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Axle question

Post by RGould1910 » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:10 pm

I need to have a Model t axle ground the entire length to use in a Perfecto 2 speed axle. Ford axles are ground only in the the places where the roller bearings ride. Perfecto requires one axle be ground the entire length to 1.062" Where can I get this done?

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Re: Axle question

Post by RajoRacer » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:23 pm

Can you not utilize a new axle - they're smooth the entire length, I'm pretty sure ? Now I have to run out to the shop to check my new ones !


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Re: Axle question

Post by Kevin Pharis » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:43 pm

Hey Richard, Chrome Craft out in South Sac should be able to handle this...


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Re: Axle question

Post by Kevin Pharis » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:44 pm

RajoRacer wrote:
Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:23 pm
Can you not utilize a new axle - they're smooth the entire length, I'm pretty sure ? Now I have to run out to the shop to check my new ones !
The drive lines are made from 1.000” ground rod, pretty sure the axles are lathe turned except for the ends


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Re: Axle question

Post by RGould1910 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 10:20 am

I spoke with Chaffins and the new axles made by Snyders are a few thou smaller between the ends. Since they need to be ground as well, the y would be too thin for my application.


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Re: Axle question

Post by RGould1910 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 10:23 am

I was fortunate to obtain two older repro axles that are not machined at all in the middle and can be turned and ground to spec.
Thanks for the input. I'll check into Chrome Craft


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Re: Axle question

Post by RGould1910 » Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:26 pm

Chrome Craft quoted me a price of $847 to grind two axles. Phooey!!


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Re: Axle question

Post by RGould1910 » Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:33 pm

I found a crank grinder who I used in the past to do the axle work. For what Chrome Craft was asking, I would have turned them a bit oversize on my lathe and filed and sanded with successive finer grit to size.


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Re: Axle question

Post by Ned L » Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:20 pm

1.062" +/- what? I should think decent lathe work would be fine. Yes, grinding the whole length will be $$$$$ You should be able to hit +/-.001 or 2 on a lathe.

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Re: Axle question

Post by RajoRacer » Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:29 pm

Richard - why the tight tolerance ?

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Re: Axle question

Post by JTT3 » Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:40 pm

I would agree with Ned if you have the table size to do it plus a steady rest.


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Re: Axle question

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:44 pm

RajoRacer wrote:
Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:29 pm
Richard - why the tight tolerance ?
My question too.


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Re: Axle question

Post by SteveD » Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:29 pm

Google O.D. grinder, or possibly centerless grinder
What state are you in?


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Re: Axle question

Post by RGould1910 » Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:42 pm

Responding to the why question. Perfecto axle has an inner roller bearing just outside of the shifting fork. The axle needs to be ground in that area to 1.062-3.
Also the sliding clutch rides on the axle with a close tolerance, about 5 thou. The axle must be small enuf the entire length to permit installation of the sliding clutch. Actually only the area from the inner bearing surface to the axle gear needs to be ground as that's the area the bearing rides and clutch travels. . The outer length between the two bearing surfaces only needs to turned small enuf to allow installation of the clutch.


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Re: Axle question

Post by RGould1910 » Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:47 pm

Perfectos were originally sold with one axle ground the entire length. I have an original. It's stamped with the name Hall Scott in the keyway.


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Re: Axle question

Post by pete eastwood » Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:50 pm

Richard ,
why not press the gear off , install the parts & press the gear back on ?
Then you wouldn't need to machine the whole axle .


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Re: Axle question

Post by RGould1910 » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:06 pm

Certainly could do that, Pete. Its not much trouble to turn it down between the bearing surfaces on a lathe, though. Tolerances there are not critical since the axle needs to be small enuf only to allow the clutch to be installed.


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Re: Axle question

Post by RGould1910 » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:10 pm

Axle keyway.
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Re: Axle question

Post by RajoRacer » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:26 pm

Thanks for the explanation Richard ! I now understand why the kit contained it's own axle shaft.

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