thus the wooden natural finish wheels. It is part of the ethos of the car, even though Brush never sold a car with natural finish wooden wheels. (They also had a joke slogan applied to them: "wooden wheels, wooden axles, wooden chassis, wouldn't run!"
As far as I know, natural finish wooden wheels became a fad in the 1970's. At least, that was when I was starting to pay attention to antique cars in general, and Model T's in particular, and that was when natural finished wooden spoked wheels started showing up at car shows. In Milwaukee, a car dealer named Wally Rank, had a HUGE car collection, and once a year, he cleared out all his dealerships, and EVERY car club in Wisconsin and Illinois was invited to bring their cars to show them. It was held at several large locales, and there must have been a thousand cars at least, at some of the shows. Mostly it was all pre-war vehicles. This was in the 1960's, and showing a 1957 Chevy would have gotten you laughed off the lot. (Although I DO recall some Corvettes being displayed.)
As I was just getting interested in old cars, I became acquainted with people that HAD some, and I heard a lot of stories about how they acquired their cars. These were guys who actually traded V-16 Cadillacs, and Bugattis, for other cars, including Duesenbergs, when at the time, the biggest primary concern was whether the tires were any good. He related buying and selling these cars for $200 to $500 and even doing simple swaps just to try out a different old car. (If it had a good set of tires on it! If the tires were bad, and new ones could not be found, no one wanted the car anyway, regardless of what it was!) In the 70's he had stopped trading, and wound up with a couple of V-16 Cadillacs, a Cord, a couple Packards, and a Kissel. By then prices were starting to climb quickly, although it would still be a few years before they became trending towards what they are now for high end cars. In the 1950's, he turned down Bugattis, because "there might be something wrong with them, you couldn't get parts, and they were an orphan make with no support at all. Plus they took European size tires, which NO ONE in the U.S. stocked at that time!".
Anywho, as I started to obtain cars, I also would obtain the owner's manuals, and the parts books for them. Studebaker, Franklin, Reo, and Overland all state EXPLICITLY in their parts ordering section of their books, THAT REPLACEMENT WHEELS WERE AVAILABLE IN PLAIN LEAD FINISH ONLY, unless the customer wanted a specific current color applied, which would result in a time delay, and an additional charge. Most of them recommended that the owner order the wheels in the plain lead finish, and have paint colors applied locally, for the fastest service.
I have yet to see ANY early car parts catalog the has natural finish wood wheels listed in it as being available.
I KNOW that no Brushes ever were sold with natural finish wood wheels. They would have had to have been re-varnished twice a year to keep them looking decent. But my Brush will only be on the road a few times a year, and will be out of the weather (and the sun) the rest of the time. I expect my natural wooden wheels will require extra effort to keep them up, but I accept that as part of the deal of showing off the "woodiness" of the car. I honestly expect that the life of my wooden wheels will probably be half the life they would give if they were primed, painted, and sealed, and I am OK with that.
You did pretty good, to get 4 solid wooden wheels done, and ready to roll for about $100 total! Elbow grease DOES pay off!
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About 3 years ago I had new wood put into my wheels by Stutzman’s. The wood was just so pretty, so I decided to stain and finish them with 7 coats of marine spar varnish. I know they should be black for originality, but I liked the natural look and reasoned that people have personalized their Model T’s since they began building them, so I would too.
I have to say that the most comments I get about the car are about the wheels, by far. One person asked me how I was able to get the wheels to look so much like wood !
I have to say that the most comments I get about the car are about the wheels, by far. One person asked me how I was able to get the wheels to look so much like wood !
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Re: Refinishing a set of wheels, my experiences
Austin, the strawberry fit with the punch in your second hub expanding the hub may well have been a blessing in disguise. If a strawberry fit is required to make a cup firm in the hub, the hub is already worn/stressed. You have the best solution now.
For others, when I worked on the first set of wheels for my roadster buckboard way back in the late 1980's, rather than sand the spokes I hand scraped them. My scrapers were pieces of household window glass cut into 1" x 6" strips. There is nothing like the edge of a piece of glass for this task. The bonus is you get four edges on each piece. When one dulls off, use another and then discard the strip when all four are dulled. With the old paint gone, sanding, with the grain, is not such a time consuming task. I did all four wheels in a week, after spending most of the day out fishing on holidays. Scraping wheels reduced my beverage consumption!
Nowdays my scraper of choice is a piece of 14" power hacksaw blade, with the teeth ground off, and a scraping edge ground along both side of one end.
As hard as the blade is, the edge remains sharp foe quite a while, but it is a piece of cake to refresh it on the grinder. It is ideal to get right into the hub junction of the spokes and to draw away from the grain on the taper at he hub end.
Allan from down under.
For others, when I worked on the first set of wheels for my roadster buckboard way back in the late 1980's, rather than sand the spokes I hand scraped them. My scrapers were pieces of household window glass cut into 1" x 6" strips. There is nothing like the edge of a piece of glass for this task. The bonus is you get four edges on each piece. When one dulls off, use another and then discard the strip when all four are dulled. With the old paint gone, sanding, with the grain, is not such a time consuming task. I did all four wheels in a week, after spending most of the day out fishing on holidays. Scraping wheels reduced my beverage consumption!
Nowdays my scraper of choice is a piece of 14" power hacksaw blade, with the teeth ground off, and a scraping edge ground along both side of one end.
As hard as the blade is, the edge remains sharp foe quite a while, but it is a piece of cake to refresh it on the grinder. It is ideal to get right into the hub junction of the spokes and to draw away from the grain on the taper at he hub end.
Allan from down under.